- 02-07-2013, 11:05 AM #126
I get your point, though. I love WP8 and my 820 - I think the device and the OS are just awesome - but it's currently sitting at home on my dresser where I use it as a WiFi-powered mini-tablet while I carry my iPhone 4S because of app and functionality issues.
Ultimately... we just don't know what's going on at MS so to assume laziness or disinterest seems more like a rage-gasm to me than anything else.
- 02-07-2013, 11:09 AM #127
Microsoft office with Note and Outlook sync for calendar wich sync with facebook and twiter and linkedin is awesome, some of the big business in this world rely on on Outlook calendar and tasks and work and sync perfectly.
I have a tablet and a phone with android, compared to Windows 8 desktop, I had a windows phone 7, Android is a great toy gadget, that's all, it relies on 3rd party for simple things. I have an galaxy nexus wich come with original Google OS and it sucks big time, I had before HTC with SENSE and that is the best Android interface to date. My ******ed Phone can't send a simple sms with a contact attached, I had to install GOLauncher with GOsms to have a good sms app, and go launcher apps have their own problems and so on. Microsoft is the first to creat an environment with Windows 8, phone, tablet, pc, Xbox and I hope will be right in the end. Android is great fun, great gadget, but that's all, productivity wise it suck big time, can't wait to use office on my Phone connected to my windows 2012 server and exchange, sharepoint etc... Same with Apple, why we should by a product that heavely relies on competition, office from Microsoft maps and gps from google and so on. I hope Microsoft will never release Office for Iphone and Ipad, and google will stop supporting ios for thei apps to see the true thing that Apple has to offer beside Marketing bull****, the amazing retina disply on iPhone 5 wich doesn't have the minimum HD resolution of 720p.
- 02-07-2013, 11:34 AM #129
Gps and maps, who do you think will develop apps for WP8 with Nokia maps, drive, transit and bing maps wich are free.
Email, tell how many email clients compare to Outlook, the one from Lotus IBM (way too bussiness)and maybe from Firefox, that's all.
Word, Excel, Powerpoint no competiotion, and free with WP8, I have used and provided for poor client with Open Office for many years, it sucks big time.
Outlook Calendar and tasks best in class free with WP8, no need for 10 000 calendar app, widgets, to do apps, etc... like on android.
So wich apps are required from developers:
Photo, games, design, news, and maybe a few more.
So where are the money to be made from Microsft windows 8 phone, very few for small developers who made a buck with 99 cent to do apps and widget with nice design and email clients etc... And WP8 has maybe 10 million devices sold when Android tops 500 million. So if u are a small developer on wich platform will u channel your efforts, not on WP8, it is normal and logic. I would not expect to have lots and lots of developers and apps for wp8, can't compare to Android or iOS where there is rooms for money to be made.
- 02-07-2013, 11:50 AM #130
Personally as a developer myself I can see why it is taking a bit for certain apps to show up. There is currently only so much Microsoft can do including throwing money at developers but it will still take time. Nothing is going to happen instantly especially with a large company like Microsoft.
Nokia seems to be doing a decent job getting for some larger name games over to the platform, though they maybe exclusive to nokia phones for a time.
It is no different then early adopters of Android. Same issues then. Just have to wait it out but with wp8 should help drive easier ports over.
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02-07-2013, 10:24 PM #131
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Could the reason for slow adoption by developers have anything to do with the SDK only being available on Windows 8? A lot of so-called "power users" seem to be rejecting Windows 8, and if a developer refuses to upgrade to Win8, then they're basically refusing to develop for WP8. I'd be interested to see if there would be an uptick in app releases if MS allowed the SDK to run on Windows 7.
- 02-08-2013, 02:32 AM #133
Given the deficit of apps, you really have to look and ask what does wp8 offer over the iPhone? The home screen isn't really much different than it. It's just an app launcher. Live Tiles for 3rd party apps aren't really live at all so all that leaves you with are number notifications for email, calls and SMS. IPhone does that.
The staggered portico update has proven that WP is just as much a slave to carriers as android. IPhone isn't.
The number of complaints of hardware and software defects is significantly higher than iphone. The resale value is awful in comparison.
This leaves you with devices that don't have really any features that an iPhone doesn't, more defects, Android type update fragmentation, and a much lower developer support. I just don't see what could come to mind to argue a case for this platform against the iPhone.
02-08-2013, 08:42 AM #134
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Having used the 920 for the past couple months I've nearly decided on cutting my losses and go back to iOS especially now that the iPhone5 is jailbroken. It's a great piece of kit and yes WP8 is nice and fresh but as we all agree, it needs time to develop. It's the price early adopters pay. As a consumer I am not prepared to hang around another 12-18 months for the platform to develop having to make do with alternative functionality. I blame myself for this normally I'm very good at restraining myself from impulse buys, but this time I got carried away with the WP8 candy. I agree iOS is dull in comparison and badly needs a facelift but it's much more functional and mature.
- 02-08-2013, 10:24 AM #135
01 Microsoft Office is one huge advantage over IOS, hopefully Microsoft will stop saving Apple and discontinue office apps for mac, so Adobe should do after the way Apple spit on them with flash integration, telling that their are ******ed and Apple doesn't give a **** about them, hopefully CS7 will not arrive on Mac.
02 Maps, Nokia maps with Drive and Transit offline, off gps...
03 Devices full featuring all kind of conectors, USB 3.0, hdmi, etc...
04 Really good devices at reasonable prices, and diversity, not as much as Android wich rocks in diversity.
few reasons maybe but strong ones for some of us.
Apple is kept alive by Google Adobe and Microsoft, without MS Office, Google maps and apps, and Adobe design Suite, there is NO Apple, sorry. So why should anybody actually buy an Apple product ? because it sits nicely on the table when you are in a fancy restaurant, 95% of apple user don't know anything about their products, it is just fancy to be Apple user, great aura.
- 02-08-2013, 12:37 PM #137
However, I've had an iphone, and android devices and although I think I could go back to Android, I would not be able to go back to iOS in it's current form...using my ipad drives me nuts...perhaps it's because I'm used to WP8 now but I find it to be so much better in so many ways for me...
Even the little things like being able to edit a sync'd word document over sharepoint or skydrive is insanely easy on WP8
No point however sticking around with something you don't like...it's only a gadget afterall...
- 02-09-2013, 10:11 PM #138
When it comes to apps, its fine if I don't have them on my phone. However my tablet needs to have everything. Hence why I have an iPad. My phone is a communication device. My tablet is a creating / consuming device.RSM for VZW
Phone history: HTC Trophy, Droid Razr, Curve 9370, HTC Rezound, HTC 8X Blue, HTC 8X VZW Employee Edition, LG Intuition, Nokia Lumia 928 White, LG G2, Droid Ultra VZW Employee Edition, iPhone 5S
- 02-10-2013, 02:18 AM #140
Another thing that has to be considered is order that devs port their apps. iOS is first for a majority of apps, followed by Android and then anything after that is given consideration, but not made a priority - due to the combined market share of the top two. Some people don't like getting an app late; they want it when all their friends get it, too... You can see this pattern in major 1st party apps as well.
Going with WP for a lot of people isn't just a question of Poor App Selection. It's also a question of Poor App Support, Inflated App Prices, and Significantly Lag compared to other platforms in App Introductions.
App Count means nothing anymore. It's all about Quality, Support, and the Speed at which new, great apps are introduced to your platform. Windows Phone lags iOS and Android in all those areas and given their lead now, it's not going to change in the near future. Getting today's top apps doesn't matter if tomorrow top apps are going to take forever to trickle down to this platform. That's a concern that simply doesn't exist on (especially) iOS or Android.
- 02-10-2013, 02:22 AM #141
An iPad will always be better than a smartphone for consuming media - especially video - just by virtue of its more advantageous form factor. And Surface RT simply cannot compete with the iPad right now because of lackluster App Support (clearly visible if you have a Windows 8 machine, as it can run almost all of the same apps).
- 02-10-2013, 05:53 AM #144
I noticed a bit of Instagram bashing. I don't think people understand what Instagram is.
Not having an Instagram app is like not having Twitter on your platform. It's a huge blow. It's a Social Network. A lot of people don't even use the Filters in Instagram. It's basically a Photogenic Twitter-like service where you can Like Photos, comment, reply to and mention people, etc.
Not having it is a huge blow. Atheletes and Celebrities are on IG. Businesses are on IG. It is a big deal. Even if you never post a picture to IG, it is still useful - just like Twitter or Facebook (or Google+ as well) - for keeping up to the minute on things.
I wish Microsoft had developed a [Shared] Photo Stream-type Service for Windows Phone/Windows 8...
- 02-10-2013, 06:37 AM #145Patient Windows Phone User since October 2010 till cores and apps do us apart.
- 02-10-2013, 08:07 AM #147
- 02-10-2013, 11:22 AM #148
Originally Posted by rockstarzzz
- 02-10-2013, 12:22 PM #149
I don't like the pretentiousness that's coming from the Windows Phone fanboys. I am a fanboy too, but I see the bigger picture! Why are delusional fanboys so apprehensive to the Instagram idea? Aren't you the same people who are rooting for WP8 to succeed?
- 02-10-2013, 12:38 PM #150
Discovered a new app today on Android - Quora. Though still in its nascent stage, looks promising. At least get the older ones MS...common. Bill..are u listening to me...We NEED apps OK. N E E D.
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