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    HTC Earnings Analysis: HTC’s Hot December Misjudged by Media | BGR

    They Think the Windows phone 8X and 8S have stopped it's revenue collapse .

    I tend to agree with this. because the 8X and 8S were released at that time frame and were released in multiples carriers around the world. the Droid DNA/ Butterfly. couldn't do it because it was/ is launched in two Markets. USA and Japan. They also say it's due to the decent demand for the 8X and high demand of the 8S in Europe.

    That's pretty Impressive
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    The whisper number is 1 million 8X handsets sold in North America.
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    So the 8X and 8S did what the One X couldn't do. I hope this goes on to influence other OEMs, and let them know that their is money to be made with Windows Phone.

    Samsung is currently keeping Android numbers inflated and if MS can get them fully on board then it would be good for the marketshare. Also, those huge activation numbers for Android that Google keeps pushing don't necessarily relate to handsets sold.
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    the reason the thing the 8X did when the One X didn't is because Carriers and Advertising, Innovation and hardware. when HTC launched the One X. they had to advertise themselves. when the 8X launched they had MS backing them. meaning much more advertising and more carriers. Also HTC made something different and innovate. eg. the front facing camera and the built in amp.
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    Despite my frustration with the Titan, I still like HTC as a company. They're still a step above other OEMs, IMO. If WP helps them with their slump then awesome!
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    well. you have seen demand in Asia and Europe for the WP 8X and 8S. so makes sense it's helping them. HTC would like this to keep going. So I think they would focus more on WP now :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    The whisper number is 1 million 8X handsets sold in North America.
    lol. That's pretty good. Hope its true :-)
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    The whisper is despite claims of artificial supply shortages and exclusivity being its doom, the Lumia 920 is readily outselling the 8X. Signature what again? :]

    I found this hard to believe, but then I remembered HTC is no Samsung. Two million or so in extra sales is in fact a huge deal - HTC shipped (just) 7.3 million smartphones in Q3 2012, which was a better quarter for them profit-wise than Q4 2012. I suppose it's good news that Windows Phone might now be a pretty important cut of HTC's revenue, but the bad news is that the company is struggling. Per your graph, the "pretty awesome December" is still on the worse end of their year, which has been bad.

    I like HTC and hope they can turn this around. It's extremely saddening that the market has essentially moved to another duopoly with Samsung and Apple, while manufacturers who I believe do decent work - HTC, Nokia and Sony - are left out in the cold. Oh, and Boy Genius Report.
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    HTC's biggest obstacle is HTC. Their numbers from 2Q and 3Q wouldn't have dropped so bad if they had decent support behind their products. I've heard a dozen times by current/prior HTC owners that they have poor customer service/relations. Perhaps their changing that. I hope so, because now they have a new problem on their flagship phone (8x) to deal with: the finish on their phones is rubbing off in people's pockets. HTC's response? Don't put it in your pocket. *eye roll*
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    I think there is much potential left for WP8 devices from HTC.
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    HTC's problems aren't as self-inflicted as, say, Nokia and Sony, who go out of their way to make it difficult to buy one of their better handsets through "exclusives."

    I hope they can fix their CS issues, as they're one of the innovators in the category.
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    I think the difference for HTC is the carrier push. I have been two 3 nearby Verizon stores, and all have been laid out in a way that promote Windows Phone.

    My local store is designed to push people in a counter-clockwise pattern. The first phone on the right was the GSIII, followed by a massive Windows Phone display featuring Qi chargers and accessories galore. Right after that is the iOS display and then the android phones. Also the posters out front were dominated by WP ads.
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    In my verizon store, the Windows phones are in the back....the feature phones are up closer to the front more than the windows phone.

    Literally had I not known the phone i was looking for, i would not have even went to the back to find the windows phone.

    I think for Verizon it is Galaxy....Iphones...Droids...Windows phone.


    Quote Originally Posted by srmccoy View Post
    I think the difference for HTC is the carrier push. I have been two 3 nearby Verizon stores, and all have been laid out in a way that promote Windows Phone.

    My local store is designed to push people in a counter-clockwise pattern. The first phone on the right was the GSIII, followed by a massive Windows Phone display featuring Qi chargers and accessories galore. Right after that is the iOS display and then the android phones. Also the posters out front were dominated by WP ads.
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    Fascinating how carriers separate "Galaxy" from "Android," isn't it?

    I think that if Samsung decides to go the Tizen way (assuming it makes sense for them), a lot of Android market share runs the chance of evaporating. Google and Android folks seem to think that Google's the dominant partner in that relationship, and I wonder if Samsung won't school them within the next 24 months. Especially if the rumors about a forked "Android +" Google "X Phone by Motorola" are accurate.
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    Yeah I went to a Verizon store in Houston, if I didn't know what I was looking for I would have never seen the windows phones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah Dawson View Post
    In my verizon store, the Windows phones are in the back....the feature phones are up closer to the front more than the windows phone.

    Literally had I not known the phone i was looking for, i would not have even went to the back to find the windows phone.

    I think for Verizon it is Galaxy....Iphones...Droids...Windows phone.
    Yeah, it's the exact opposite here in Central FL, at least in the towns around me. I'm sure it's based on demographics, but they seem to be getting quite the push around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I think that if Samsung decides to go the Tizen way (assuming it makes sense for them), a lot of Android market share runs the chance of evaporating. Google and Android folks seem to think that Google's the dominant partner in that relationship, and I wonder if Samsung won't school them within the next 24 months. Especially if the rumors about a forked "Android +" Google "X Phone by Motorola" are accurate.
    Android would still hold 30-40% of the current market if all Samsung smartphones suddenly morphed into Tizen handsets.

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    HTC's problems aren't as self-inflicted as, say, Nokia and Sony, who go out of their way to make it difficult to buy one of their better handsets through "exclusives."
    Self-inflicted what? So Nokia and Sony, who are doing extremely poorly and in the case of Nokia, to be bankrupt this year by some people's guesses, are intentionally screwing themselves over? Nokia has the stats to show the benefits of exclusivity, past a consumer's "oh I like my carrier so screw Nokia". It has been said before, Nokia got little attention when it spread itself thin across many carriers. Nokia gets a better treatment if it offers an exclusive, and maybe even a paycheck or advertising campaign thrown in.

    Now let's look at HTC, who has done what Nokia has done in past - spread itself thin - and now, despite the 8X being the flagship Signature device of Windows Phone, it has failed to outsell the exclusive 920. I was told consumers would pick up the HTC 8X if they saw it next to the 920 because it's just so beautiful. So where are the sales?
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    I am waiting to see the quarterly sales. But Android needs Samsung more than Samsung needs Android.
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    I am waiting to see the quarterly sales. But Android needs Samsung more than Samsung needs Android.
    Exactly...
    Samsung followers would also buy WP8 devices if the price is good.
    I think the ATIV-S will convert many to WP8, because WP8 is simply more stable than Android and most do not root their Android phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolknight1968 View Post
    Exactly...
    Samsung followers would also buy WP8 devices if the price is good.
    I think the ATIV-S will convert many to WP8, because WP8 is simply more stable than Android and most do not root their Android phone.
    With all due respect I think that's absolutely false. Google has the strength to be able to continue to diversify its already extremely diverse device portfolio. In fact they're currently doing that by selecting different handset manufacturers to work on their Nexus line. Currently Samsung makes up about 20-25% of Android users in the U.S. It would be interesting to see what the global number is and what it will be after the Motorola + Google "X" phone is released along with Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 numbers. My guess is that Samsung's Android market share will decrease...

    Regardless, it's all good news for Google. As for WP8, I'd like to see Nokia start doing some clever advertising like Samsung. In fact, I'd like to see the same relationship between Nokia and Microsoft as Samsung has with Google.

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