- 01-04-2013, 09:25 PM #26
What is kind of cool, since you mentioned PDFs. Word 2013 can actually open, edit, and save PDFs. There is a reader App for them that uses the bookmarks, view them, etc etc if you need that too. I don't deal with PDFs too often in the first place so I cannot personally comment on the experience. Again this is something you could stop by bestbuy and find a random PDF online and try and open it on their surface tablet and see what you can do with it. I doubt they have any features to write on the PDFs or what not unfortunately but that may come in time, depends on if you need that. Windows Phone BTW you can download the PDF reader app and you'll be able to open PDF files on your phone. It doesn't have a ton of features.. basically you can view PDFs with it.. but it defaults itself to open PDFs on your phone, that is what I have on my lumia 920.
yes.. wifi only can be a concern if you don't have a phone plan that offers tethering. I don't seem to have a problem much since most places I take my surface, have wifi. My school had it, my job has it, (my house.. ), starbucks.. I can't pull it out in the car (since I don't have tethering on my plan either) even as a passenger. So that is a consideration to keep in mind if you find you really need to use the tablet often in places that don't have reliable wifi connections.
As for connecting to your phone or to skydrive without wifi.. yes.. you can't "quickly" do it... phone obviously you can connect via USB port on the surface and do it that way relatively easy (albeit probably not "quick"). Or if you know what you'll need before hand (say you're going to class) you can download the slides or papers and then save your notes to your desktop and sync when you get back home.
- 01-04-2013, 09:30 PM #27
But if you need programs like autocad, photoshop, maya/3dsmax, matlab, or anything engineering / CS based then I would probably recommend waiting on the surface pro if you wish to stay with that line, or go for one of the laptop/tablet hybrids if you need one before the semester starts (since the pro release date isn't released yet). However.. as I said above too.. if you happen to have windows 8 on your desktop as well as the surface tablet, it is VERY easy to setup remote desktop and use your home computer in a touch interface on your tablet while in class (if you need to do a program or use something that the RT doesn't have / can't support).
I would recommend it and I wish I had the surface when I was in school.
01-04-2013, 09:35 PM #28
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- 01-04-2013, 09:38 PM #29
Yes I might do that, and about the PDF, I have that exact app on my phone as well and it defaults all PDF's to opening with that program. Didn't know of it was the same on the tablet. As far as emails, I believe I received either a word file from a fellow classmate or a PowerPoint from a classmate and it wouldn't saying something along the lines that Windows couldn't open that attachment. I was pretty bummed but didn't know if it was just limited to the phones.
I don't have a tethering plan (AT&T) as they get very expensive and I'm grandfathered in with unlimited so I'll make due, but I guess your options make sense as well as far as syncing before and after class when I get home or using Skydrive to save.
I thank you for your great answers, you probably answered better than what I would of received at the Microsoft Store because when I initially went and played with a surface, they seemed pretty clueless on what it's able to do. However, since it can do my major concerns then I most likely will pick one up and get attached. Compared to the other tablets, the Surface seems underpowered compared to like the Yoga & the Vivo Tab.
- 01-04-2013, 09:43 PM #30
- 01-04-2013, 09:44 PM #31
I have the same plan as you (grandfathered in with unlimited) so I can understand your situation completely :)
You are very welcome. I cannot say as when I got mine at the MS Store they seemed very knowledgable but I live in Orlando FL so I don't know about where you are hehe. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask them and plenty of people who are willing to help. Check out the surface RT forum on here too for more information (since this is the wp8 forum and the surface people, while probably do check here too, may be more focused down there).
Best of luck with whatever device you decide on :)
- 01-04-2013, 09:45 PM #32
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- 01-04-2013, 10:00 PM #36
By this point I don't think you are going to find uninformed MS Store people, at least not the manager. Some of the questions you ask aren't even Surface questions, but universal Windows truths for the past 10 years. If you have used Windows in the last 10 years you will understand from an OS perspective that Windows RT can do everything Windows 8 can except run legacy apps.
01-04-2013, 10:18 PM #39
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Win 8 RT tablets like Surface and the Dell XPS 10 are simular to iPads in that they are content creation devices. Win 8 RT tablets do however have Offiice integrated. Win 8 Pro tablets like the Dell Latitude 10 and Surface Pro are Tablet PCs running Win 8 Pro. They run 5 MILLION LEGACY Windows applications that have been developed over the last 20 years as well as Win 8 Metro apps. They can be managed and secured by corporate unlike Android or iPad tablets. For Corporate IT Win 8 Pro tablets are the solution that they want and need.
01-04-2013, 11:45 PM #40
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RT isn't just lack of legacy support though. Keep that mind while try to decide. However, it is still far more powerful than iOS6 on the iPad.
01-05-2013, 01:56 AM #41
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For a while, I assumed I would be too limited by an RT tablet, until I got a Surface RT. I could not be happier with it. It is a beautiful device, battery lasts me all day and night, with frequent usage, videos look amazing on the screen and fit great thanks to the 16:9 display. I am seeing more useful apps appearing in the Store all the time. Plus a MicroSD slot, USB port, and the most personal user interface ever. My Start screen is MY design, my layout, and much cooler than a grid of app icons and wasted space. This thing feels like the future, now. Try using one for a bit before you dismiss it. And if you're on the fence and have a question that you think I may be able to answer, feel free to ask!
01-05-2013, 02:20 AM #42
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A lot of what I'm going to say has already been stated, just wanted to share my thoughts as well.
iPad or Surface? It totally depends on what you want to do with your tablet.
To me a Windows Phone and an iPad is the perfect combination. I thought about getting a Surface and selling the iPad but decided against it.
I kept the iPad for:
- Games. Cheap, high quality, well-known games that work well and look great.
- Handwritten notes (GoodNotes), I use the iPad as an electronic note pad. I couldn't find any app that does that on Windows RT or even Windows 8.
- Skydrive works just as well on the iPad.
- Apps in general. If I need anything specific, now or in the future, I know I will get it for the iPad.
- Amazing battery life.
Not to say the Surface is bad. I like the concept, the looks. However, there's no real advantage to go all Microsoft/Windows at this point in time. So, right now an iPad might be the better choice.
If my iPad ever stops functioning, I'll take a second look at Windows tablets, they certainly intrigue me!
And, well, if you'd rather have a Surface, I'd wait for the Pro.
- 01-05-2013, 05:09 AM #43
I have a Lumia 920/iPad mini combo and I really like it. Smartglass is actually better on the iPad, Skydrive is there too. I've owned two Nexus 7's and prefer the iPad mini because it has real, tablet optimized apps and not the blown up phone apps of the Nexus 7. The N7 is best to use Jelly Bean without buying a phone, IMO, and thats it. Saying apps are irrelevant is ridiculous...iMovie, Rdio, GTA Vice City, Chrome, Pages, Dropbox, Evernote, Gmail, Google +, Tapatalk, Pinterest, Tweetbot, Tumblr, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Drafts, Priceline, Xbox Smartglass....all on my iPad mini plus many more. Don't forget Siri, and the Google Search app with voice assistant.
01-05-2013, 04:18 PM #45To me a windows phone and an ipad is the perfect combination
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- 01-05-2013, 08:36 PM #48
I'm looking at a compromise between the surface RT and the Pro. The Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2. It has the new Atom processor and seems to fit nicely between the two MS offerings in both price and spec. A few different companies are coming out with this same hardware spec like Dell and HP. Rather than running RT they run Windows 8 32 or 32 pro. I'll be using this mostly for running MS Office and a lot of OneNote. I like the idea of having a place to keep the input pen (check out the Lenovo website). These tablets are said to have great battery life as well, without having to run the more limited RT operating system. Oh, it also has Full-sized USB 2.0 ports, Micro SD slot, and Mini HDMI port.
Not your original question but I would go with this over the iPad if your going to stay with Windows Phone
- 01-06-2013, 10:33 AM #49
You also said limited RT OS.. But if you are just using it for Office and OneNote.. why do you need the "full" win8 version? What would you be missing other than the old software? Not bashing, just asking.
- 01-06-2013, 10:44 AM #50
The Nexus 7 on the other hand has this years technology, a faster processor, double the RAM, higher resolution and although Android isn't quite as pretty as iOS, the Nexus 7 has the very best Android has to offer, it runs the latest version which is pretty polished and it's pure vanilla Android, free of any bloatware or OEM junk and it can be freely updated to newer versions as they are released. Furthermore, Android is much more capable and flexible than iOS. I can do nearly 80% of what I can on a laptop with my Nexus 7. That is pretty amazing for a $249 device.
The icing on the cake? Google sells the Nexus 7 at cost, or even at a slight loss, so for $199-249, you're getting a tablet which cost them almost that much to make, versus the iPad Mini, which has at least a $150 worth of pork built in to the price.
I don't feel that Windows RT is quite ready for prime time yet. There is still very little available in terms of apps and every review I have read says it's somewhat sluggish on the current hardware.
As soon as they have Win RT tuned up and on hardware that will be as snappy as my Lumia 920 and they have a respectable library of apps, then I will buy an Win RT tablet. Until then, my Nexus 7 is more than enough for me.