- 08-23-2013, 09:57 AM #1
call me shallow, call me stupid, tell me that I should've bought an iPhone, tell me that I belong to iMore. Here, I am just stating my opinion, not hating on WP8 (or WP7).
I bought my Lumia for the integration, it seemed like a "wow" killer feature for social addicts like me and I also bought mine for the offline GPS with HERE Maps but that's a different case.
So I unboxed my phone, ran the setup and everything was smooth. The first thing I did was obviously, running to my People hub to sync my Facebook and Twitter accounts. I told my sister to send a message on Facebook so I can test the messaging application with Facebook chat but I didn't get the message. weird, huh? I thought that I configured my Facebook in a wrong way so I ran to WPCentral to check for solutions for my problems and apparently everyone had it and some Windows Phone users told me to look for alternatives like ICQ and IM+. So what's the difference between my "high-end" Lumia 920 and my old E72 Symbian? I was frustrated from searching at alternatives in Symbian and now I'm looking for alternatives in Windows Phone? oh and, at least Symbian had an official application for Facebook. Not complaining but if one guy, Rudy Huyn, can make a fully-functional Instagram client in a month or two, why can't Microsoft make a fully-functional Facebook for Windows Phone in about the same time period? (I'm in poor need for notifications from the app not the Me tile.)
The frustration continues with Twitter in the people hub, you cannot favorite tweets (seriously?), it doesn't notify you about who retweeted or favorited your tweets, and there's no reply threads (you cannot see which tweet the person replied to). But we get a functional Twitter application made by Twitter, it's waaay better than the integrated one with lacks of some features such as deleting DMs and the real-time notification doesn't count, for ex. if you got 4 mentions on Twitter, it notifies you about the 4 mentions as soon as they arrive but the notification count is one. (and please, do not take the official Twitter application complaint as a complaint about Windows Phone. I know Windows Phone has nothing to do with that.)
and oh, one last thing. when will they update the Facebook logo in the People hub tile and e-mail + accounts in settings?
so for Microsoft: if you cannot fix your problems, do not advertise them to the people. I am very very very disappointed.
sorry for the text wall and my bad English.
- 08-23-2013, 10:07 AM #3
Basically, social integration allows you to integrate your Facebook/Twitter/whatever accounts into the People hub so you can see your contact's updates there. It is not a replacement for dedicated Facebook/Twitter/whatever apps which will of course have much more functionality (although, my understanding is that the corresponding WP8 apps kinda suck). Aside of the Facebook chat stuff (which, from what I understand, is buggy), the stuff you're asking for exceeds the scope of the People hub and its integration features.
I don't use dedicated apps, I find the integration to be perfect for me. But were I a social networking "power user" like you seem to be, yeah, I'd be frustrated too.
Have you tried the Facebook and Twitter apps? I know a lot of people here use both; the People hub for basic social networking stuff, the apps for the more advanced features.
08-23-2013, 10:24 AM #4
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I use the people hub and me tile for quick posts, views, check-ins, etc. These are not meant to replace the full featured apps. You might try using them in conjunction with each other. It's actually quite wonderful to go into the contact card of someone you follow on twitter and see all their posts, plus it's an easy way to mention someone. You can also create a group of contacts that might be related, pin that group to your start screen, and create a mini "app". For example, your favorite soccer team's players. Get creative!
If you need instant twitter notifications from an app, try Rowi. As far as needing notifications from the Facebook app, not the me tile, I'm not sure what the difference is, but I do know that Joe B tweeted that they were working hard on that part of the FB app.
- 08-23-2013, 10:36 AM #8
I don't know what to tell you about the Facebook and Twitter apps; like I said, I don't use them. I've read other people here having problems with the notifications, you might want to search around the forums a bit. You might also want to try other apps, too.
08-23-2013, 10:45 AM #10I'm also over at the Moriya Shrine! Go there if you're also a fan of Touhou. After all, it is a small community, like WP, right?
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- 08-23-2013, 11:37 AM #13
08-24-2013, 11:42 AM #14
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Some excellent responses guys! OP, integration doesn't suck. Integration does what it is meant to do and how it is advertised - taken from Windows Phone Features (United States) - it is always how we interpret things wrongly and expect way too much that makes us unhappy.
"All your people and all the ways you keep them close
Windows Phone is the only phone with a People Hub, where you’ll find your contacts, kick off conversations (phone, text, IM, email), check out your friends’ latest posts and photos, get to your Rooms and Groups, or even make a Skype call right from a contact card."
- 08-24-2013, 07:54 PM #15
IM doesn't work with me (and with a lot of people on WPCentral)
Not all activity shows, Foursquare check-in comments never show.
And the whole advertisement is shortened, you can do plenty of things on People hub like changing the profile picture on Outlook/Facebook, checking in and posting and more, I guess?!
08-24-2013, 08:14 PM #16
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OP is right. Integration in WP sucks badly and I shouldn't even exist w/o an API that allows developers to integrate their apps. Even MSFT doesn't have those APIs apparently.
Social apps upgrade really fast and relaying in a integrated solution will only slow them. Think about it, Facebook chances their apps and webpage frequently and MSFT can't keep the pace because it requires them to update the entire system.
Other problem is that MSFT doesn't have access to full Facebook APIs, so they are very limited. The same might be true to Twitter and their token system.
Integration is slowing Windows Phone.
08-24-2013, 08:20 PM #17
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OP is right that messaging is an issue in WP8. missing notifications for FB chat is a common issue. gmail chat is not baked in at all (nor is there a good app for it). and out of all the popular multi-platform msging apps, whatsapp is the only one that works.
08-25-2013, 05:54 AM #19
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- 08-25-2013, 02:02 PM #22
Also, from what I've been able to discern, the "what's new" page of the People hub shows the Facebook "Top Stories" view. Not the "Most Recent" view. Which may explain why you're missing some posts.
08-25-2013, 03:20 PM #23
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I have mixed feelings on this thread. Yes not all applications are designed to be pushed all the time like the peoples hub BUT I feel there is a strong disconnect of the Microsoft mentality and Windows Phone. The facebook messaging abilities have been broken for months and are just getting fixed, facebook notifications even from its own beta app have delayed toast notifications and such things like simply sharing a post are missing from the news feed. I understand people's point of using the peoples hub side by side with the Facebook app but what good is a phone designed to get in and out and on with life if I find a post I want to share in the peoples hub, then go to the facebook app, go and find the exact same post and share it...
Microsoft does updates on their surface and pc line every week but Windows phone is left for half a year or so at a time for updates on core features. Hell they even refused to acknowledge things like facebook messaging was even having a problem until last week...
don't get me wrong, I love my lumia 928 it's way better than my iphone. But It feels over promised and under delivered in the social aspect of the phone. The phone is amazing at email, pictures, and searching, but facebook. twitter, and messaging are a bust at the moment until they are fixed fully in 8.1; which hopefully will not be so far behind due to it's release date NEXT YEAR that we are stuck in the same situation...
08-25-2013, 03:28 PM #24
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I have the 920 and I am using the facebook beta app and have that and linked in and twitter all integrated. No real issues with any of that. What apps do you have installed and which apps are allowed for background work?Your smartphone is only as smart as YOU let it be!
09-21-2013, 07:19 PM #25
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You are completely right and I understand every point you mentioned. It's ok that we have the People's hub and some features can only be accessed by the main app itself, but the whole problem with WP8 is that it doesnt push toast notifications for any social app, except Whatsapp. And the "me" tile gets updated constantly while on the home screen but they can't make those updates be notified as they come in?? that's a lame design/dev problem obviously... Not to mention that I can't chat with FB friends because it never connects to IM ("Can't connect to Chat/IM" issue). Hell I can't even chat with my Hotmail contacts!! It always attempts to connect but fails every single time (dont matter if I'm on 3G, Wifi, and FB is allowed on my MSFT PC profile, etc).
I know the FB app itself is really crappy but I can live with that as I have other alternatives like the People hub or FB mobile, but no FB Messenger app and no proper integration with the Messaging hub?? that is unacceptable...
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