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    Ok bear with me here, I don't have any images to show but this has literally just exploded into my head and I had to tell you guys and see what you think regardless

    Inspiration from:
    Windows Phone Notification Center Concept posted by isyraf.eiman
    Windows Phone Notification Center Concept | The Verge Forums

    and an image posted by corbey94 in the comment section of the above link
    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=49ab7...NS96M4hg-acrdk

    OK, so basically take these ideas but apply them to the whole OS. You know how some apps allow you to swipe down and show you the status bar and some don’t? Yeah scrap that entirely. Instead merge the status bar with the notification centre. Make it have the same animation that iOS does when double tapping the home button when as you drag down, the whole screen slides down slowly along with that bar with the arrow (heck there doesn't even need to be a separating bar really, or at least not as thick) and not just covers the screen as the iOS and Android notification shades do, i.e. the app you are currently in literally slides out of view instead of just being covered up. It's as if the OS screen itself is being dragged down out of view to uncover the Notification Centre hidden beneath.

    I’m telling you it would fit perfectly. From any screen in the OS is you need to check your battery or other statuses, just take a quick "peek" and then go about your business.

    Personally I think it’s brilliant. I’ll try to make some images and post it up here to get my thoughts across but hopefully you get the gist. If anyone truly understands what I'm getting at feel free to do it yourself though, just make sure I get a mention :P

    So what do you think guys, will it work?

    Edit: OK forget about the peek idea I just mentioned. Instead make it so that the flick/swipe gesture from the top still has the same function as it does now on the home screen and certain apps and apply that to the entire OS (override apps to do it regardless of whether the dev built it in or not if possible) in showing the status bar. But then when you drag from the top it does what I mentioned in the post. Much like the how in Windows 8 a swipe from the top opens the app bar and a drag down from the top allows you to either move the app into a pinned position or discard it. Two completely different things.
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    Your hired. Start working. Now. ;-)
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    I take it you like the idea then :)
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    I had almost exactly the same idea a while ago, a notification center what you could access by swiping down from the status bar with a twist that it does not cover anything, it just sort of pushes the current open application away from the screen and shows the information that seems like it has always been there, the screen just wasn't positioned to display it. It could even leave the app you came from visible in the bottom so that you absolutely could not get lost. I think I tossed this idea in the end because I didn't like the swipe gesture accessing it, swipe down from the top is a very cumbersome gesture to do one-handed with a big screen device.


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    all three ideas looks tempting! I will buy one for sure.
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    Some apps already use the swipe down gesture. Some apps don't allow the user to show the status bar. How would it work then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a5cent View Post
    Some apps already use the swipe down gesture. Some apps don't allow the user to show the status bar. How would it work then?
    Another reason why any swipe down solution is problematic. In full screen solutions user would just have to know that it's there without any other visual cue. It would also go directly against the already established behavior of status bar (despite the gesture actually being a tap instead of swipe) which is something that would probable confuse the users already familiar with WP.

    ps. What apps use swipe down gesture? I would like to try the gesture in action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    I had almost exactly the same idea a while ago, a notification center what you could access by swiping down from the status bar with a twist that it does not cover anything, it just sort of pushes the current open application away from the screen and shows the information that seems like it has always been there, the screen just wasn't positioned to display it. It could even leave the app you came from visible in the bottom so that you absolutely could not get lost. I think I tossed this idea in the end because I didn't like the swipe gesture accessing it, swipe down from the top is a very cumbersome gesture to do one-handed with a big screen device.


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    Yes! Thats pretty much what I had in my head except I didn't envision the app getting smaller in the process. I actually think yours would suit better as there are many instances where items gets smaller in Windows Phone e.g. long press menus and the task switching screen.

    Its a shame you didn't try and take it further though
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    Quote Originally Posted by dk_banaah View Post
    I take it you like the idea then :)
    Yep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    Another reason why any swipe down solution is problematic. In full screen solutions user would just have to know that it's there without any other visual cue. It would also go directly against the already established behavior of status bar (despite the gesture actually being a tap instead of swipe) which is something that would probable confuse the users already familiar with WP.

    ps. What apps use swipe down gesture? I would like to try the gesture in action.
    I've posted an edit to address you concerns you mention. Also there's no need for visual cues. The entire OS is devoid of visual cues so it fits perfectly. I'm sure they'll get a walk through in the store if anything
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    Like it! This the problem with the slide-down gesture: whatever we choose, someone from a competing platform is going to accuse us of 'copying'; Sliding down from the top would copy iOS and Android, and sliding from the side would copy Blackberry and to an extent, the Nokia N9 os (can't remember the name, woops). Even webOS had notifications at the bottom so we can't copy them either!

    The flick down gesture to access is well known by most windows phone users so it would be a natural evolution really. It doesn't have to slide in, either. We have a whole host of gestures and movements in the OS as it is, such as it 'flipping' in like the live tiles. Either way we can discuss this all we want but so long as we get some form of notification center i'll be happy.
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    Hello WP,
    There are tons of good options thrown by the patrons, but I am curios to know if Windows will actually refine their OS and launch an update or they would outdate the present generation and launch the new is along with new devices. Glad to have update with lot of refinements which other wise will drive us back to the old platform we are used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    Another reason why any swipe down solution is problematic. In full screen solutions user would just have to know that it's there without any other visual cue. It would also go directly against the already established behavior of status bar (despite the gesture actually being a tap instead of swipe) which is something that would probable confuse the users already familiar with WP.

    ps. What apps use swipe down gesture? I would like to try the gesture in action.
    See my edit, I think it address what you mention here. A

    lso I meant that apps such as Whatsapp, Skype and WP Central (via the selected setting mind you) show the battery status and thus allow you to swipe down for other statuses such as Wi-Fi and signal strength whereas other apps such as Facebook, Music + Videos and Amazon Kindle do not show the batter status and therefore don't show anything when you try to swipe from the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivercorb View Post
    Like it! This the problem with the slide-down gesture: whatever we choose, someone from a competing platform is going to accuse us of 'copying'; Sliding down from the top would copy iOS and Android, and sliding from the side would copy Blackberry and to an extent, the Nokia N9 os (can't remember the name, woops). Even webOS had notifications at the bottom so we can't copy them either!

    The flick down gesture to access is well known by most windows phone users so it would be a natural evolution really. It doesn't have to slide in, either. We have a whole host of gestures and movements in the OS as it is, such as it 'flipping' in like the live tiles. Either way we can discuss this all we want but so long as we get some form of notification center i'll be happy.
    In all honesty I know how you feel but all the sides have been taken now lol. Cant use the bottom because the capacitive buttons are there and even though no other OS has used the right side its just the same as swiping from the left just BB10 and Meego.

    You can't win them all, especially when you're catching up
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    How about instead of sliding you pinch the screen? So, thumb and finger diagonally pinches the screen, it becomes smaller and vanishes like pufff. When you are done looking at notifications, hit the back button and you are where you left!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockstarzzz View Post
    How about instead of sliding you pinch the screen? So, thumb and finger diagonally pinches the screen, it becomes smaller and vanishes like pufff. When you are done looking at notifications, hit the back button and you are where you left!
    Interesting, although you would definitely need 2 hands for that. Still a pretty cool idea though :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dk_banaah View Post
    Yes! Thats pretty much what I had in my head except I didn't envision the app getting smaller in the process. I actually think yours would suit better as there are many instances where items gets smaller in Windows Phone e.g. long press menus and the task switching screen.

    Its a shame you didn't try and take it further though

    I actually did take it further, but it ended up going to somewhat different direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by dk_banaah View Post
    Also there's no need for visual cues. The entire OS is devoid of visual cues so it fits perfectly. I'm sure they'll get a walk through in the store if anything
    Now this is simply wrong. The entire OS is FULL of visual cues!

    - The way content from the next screen is showing a little bit in Panorama screens
    - The way how Pivot control labels go off the screen suggesting that there's more than what's currently visible
    - The way different content items animate separately instead of together
    - The way App Bar shows those three little dots even when minimized
    - etc.
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    How about utilizing the free space above our Live Tiles? In this free space, there can be a "special" Live Tile, one that is as thin as, say, the IE URL bar. This tile will be a drop-down menu essentially, with the word "Notifications" being shown by default. Now, when you click this tile, the most recent notification will be the first option, followed by the others from newest to oldest. When you click on a notification, it takes you to the spot in the corresponding app where you got that notification. I think that would look sweet.
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    Some good ideas. But why make things so complex. Do we need a full screen of notifications?

    What ive been thinking recently is why not just use the top of the screen thats usually reserved for signal/wifi/bluetooth/battery/time.

    Battery and time would have to stay where they are as when the phone is on charge they are always present. Why not use the other space for mail/text/reminders/skype/calls. All it would take would be an icon a little smaller than the ones that you get on the lock screen. The icons are persistant until the notification is dealt with. Toast notifications would still come in but after they dissappear a reminder is sitting there

    Dealing with the notification would just mean going to the respective app to clear it eg missed call would require opening phone, incoming mail open mail.

    So what your basically looking at is the lock screen notifications on the start screen in the little bar at the top. Its simple and doent disrupt the flow of WP8 - instead of: seeing notification > swipe notification centre > acknowledge notification > open respective app. All you would have is See notification > open respective app.

    The simplicity and flow of WP8 is what makes it unique - why do we even have to think about copying another os?

    Once your notifications are clear the usual tap at the top would reveal signal/wifi/bluetooth as usual
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    Like the webOS notifications but at the top of the screen? i think that would personally ruin the status bar; i like it being clean and empty, but i understand the concept works well.

    but ******* i miss the fonts from webOS, soooo nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadstar0410 View Post
    How about utilizing the free space above our Live Tiles? In this free space, there can be a "special" Live Tile, one that is as thin as, say, the IE URL bar. This tile will be a drop-down menu essentially, with the word "Notifications" being shown by default. Now, when you click this tile, the most recent notification will be the first option, followed by the others from newest to oldest. When you click on a notification, it takes you to the spot in the corresponding app where you got that notification. I think that would look sweet.
    It would be pointless to offer notifications together with Live Tiles. Why would people then bother using Live Tiles? Notification center (if any) function should be complementary to the Live Tiles, not parallel.

    Quote Originally Posted by martinmc78 View Post
    What ive been thinking recently is why not just use the top of the screen thats usually reserved for signal/wifi/bluetooth/battery/time.
    That sounds actually quite complex to me.

    - If the icons would be persistent until notification is dealt with = visual noise in apps, status bar likes to go away to avoid it.
    - The hit targets for individual notifications would be way too small if you could access them straight from the status bar.
    - Notification icons would block the original purpose of the status bar if too populated with them = not good
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    Apologies for the crudeness but you get the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    It would be pointless to offer notifications together with Live Tiles. Why would people then bother using Live Tiles? Notification center (if any) function should be complementary to the Live Tiles, not parallel.



    That sounds actually quite complex to me.

    - If the icons would be persistent until notification is dealt with = visual noise in apps, status bar likes to go away to avoid it.
    - The hit targets for individual notifications would be way too small if you could access them straight from the status bar.
    - Notification icons would block the original purpose of the status bar if too populated with them = not good
    Your missing the point
    Status bar can be persistant, it is when your charging your phone
    There are no hit targets the icon just serves to notify
    Thats the point you want to see that you have a notification. Be honest how often do you need to see if you have signal?

    Thinking about it some more your more than likely to have a live tile for phone, messaging, email at the top of your start screen anyway as the majority will use those constantly so you dont need notifications for those as live tiles already do the job. The notifications can just be used for apps probably not in the top portion of your startscreen - facebook - linkedin - twitter - espn - xbox
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    Why couldn't the notification center work just like the lock screen? When a notification status appears at the top of the screen, you simply pull it down to open, and swipe it back up to close (just like if you press the lock button, then press it again to get the lock screen, and when you swipe up the app resumes). This seems like it'd be too easy to implement, since the basics of it already exist.

    The only catch is the notifications that you'd receive would be limited to those that you give the lockscreen access to.
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    I was also thinking this: as I saw the triple-dot option bar, I came across another way to show notifications.

    In a corner (most likely top-left) of the screen will be a universal O. This O, when double-tapped, will view either all notifications when on the Start Screen or app-specific notifications when accessing from an app. The menu would come up the same way as the triple-dot menu. This maintains the simplicity of WP8 while still providing functionality.
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