- 10-16-2013, 10:05 AM #1
Personally I dont care about the TV stuff, I am from the UK and live in NL so the TV stuff will come here very late as MS are pretty crap at getting things into the EU and I watch my movies etc from my PC plugged into my TV.
All I care about is the gaming side of it but I cant find many good comparisons on that.
EDIT: I did another more recent search, seems PS4 really is better for games, I guess my issue is being so used to Xbox controller these days that i wonder how much different it will feel if I get a PS4
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- 10-16-2013, 10:32 AM #2
Cool, I'm from NL but live in the UK :) I'm not particularly interested in TV stuff either, and by the looks of it we will not get it for a while anyway...
These are my personal reasons for choosing the xbone over the PS4, some points will answer your question while other points will not:
- I have an xbox 360 already;
- Me, my mrs and the kids all have Windows phones;
- Xbox controllers are just perfect (I'm excited about the new one actually);
- Xbox music (best selection of music available in my opinion);
- The thing runs 3 operating systems!;
- Kinect (I believe that now this is more integrated, it will improve gaming experience);
- Multitasking by snapping windows to either side of the screen;
- I love the look and feel of the metro design on the xbox, windows and windows phone;
- Cloud gaming - I believe this to be the strongest selling point for the xbone. They have implemented this to future-proof the xbone. In the future we can see games that run solely in the cloud, meaning the hardware of the xbone does not make a difference for the performance. This enables game developers to publish games not normally available due to hardware limitations. This also means the xbone would outlast the PS4 and perhaps outperform it. This is all speculation from my side, but this is how I understand it;
The negative points of the PS4:
- You have to buy a stand (I got this from an article, so it might be wrong) separately???;
- It can only stand up vertically (again from an article)??;
- The PS Eye has to be purchased separately, meaning developers won't bother with it much and as such it is not as good as the kinect;
- I'm not really into indie games, which seems to be the main selling point of the PS4;
- The controllers are absolutely shocking (no pun intended lol).
All of the above is of course my personal opinion and some of it might be wrong, so I do apologise in advance for that.
10-16-2013, 10:37 AM #3
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In my opinion they are fairly similar. Some will say the PS4 is better for games. I think that is completely false. I definitely don't believe that to be true for me. Here's some of the reasons i'm getting an Xbox One. I love the xbox controller it just feels right so I imagine the Xbox one controller to be better. I am excited for the games that are going to be released for the xbox one: Project Spark, Titanfall, Dead Rising 3, I'm gaining more interest in Ryse. Also I think the Zoo Tycoon game looks like a lot of fun if they get the controls right. Also I have always found that Xbox Live has been better for online play than PSN and I imagine Microsoft will continue that trend with the next generation. They did say they are adding 300,000 servers so that's a good point for xbox live. Another factor might be where your friends will be playing online.
So in my opinion it comes down to what controller you like, the games you would like to play, and the online experience and the overall experience of the console. These are in no specific order according to priority. But that's what it comes down for me. I hope this helps you decide. Either way I think they are both great consoles it just comes down to your personal preference. Good luck with your decision!
- 10-16-2013, 03:17 PM #4
With regard to indi games... MS has been making some changes and has made it easier/cheaper for indie companies to produce games on the One... In fact, every retail One can be used as a dev device... I've heard actual dev units, both from Sony and MS, are more expensive than the retail counterparts, so this may be a big deal for a dev.
More comfortable controller (opinion)
Independent vibration of the triggers on the controller
Kinect Included (Although some don't like that it is included)
Kinect features (heart rate monitoring, gamer tag switching, voice control)
TV functionality (which you stated you don’t care for)
Exclusive games (debatable)
Every retail One can be used as a developer kit
touch pad on controller (not an LCD display as some are claiming)
eye toy is sold separately (some say this is an advantage)
Graphics GPU (although the end results will more than likely be negligible, will have to wait and see… see PS3 vs. 360)
Exclusive games (debatable)
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- 10-16-2013, 04:03 PM #5
As an owner of a 360 and a PS3, I would say the PS3 has some better games in some way.... Take a look at Uncharted (1,2 or 3), The Last of Us, Beyond: Two Souls for example, there is nothing like those games on the 360 and they are all MIND blowing games, just epic stories and they really feel like your playing a movie. The reviews on these games support that. With that being said, I still like my xbox 360 more than the PS3... and I think it will be the same for the Xbox One and PS4...
I pre-ordered a XBone, but, the moment Naugy Dog releases a title for the PS4....I will be buying one. If you can afford it, I would suggest to by them both, so you can get he best of both worlds..
- 10-16-2013, 04:10 PM #6
That's how YOU feel, though. I don't really gravitate to those kinds of games. I like shooters, and nothing Sony offers on that front can touch Gears of War, and Gears of War can't touch Halo, in my book. I also like Forza over Gran Turismo, whose fourth installment was terribly boring (in my opinion). Sony offers a wider variety of quality exclusives, I'd agree, but their bread-and-butter stuff like you mentioned is secondary to what I like with games.
- 10-16-2013, 04:23 PM #7
I agree with you there but, different gamers prefer different games. I like games with the a very deep story that really drags you into the game to feel like your the person your playing. As a long time gamer I really like games like that and there are some key titles that the PS3 does better than any 360 game. With that being said besides the common AAA games, the exclusives are what I discussed. This is not just my feeling, read the reviews of the games I said, the reviewer say the same things about them.
On the other side of it, I love Gears of War, like halo and love the Forza series. No question better than the PS3 options for those types of games but, there are some great exclusive games for the PS3 for shooters that are also really good. As the common shooters are on all systems and I play more COD/BF more than any other game, so I hear ya...
Personally to me, it's all about the games, I wont buy a system because it has fancy TV features or all this other bells and whistles, I am in it for the games anyway about it...Both systems are almost equal in their specs (PS4 a little higher but, questionable if it will make a noticable difference), The games are what are the difference and they both have their titles.
Buy the system you prefer more, they both have their advantages but only each person can deside that one...
I still like my 360 more and use it a LOT more than the PS3 but, As this is a Microsoft site, I wanted to allow a fair thought for the requestor, because he could be missing some great titles by picking the system that we just prefer on this site...
- 10-17-2013, 01:19 AM #8
I would go for whatever has the exclusives that work for you. Both platforms have great exclusives and this is just a matter of preferance and not some ultimate truth. Multiplatforms are the same and they will be optimized for X1 just fine. PS4 has more power than X1, PS3 also had more power than 360 but in the long run was that a huge problem? Personally I see X1 more future proof by being built around/for the cloud from the scratch, even if there won't be huge implementations at the start.
Personally I'm quite invested in Microsofts ecosystem, and I'm interested in Kinect and TV stuff too, so it's quite a nobrainer for me, especially when the PS exclusives don't really move me as much as the Xbox ones either.
Price is also a legit concern, since you arnt so interested in the extras of Xbox one, you might want to pay 50-100e less (depending where) for the PS. But only the superior controller is worth the extra money for me lol.
- 10-17-2013, 03:06 AM #9
This is about the best comparison I have seen, I guess as it seems honest the fact the PS4 is a bit more powerful is the concern:
I have an xbox 360 already
Me, my mrs and the kids all have Windows phones;
Xbox controllers are just perfect (I'm excited about the new one actually);
I am all of the above although single :)
Xbox music (best selection of music available in my opinion);
I agree its nice although personally makes no difference on the Xbox for me as I run things through PC and Amp
The thing runs 3 operating systems!;
Bit confused by this?
Kinect (I believe that now this is more integrated, it will improve gaming experience);
Agree although my place in Amsterdam is facing the canal in the centre so I need curtains ;)
Multitasking by snapping windows to either side of the screen;
Doesnt affect me really as Ill just be using it for games.
I love the look and feel of the metro design on the xbox, windows and windows phone;
Again i agree but again not sure how much it will affect me once I am in a game
The negative points of the PS4:
The PS Eye has to be purchased separately, meaning developers won't bother with it much and as such it is not as good as the kinect;
Definitely agreed, I think its a good reason to pay more and integrate it, devs know everyone has one so take advantage of it.
[I]I'm not really into indie games, which seems to be the main selling point of the PS4;
Same, i dont tend to play games that much anymore so Ill just buy top ones 1-2 times a year.
The controllers are absolutely shocking (no pun intended lol).
Probably the big reason I think Ill go XB1.
I guess the whole twice as powerful PS4 is a bit of a concern although i think its only going to show in the exclusives.
- 10-17-2013, 03:13 AM #10
It is not twice as powerful, "40-50% more GPU computing" does not mean the whole system was "twice as powerful" as that would mean it was 100% more, not 50% and even then GPU performance is only one piece of the puzzle. While PS4 will likely run at a bit higher average FPS, multiplatforms will be optimized primarly for lowest denominator anyways. PS4 exclusives will likely look better though, just like PS3 exclusives look a bit better than Xbox exclusives atm. Then there's the whole GDDR5 thing, but it makes me wonder why not a single kickass super gaming rig PC goes for GDDR5. I'm sure there are benefits to it too, but I don't think this makes or breaks anything in the end.
The three operating systems isn't really something I consider as a huge advantage, but what he means is that there's basically 3 operating systems in the background of X1. The one that runs games, the one that runs the Windows 8-esque part of it and the third that tie the two together to a seamless experience.
- 10-17-2013, 06:43 AM #12
I do like story type games over shooters but I was actually a bit disappointed with Uncharted 2 and found it a bit too linear, I think ill end up going XB1 in the end as I have Win8, getting a Win8 tablet, have a WP8..... god I sound like an MS fanboy ;)
money isnt really an issue although considering I play 1-2 games a year buying both could be a bit excessive!
10-17-2013, 10:50 AM #13
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I've never owned a PS3, but my buddy let me borrow his for a few weeks to play The Last of Us. While it was a good game i got bored with it pretty quick. I wasn't a fan of the combat system. The voice acting was really the only thing that kept me playing. I didn't beat the game, but that is more because i like gaming on my PC so much more right now. GTA V has pulled me back to my 360 for a few hours every now and then but still the majority of my gaming is still done on my PC. I will get the XBOne eventually, but probably not until there is a game i REALLY want, probably halo 5. And if there is a limited edition console ill probably get that.
10-18-2013, 11:33 AM #14
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There has been only one game - story wise - to pull me into it where I got lost in the lore, the story, and the grandeur. That game was the Mass Effect trilogy (which began on the XBOX 360). At the end of the 3rd game, I agonized for about 20 minutes (I'm serious) over which way decision to make. NO game has ever had that pull on me. The only other game to come close to the 'emotional' attachment I felt with Mass Effect was The Walking Dead episodic game.
Uncharted 1,2, and 3 were awesome. Heavy Rain was 'ok,' and The Last of Us was pretty good too. There is only one problem. Once I beat those game and knew the story - nothing has compelled me (so far) to play them again. Yes, they are epic games to play and everyone should play them at some point. But, after they're done, they're done (my opinion of course). Yet, games like Halo and Gears of War will drag me back in every once in awhile because of their multiplayer and social aspect.
The epic story games are great, but for me. Once they're done I'm done with them. Games haven't transcended 'movies' or 'good books' for me yet. I want to watch good movies again and read a book a 2nd or 3rd time. But, for many games I haven't gotten to that point yet...
But, I love the TV features and potential of the XBOX One, and like the kinect possibilities.Pastor of All Saints Lutheran Church in Mason, MI
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- 10-18-2013, 01:07 PM #15
See, I'm in a different boat. I don't watch movies much because I am terrible at sitting there in silence for 2-3 hours. I'm about to make an exception by watching the 6 Babylon 5 movies, as I am about to finish up the TV series. I'm also not one to go back and replay a campaign OR watch a movie, because the surprise is gone. I'll rewatch sitcoms, and I rewatched Doctor Who and parts of Stargate SG-1, but it's really only comedies that I can be thoroughly entertained by multiple times. The only way I replay a video game's campaign if it's co-op to help someone. It's why I HATE how Gears of War makes you beat the campaign once before unlocking the Insane difficulty, because I never go back and re-beat it (the exception being the first one, which I was able to convince myself to do).
10-18-2013, 09:57 PM #16
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A lot of people claim the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One based on hardware alone. They don't consider the software side of things though. The games don't talk directly to hardware. They talk to APIs which talk to the OS which talk to drivers which talk to the hardware. That's quite a few layers and translations that can result in major performance loses if not done properly. MS has a whole lot of experience designing, coding, and optimizing all of these software layers (especially on PC based hardware). I suspect that advantage outweighs the relatively minor differences in hardware.
Also, the APIs and software development tools used by programmers to write their games is an important factor. MS is second to none when it comes to quality development tools and consistent/efficient APIs. Down the road, I expect to hear developers saying that writing optimized games is much more efficient for the Xbox One platform compared to the PS4 platform. Only time will tell, but that is my prediction based on my own experience as a programmer working in both MS and non-MS environments.
- 10-21-2013, 03:08 PM #17
IDK about the driver thing and MS being better than Sony at that sort of thing... I did read somewhere that the new "optimized" drivers for the One had lower performance than the previous drivers... Granted, that was weeks, if not a month or 2 ago so all could be fixed by now or before launch.
10-21-2013, 03:34 PM #18
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Ur on a Windows Phone forum asking which is better ps4 or the Xbox 1. Of course 90% of people on here are gonna say Xbox1 is better.
In my opinion u should never be invested too much into 1 eco system. Say a year down the line you don't like a Microsoft product and want to buy a rival be it apple, android or whatever. But u are so far invested into Microsoft its becomes to expensive to get another device.
- 10-22-2013, 04:14 AM #22
10-22-2013, 08:20 AM #24
- 26 Posts
- most of the anti-game stuff you read about the Xbox One, simply is not true; the gaming media has been extremely neglect at separating rumors from news, and it makes it real hard for the readers to separate fact from fiction, as many media outlets, even some very reputable sources, have resorted to frequently reporting rumors as news - shame on them
- according to the Wall Street Journal (from way back in May), Microsoft has allocated over $1 billion explicitly for the development of 1st and 2nd party exclusive games for Xbox One; putting that $1 billion into perspective, that is more money than Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo combined, have spent for the development of exclusive games this gen (Xbox 360, PS3, Wii). So read into that fact, what you will.
- there is a lot of lip service online about how the exclusive games on Xbox One suck . . . but I have counted no less than half a dozen petition by soon-to-be PS4 owners, begging developers to bring their Xbox One exclusives to the PS4: I have seen petitions for games ranging from Dead Rising 3 and Sunset Overdrive, to Quantum Break, Titanfall, and Ryse. And all I can say, is that if the Xbox One exclusive games suck so terribly bad, and if the Xbox One is such a **** system for games (all things the internet keeps saying over and over and over again), then why are PS4 fans constantly begging to get Xbox One exclusive games? Meanwhile, no matter how hard I looked, I cannot find a single petition, or campaign hosted by Xbox One fans, to port over PS4 exclusives - just sayin.
- Project Spark is allowing gamers to use the Kinect 2.0 as a full-blown motion capture device for making games, and machinima. I will be honest when I say this, I was on the fence about Xbox One, then I saw the demo of Team Dakota members using the Kinect for motion capture of an NPC he was putting into the game, and him explain the feature was in the game, everyone would be able to use it for in-game motion capture. I about **** myself when I saw the demo, and thought about the implications. No doubt this feature is going to show up in a lot more games from Xbox One, where the player is encouraged to create something, and share their creations with the community.
- dedicated servers on EVERY online game. nuff said.
- every Xbox One will be a self-contained development kit capable of accessing the full power of the system. There is a lot of talk about indie games these days, you just can't make the development of indie games easier, than turning the system itself into the development kit, for everyone to use. Then there is also the very real possibility of mods, being brought to Xbox One. While that bit is not yet confirmed, it has been alluded to by Microsoft executives. So it is something that is definitely in the works, behind the scenes, that hopefully will come to fruition. And the system itself being it's own development kit, is only going to make mods an all the more likely outcome.
- On the subject of Xbox One features alluded to by Microsoft execs, is the ability to resale digitally downloaded games. Once again, it has not yet been confirmed, but it was alluded to by Microsoft execs, at one of Microsoft's Q&A panels. At the very least, it means the idea is in the works. More than likely it was put on hold, along with all the other sharing features the Xbox One was supposed to have. And no doubt will be revisited again, once Microsoft finds a less controversial way to implement all of it's digital plans for the system.
- Xbox LIVE has gotten a **** load of improvements, still making it much better than PSN. Simply put, online gaming, whether competitive, or co-op, will still be king on Xbox LIVE. And the fact that over half the games at E3 this year, had full drop-in, drop-out co-op, as a feature to their single-player campaign . . . I think you see where that's going.
- better second screen experience. Just about everyone has a tablet, notebook, or smartphone, very few people have a PSVita (or even want one, for that matter). SmartGlass integration directly into games, continues to improve, and comes deeply embedded natively in the Xbox One experience. Asymmetric gameplay, was one of the big showing off points from all the major publishers at E3. Guess which system is going to natively feature the better implementation of jumping in and playing with your friends, even when you cannot be at home in front of your console. And with SmartGlass on Android and iOS, as well as Windows platforms, that pretty much mean everyone is invited to that party.
- cloud gaming; or more importantly, being able to offload game code into the cloud. right now all the naysayers will tell you this is science-fiction, that it cannot be done, but they would be lying to you, even if they themselves did not realize they were telling a lie. Microsoft's ability to offload game code into the cloud, is possibly the single biggest game changer of how games are made and played, that has been announced since talk of next-gen consoles started popping up. Developers are only just now getting their hands on this incredible, new tool set at their disposal. So it may take them a while to truly figure out what to do with it, but mark my words once they do, the system without the capability to simultaneously process code locally and remotely, is going to be at a great disadvantage. The fact that Microsoft's cloud is the Azure global network, and Microsoft has dedicated 3x the processing power of every Xbox One, for every console sold . . . seriously, this is really going to change things
- True multi-tasking; doing multiple things at the same time. Everyone claims they don't give two ****s about doing stuff that, then they go back to using their Android phone/tablet (one of Android's biggest selling points was multi-tasking). It's easy to say stuff like, "I don't care about this," or "I don't care about that." Everyone says stupid **** like that, when you don't actually have "this" or "that" to play with and make an educated judgement call about it. In May of 2005, everyone said they did not care about Achievements, yet Achievements managed to change modern gaming forever. Back in 2002, everyone claimed they did not want an internet connection on their cellphone . . . in 2013 you can laugh about the naivety of people from 2002, or the myopia of people from 2005. After all, hindsight is 20/20. I guess my point being, as much as people overlook Xbox One's multi-tasking capabilities, or attempt to downplay it, it has amazing potential to change the way we game over the next generation. We don't see it now, because we don't know what to do with it yet, but when we figure that out, expect an Xbox console to change gaming forever . . . again.
- Kinect 2.0 . . . I know, I know. Everyone loves to pile **** on the Kinect, and with good reason. The first Kinect is largely rubbish for games. But you know what, the first Kinect did show potential. If you played Dance Central, or Child of Eden, or a few other choice games from the Kinect library, you can see a lot of potential there . . . not just for casual games, but for real, honest to God, games that gamers love. Kinect 2.0 is easily x100 better than the first generation device; it's literally everything the original Kinect should have been. And having it in the hands of every developer, means a greater range of things will get done with it - and I don't mean, the flailing around your living room like a monkey in heat, kinds of things that Kinect 1.0 is so rightly associated with. I mean real nuance, and real games. And quite possibly things that simply weren't possible to dream of, previously. But let's say we forget all that stuff. Let's say we forget the fact you can use Kinect 2.0 as an in-home motion capture studio. Let's say we forget that Kinect 2.0 is so sensitive, that it can read individual fingers, or tell what mood your are, or even be used for facial capture. Let's forget all those things. And instead, let's go back to the promise of the original Kinect. Back to Milo & Kate. Peter Molyneux admitted several times that Milo was mostly smoke and mirrors - and a lot of that had to do with the limitations of first gen Kinect as well as current-gen console hardware. But those problems are solved with the combination of Kinect 2.0 and Xbox One. So go back and look at the promise of Milo & Kate . . . and then imagine the next Mass Effect game, or Elder Scrolls, or Fallout 4, or better still, the next LA Noire, or even something so simple as a game of Texas Hold'em. How good is your poker face? Imagine having the ability to naturally interact with every NPC in the game in this manner. You don't have to put down your controller, or dance like a monkey to do that. You just act naturally, and keep playing the game with the controller in hand, while sitting on your couch. But the combination of the new Xbox One and the Kinect 2.0 will finally make these types of interactions possible - not just possible, but the de facto way to interact with a lot of different types of games, especially RPGs, and other story-based games.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not trying to disparage the PS4 here, or even discourage you from getting one - I'm getting both, just like I own both Xbox 360 and PS3 this gen. Just trying to offer a bit more insight that oft times, completely goes overlooked on the web. You have no idea how many times at Gamescom, I heard seasoned video game reporters claim to have the exclusive scoop on some "new" reveal the Xbox One made at Gamescom, when in actuality the reveal had been made at E3, or even before E3, and it went completely ignored. Truth be told, for the most part, 90% of what Microsoft has said about Xbox One this year, has gone completely ignored by the gaming press . . . and if the gaming press ignores it, it's hard to believe that anyone can do much of proper research about the system . . . well, at least not until the actual system itself ships, is in the hands of millions of people, and word of mouth finally catches up with the truth. Of course that eventuality is months away. And people like yourself, who are kinda on the fence either way, have already made choices based on often inaccurate information. And when your choice costs $400/$500, you are kinda stuck with it, whether you are ultimately happy with it, or not.
In the interest of dispelling more untruths, misconceptions, and outright lies about Xbox One, here are some more resources:
Digital Foundry: the complete Xbox One architects interview. The whole story.
- 10-22-2013, 08:48 AM #25
I just recently realized an analogy that might work for the cloud computing to some point. GTA V is very impressive for a current gen game, considering how old the hardware is. Now, the question is, how did they do that? By reading from both the HDD and the disc at the same time. Sure, reading from a disc/HDD is not exactly comparable to reading from cloud at this time cos of 1) not everyone will be connected to the internet 2) bandwidths still vary where someone has 100mbit connection, someone else has 1mbit connection.
But just felt like pointing this out to what kind of potential we could be talking about. Yes, latency will also be a question whereas it really isnt when reading from HDD/disc, but there was that one video that showed that for example lighting didn't start looking weird until the 400ms latency mark when sorta "reading it from the cloud". And 400ms is very generous, seeing that any somewhat civilized place shouldnt have trouble reaching sub-200ms for anything. But then there is the question if a game developed with "cloud computing" in mind can be played offline at all. Or if it can, it at least will downscale Graphics, which IMO is a fair trade off at that point.
But really good write up TachyonicCargo, I enjoyed the fairly neutral-feeling approach of yours, even if I'm sure someone can poke holes into that too, but it didn't feel like something written by a diehard MS/Xbox fan blindly praising their own favourite :P That said, I'm sure many Xbox players would want some PS exclusives over to Xbox too, but personally I'm not really interested in any of the PS exclusives, while Xbox exclusives make me go drool, but I realize this is a mattter of preference. Someone won't care for the Xbox games while drooling over the PS ones :P
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