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    I have an Atom based tablet running Windows 8, it has a 10.1" screen. If it were 9.1" I would say desktop mode would be unusable. Because of this I think there would be no use for such a device. Unless, It was a phone running in startup only, like an RT device. I think that would have been a good strategy.
    On another note, I can't wait for the next big update. I love what Microsoft has done over the past year and I want more!
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    I wouldn't.

    Just because you can have 1080p on a phone, and a PC, doesn't mean the user interface is anything alike. In theory a phone could run PC apps, but they'd be completely unusable on even a 6" screen.

    Lets also not forget, a mobile may have dual core, 1.5ghz, which sounds similar to an older PC, but i'm sure theres far more to it.
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    Personally I would rather not. WP8 feels properly optimised to the phones. And this includes designs, UI, etc. Not sure how well you could bring Windows 8 to the phone.

    "Fortune cookie said: 'Outlook not so good'. I said: 'Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway'."
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    In theory, an Intel Atom could achieve the desired effect of being a good mobile OS, but I really see more of a Windows RT opportunity rather than full blown W8.

    Personally, I would love the task management gestures of W8, like left swipe for app switch or top to bottom for app close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulagain View Post
    Ya, I bet those apps are designed to work really well on a 4.5" screen.

    /sarcasm
    True, but my screen on my Ativ is 4.8" so I'm good to go.
    My next phone...
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    #31  
    No thanks. I have no interest in the compromised battery life and needless complexity that would come along with a "true Windows 8 phone". Windows 8 is a desktop OS. Windows Phone 8 is a phone OS. I believe in using the right tool for the job. In fact, if and when I buy a Windows tablet, I'd rather have an ARM powered Windows RT tablet than a Windows 8 tablet, assuming Microsoft figures out a way to make a Windows RT tablet that doesn't use 16 GB out of 32 for system files and they have a good selection of apps.
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    That would be a huge mistake for a few reasons.

    1) It would cause platform fragmentation. Even if a Windows 8 phone were running a version of Windows RT, it would still require customization to run as a phone and to be usable on a smaller display.

    Imagine if Microsoft releases yet another mobile OS which could potentially offer a more direct path to porting apps. Except that then developers would have account for a mobile version in addition to the tablet. Plus there's an existing Windows mobile OS already on the market. Do they bother with that version or abandon it because Windows Phone RT might be easier to develop for? We already complain about the apparent lack of support for Windows Phone 8.


    2) It would cause confusion. This is tied to the first problem. People are already thrown off by the fact that Windows RT is essentially a limited version of Windows 8; it looks the same but you can't quite use it the same way. So toss into the mix a Windows Phone RT which is the same, but different. And worse, it's dramatically more different than Windows Phone 8, their other mobile OS.

    Windows 8/RT is not designed for a smartphone environment. The irony would be that they'd end up making the OS look like Windows Phone 8, except that it's not compatible in any way.


    3) The press would excoriate Microsoft. Imagine the mockery the company would face for creating such confusion. And imagine Windows Phone RT retaining the useless desktop mode. It would be like going back to the era of Windows XP tablets. It would essentially be a rehash of Windows Mobile. But in the minds of many people this would be typical of Microsoft and a sign that things haven't really changed.



    Imagine the long term implications. In that scenario the likelihood is good that Microsoft would kill Windows Phone. That would be a travesty as that's probably the best of the operating systems they currently offer. If anything, the Surface RT should have been equipped with a variant of Windows Phone.

    I'd say a more likely scenario is that Microsoft is going to offer a Surface RT tablet with 4G/LTE support.
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    Give me a liquid cooled phone and we're good to go. I don't even care if I have to carry it around in a holster.
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    I think I'd prefer MS supports WP8 more than look for a way out with PRO on phones. While a full OS on a phone sounds cool... I don't need it. I need my phone to do phone things... not PC things. On the other hand I'd love to see more messaging options available for windows. YIM, AOL, and other chats. Yes their popularity is decreasing, but no need to ignore. To be honest I see no need for WinRT. Last time I checked Apple and Android tablets/phones share operating systems. To be honest... I'm not really sure where RT falls exactly. Slightly more resolution, larger screen... ummm... Not much else going for it.

    So... rant aside. No. I would not "dump" my lovely WP8 device for a Win8 phone.
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    You guys are confusing yourselves and making it sound like Intel is trying to put Windows 8 on a phone when it isn't.

    Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 share the NT kernel so Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are technically the same operating system. Windows Phone 8 with an x86 core should theoretically be able to handle full fledged Windows 8 programs while using the Windows Phone 8 OS. Furthermore, you DON'T need the Windows 8 UI to run Windows 8 programs on Windows Phone 8. I don't think most of you guys understand this.

    Windows 8 is ALREADY on your phone. Now someone just needs to unleash its power!!!



    (Yes, I would buy an x86 Windows Phone; but, first, Microsoft needs to loosen up its grip on the platform so that I can run all the programs that I want on my phone on my phone. That means give us unlocked bootloaders... everything. No more of this locked down smartphone business every major OS is partaking in.)
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    #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by zuldrum View Post
    Trillian would work great on a 4.5" screen. So would Filezilla. I'm sure VLC wouldn't have any problems on 4.5 screen either.
    Apps should be rewritten for the phone (and the phone isn't just 4.5" - it's as low as 3.5"), having compatibility with tablet/PC apps just because the developer can't be bothered porting is a hacky workaround and not the solution to the problem. No one is saying that services should be ruled out for the phone, it's that the phone is a different form factor and interface and developers need to specifically target it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sentimentGX4 View Post
    Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 share the NT kernel so Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are technically the same operating system.
    There is a LOT more to an OS than just its kernel. Although the NT kernel does do more than just map OS instructions to a CPU architecture, it is still but a small part of the entire OS. In no way can W8 and WP8 be considered the same OS, neither technically nor in any other way. They just happen to share some of the same components (kernel, driver model and the .NET runtime)

    Quote Originally Posted by sentimentGX4 View Post
    Windows Phone 8 with an x86 core should theoretically be able to handle full fledged Windows 8 programs while using the Windows Phone 8 OS.
    You've been bamboozled by someone. WP8 lacks a huge part of the Win32 API which is what basically defines what W8 can and can't do. WP8 has almost none of that. In effect, this statement is just completely utterly false in every possible way.

    Quote Originally Posted by sentimentGX4 View Post
    Furthermore, you DON'T need the Windows 8 UI to run Windows 8 programs on Windows Phone 8. I don't think most of you guys understand this.
    This is true, since you can run the same drivers on W8RT and WP8, but it is quite irrelevant to end users as you can't run much else.
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    #38  
    Why? What's the benefit?
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    Yes. Not sure what the problem is here. The OS would be win8 not the interface. MS could write W8 to look exactly like WP8 if they wanted. Just disable the desktop side functions in W8P when mobile. Then create desktop cradles or tablet cradles, a la: Padphone, that open the full OS for use on larger format screens. Not resolution. Surface and windows phone already have the same resolution. Docking your W8P unlocks the CPU/GPU into high power mode to give more horsepower. When undocked it deactivates cores and lowers clocks to use less power.
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    I think that Windows and Windows Phone will merge eventually. Maybe as early as Windows 10 as Microsoft seems to be laying the groundwork on going there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by power5 View Post
    Yes. Not sure what the problem is here. The OS would be win8 not the interface. MS could write W8 to look exactly like WP8 if they wanted. Just disable the desktop side functions in W8P when mobile. Then create desktop cradles or tablet cradles, a la: Padphone, that open the full OS for use on larger format screens. Not resolution. Surface and windows phone already have the same resolution. Docking your W8P unlocks the CPU/GPU into high power mode to give more horsepower. When undocked it deactivates cores and lowers clocks to use less power.
    That, combined with Nokia's camera tech... (PureView Mk 4 anyone?) and that would be perfect. Could someone also perhaps get MS to license BBM from BB? Then we can also get BlackBerry. Perhaps an MS/BB partnership? Maybe then also get BB to make WP? etc. The possibilities are endless.

    "Fortune cookie said: 'Outlook not so good'. I said: 'Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway'."
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    Quote Originally Posted by power5 View Post
    Yes. Not sure what the problem is here. The OS would be win8 not the interface. MS could write W8 to look exactly like WP8 if they wanted. Just disable the desktop side functions in W8P when mobile. Then create desktop cradles or tablet cradles, a la: Padphone, that open the full OS for use on larger format screens. Not resolution. Surface and windows phone already have the same resolution. Docking your W8P unlocks the CPU/GPU into high power mode to give more horsepower. When undocked it deactivates cores and lowers clocks to use less power.
    So, instead of having 1.5GB free on our 4GB phones, we'll have 1.5GB free on our 32GB phones?

    No thanks. Full Windows does not belong on a phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    That, combined with Nokia's camera tech... (PureView Mk 4 anyone?) and that would be perfect. Could someone also perhaps get MS to license BBM from BB? Then we can also get BlackBerry. Perhaps an MS/BB partnership? Maybe then also get BB to make WP? etc. The possibilities are endless.
    Wait, what??!!!??? Are you being serious?

    Why would anyone want BB anywhere near Windows or Windows Phone devices? Eeek. :(


    Long term, I can maaaaaaybe see MS merging Windows. But that is loong term. Like 6-10 years from now, not 1 or 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulagain View Post
    Wait, what??!!!??? Are you being serious?

    Why would anyone want BB anywhere near Windows or Windows Phone devices? Eeek. :(
    Because I like BBM. So yes, I was being serious. And no, BBM alone is not enough to convert me to BB10. Maybe as a secondary device I would choose a BB10, but for now I'm sticking to a single device, which is the Nokia Lumia 920.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Because I like BBM. So yes, I was being serious. And no, BBM alone is not enough to convert me to BB10. Maybe as a secondary device I would choose a BB10, but for now I'm sticking to a single device, which is the Nokia Lumia 920.
    I'm pretty sure anything BBM has to offer, MS has or will have with Skype and other services. They've already announced anything to do with messaging will merge into Skype.

    BBM is really only meant for BB inter-device communication anyways. If you have all non BB devices, what good does it do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulagain View Post
    I'm pretty sure anything BBM has to offer, MS has or will have with Skype and other services. They've already announced anything to do with messaging will merge into Skype.

    BBM is really only meant for BB inter-device communication anyways. If you have all non BB devices, what good does it do?
    I liked BBM several years ago when I knew a lot of BlackBerry users. It would be useless now, since hardly anyone I know has a BlackBerry, and few people I know have the slightest interest in BlackBerry.
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    I like both operating systems, but I don't think Windows 8 is really fit for a mobile phone yet. Yeah, I know the HTC HD2 proved that it can work, but it's not a matter of can or can't; it's more a matter of it should or shouldn't and it's just simply not ready for mobile devices. Or mobile devices aren't ready for it. Either way.
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    No, Windows 8 is definitely for larger screens. I wouldn't want WP on a tablet or Win 8 on a phone. I would like Windows 8 on a Kindle Fire size device though.
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    no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulagain View Post
    I'm pretty sure anything BBM has to offer, MS has or will have with Skype and other services. They've already announced anything to do with messaging will merge into Skype.

    BBM is really only meant for BB inter-device communication anyways. If you have all non BB devices, what good does it do?
    My problem is, a LOT of my friends have BB devices. They won't get Skype et al either, and they won't respond on Facebook (yet they did when I had them on BBM). But I can't afford to go to BB. I'm already in enough trouble for shelling out on a Nokia Lumia 920. Maybe once I have a job (I used my Christmas money on the Nokia), I can get a BB10 device... The Nokia has a good 18 months to go out of it. And it is an awesome phone.

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