- 05-29-2013, 09:40 AM #4
Actually, sharing a MIcrosoft account violates their terms of service.
Really, this is a subject that has quite strong opposing opinions, from the user who wants to not pay twice (or more) for his family to use an app, to the developer who wants to get paid for the hard work that he put into creating the app. There's the legal matter of copyright and what the developer agreed to with Microsoft when he submitted the app, to the agreements that the user agrees to with Microsoft for use of their services.
As a developer, I lean toward requiring payment for each user (keeping in mind that one user can have multiple devices), but I'm not opposed to a family plan of some sort that gives a discount for multiple copies of an app being purchased. What that discount amounts to, or what the limitations are, those should be open for debate to hear both sides. But for someone to say, "I bought the app so my wife should get it free," that I am opposed to.
I don't want to see this thread take the downward spiral that a similar thread took last fall - just trying to share my opinion, along with openness to hear the other side.
- 05-29-2013, 10:03 AM #5
It's technically possible, but you shouldn't do it since it violates Microsoft's ToS. Android & iOS allow it, but Microsoft doesn't.
I have to wonder though if it's violating ToS to put use the same account on multiple devices, if you own them. I suppose you could say that I own my wife's phone, since she's a SAHM and I'm the sole breadwinner and I bought her phone. (It's Android so it doesn't apply in this case, but if it was a WP...). So would it be wrong to use my MS account on her phone too?I have a Nexus 4, an iPhone 5, and a Lumia 520, and I like them all. Is something wrong with me? (I really should edit my signature sometime. I have only 1 of these 3 phones anymore, and even that one is mostly unused because it's been superseded by its big brother!)
- 05-29-2013, 11:51 AM #6
18. Assignment and transfer
We may assign this agreement, in whole or in part, at any time without notice to you. You may not assign this agreement or transfer any rights to use the services.
Microsoft Services Agreement
Basically, the way I read that (and I'm not a lawyer), you can't allow someone else to use Microsoft services with your account. That would include most of what the phone does, unless you hand it to your wife with it in Airplane Mode, since it is going to frequently access your Microsoft account for the built-in integration with facebook, twitter, and so forth. Twitter and facebook are not directly accessed by the phone, but through your Microsoft account, to reduce data. Instead of calling for data from facebook, then calling for data from twitter, for example, your Microsoft account occasionally calls these services, then the phone gets the information from your Microsoft account. This is just one example of the many ways that the phone is intimately tied to the account.
- 05-29-2013, 12:01 PM #7I have a Nexus 4, an iPhone 5, and a Lumia 520, and I like them all. Is something wrong with me? (I really should edit my signature sometime. I have only 1 of these 3 phones anymore, and even that one is mostly unused because it's been superseded by its big brother!)
- 05-29-2013, 12:19 PM #8
Part of it could be relationships with developers. Microsoft has always valued their developers. The others, not so much, from what I've read online (no personal experience with them).
- 05-29-2013, 02:27 PM #9I have a Nexus 4, an iPhone 5, and a Lumia 520, and I like them all. Is something wrong with me? (I really should edit my signature sometime. I have only 1 of these 3 phones anymore, and even that one is mostly unused because it's been superseded by its big brother!)
- 05-29-2013, 03:11 PM #10
I share quite a few app ACCOUNTS between myself and the wife. the very few paid apps I use just get paid for each time. three, maybe four total.
the email address used for shared apps like evernote, keep, maps, openoffice.org, geocaching is a nuetral, seperate email address from our personal emails, if that makes sense to you.
I see no reason why users can't share an email account, pay for apps seperately, and continue to enjoy everything synced, shared, and standard.
also, I see no reason to share an email address on a per device basis, since that's what I understand the origianl questions focus was.awwwww how sweeeeeet. thanks !
- 05-29-2013, 03:50 PM #11
I understand both sides, I think I do lean more to being able to "share" apps since you can on the other two, Apple and Google. People who are switching from Android or iphone, this is a big turnoff and they don't understand it. Especially when the apps are normally 2-3x' the price on WP. It doesn't bother me that much because I don't purchase many apps and my wife doesn't care about plaing games. Although, if I know my wife would be able to download the app too, I may be more inclined to click the "buy" button.
Now on the terms of service.... My parents have one email account, always have, always will. (Same with both sets of my grandparents) They would not want one for each of them. They don't use Twitter, Facebook or any of the other social media. If they were to get a window phone they would use the same microsoft account for both of their phones. I don't see a problem with this. Granted, this would allow them to share apps. (I don't think they would buy any apps anyway)
- 05-29-2013, 05:41 PM #12
My wife & I share email & Facebook accounts too. Any app purchased can go on both phones, as well as any other Android device we happen to have around. I'm not sure what we would do if we both had Windows Phones.
I don't really have a big problem with the way Microsoft restricts sharing apps, but of course as a consumer I prefer being able to do it. I'm not sure how Microsoft expects to compete with Apple & Google, when they already have exponentially higher market share. I would think that MS would allow it if for no other reason than to be on par with their biggest competitors. Obviously developers aren't leaning towards MS because of it.
- 05-30-2013, 02:57 PM #13
As for the sharing of apps, I respect that Microsoft respects the work that developers put into an app, more than Apple or Google respects the people who really made those platforms popular - I mean, Apple would be nowhere without apps. They tried going the no-app route, and it was something like a year after the iPhone came out before developers were allowed to create apps, but they gave in because the people wanted apps. Like I said before, I don't have a problem opening a dialog to giving discounts to users in the same family, but for a company to arbitrarily tell me that they are going to give my hard work away to the spouses or children of anyone who buys my app, no. Sorry. I'd pull my apps from the store if they tried that.
- 05-30-2013, 05:07 PM #14
This is a feature that I really want added. iOS lets you put the apps onto 5 different devices and you can log into store separately, and change the account.
Windows Phone doesn't let you do it. As stated in this thread
Sharing Apps between two accounts
It is something that should be changed. IOS with the biggest App store lets you do this, and the developers have no problems letting this happen.
Last edited by rdubmu; 05-30-2013 at 05:26 PM.
- 05-30-2013, 06:31 PM #15
- 05-30-2013, 07:22 PM #16
So while having an individual app shared between a family might seem like it's doing a developer out of potential payments, in practice it probably increases the overall number of app sales because the fact that the app can be shared makes it appear a more cost effective proposition (thereby convincing a person to pay for an app in the first instance), and it can potentially draw more potential app buyers (the rest of the family) into the ecosystem, raising the overall pool of app-buying punters.
- 05-30-2013, 09:24 PM #17
- 05-30-2013, 09:46 PM #18
- 05-30-2013, 10:31 PM #19
Again, I'm not opposed to opening a dialog on this (but the dialog between all of us is pointless if Microsoft isn't involved), but I'm not willing to have my hard work given away by someone else.
- 05-30-2013, 11:31 PM #20
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