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    It doesn't really matter if some people don't care about the app count. What matters is whether most people do. Do most people care? If they don't, then there should be no reason why WP8 doesn't sell as many phones as iPhones and Androids this year. Right? If not, then I guess you'll have the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    It doesn't really matter if some people don't care about the app count. What matters is whether most people do. Do most people care? If they don't, then there should be no reason why WP8 doesn't sell as many phones as iPhones and Androids this year. Right? If not, then I guess you'll have the answer.

    I think there might be other factors involved in quantity of devices sold. I would say that investment in ecosystem, availability of devices (Spec Wars), sales reps opinions, even things like WIFI tethering being free when hacked on Android device, their are many more and they all play a part in device sales. Saying that if people don't buy WP's its just because of apps is an unrealistic view. IMHO
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 01-06-2013 at 07:45 AM.
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    I need Adobe PDF Reader ASAP

    Microsoft version is very basic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_J View Post
    I need Adobe PDF Reader ASAP

    Microsoft version is very basic
    Adobe PDF was even worse with WP7.5
    Be glad you've Microsoft one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blake View Post
    I think there might be other factors involved in quantity of devices sold. I would say that investment in ecosystem, availability of devices (Spec Wars), sales reps opinions, even things like WIFI tethering being free when hacked on Android device, their are many more and they all play a part in device sales. Saying that if people don't buy WP's its just because of apps is an unrealistic view. IMHO
    I agree with you, although investment in ecosystem is somewhat tied to that. Given that a goodly portion of discussion is apps, apps, and apps though it does get a lot of attention.
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    If you think about it, the "app problem" can likely be solved in around 100 apps. Chances are that all the apps that the pundits bounce around as vital and important are around that mark. If you then move to a global focus and include a bunch of local apps, I really do think it takes less than a few thousand apps to make everyone happy. Honestly, Microsoft needs to start tossing the money around, really. I think if it contacted a lot of these local companies and services and offered to pay for development costs, they'd do it. It might be hard persuading Instagram and Flipboard over, fine. Leave them, flesh out the rest of the ecosystem and apps such as those will grow or be ported over organically.

    Get the essentials there - that means services that actually mean something, not a photo ******ing app.
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    I'm not concerned. App count is meaningless. I care about which apps we have and the general quality of the apps, not how many fart apps and useless Chinese bikini girl apps we have to bloat up the app count.

    I have virtually everything I need and want in the apps department right now with the exception of Citrix Receiver, which is coming before too long now.

    I'm all set. Luckily I don't use Instagram and I don't necessarily need whatever Zynga game is trending this week. My only interest in seeing that kind of stuff and seeing a high app count is that it can attract new users to the platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_J View Post
    I need Adobe PDF Reader ASAP

    Microsoft version is very basic
    It works for me and its pretty fast for a phone app.

    What functionality are you looking for that it doesn't offer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XENOPHOS View Post
    Like the OP very very rightly said "I just want the phone to make my life easier, not take over my life." That is precisely my point of view.
    You sound like a perfect candidate for Windows Phone then. Your thinking is right in line with the design philosophy of WP.
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    I couldn't care less. I got all the apps that I need and the count is steady growing.
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    No American Express app.
    No SiriusXM app.
    Those are 2 big misses for me, along with my credit union's app that I had on my iPhone.
    That wouldn't be such a big deal except on the iPhone app I could deposit a check by snapping a photo of it. Can't do that through the mobile website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seismo View Post
    No American Express app.
    No SiriusXM app.
    Those are 2 big misses for me, along with my credit union's app that I had on my iPhone.
    That wouldn't be such a big deal except on the iPhone app I could deposit a check by snapping a photo of it. Can't do that through the mobile website.
    Those are what I refer to as Tier 2 apps. They're the bulk of any app store, and the ones that are more geared towards individuals as opposed to the tier1 big name apps like Facebook that most phones share in common. The problem with smaller app stores is that there aren't enough tier 2 apps to suit each individual. Like your example. You may want American express. I may want a certain bank. Etc etc.

    Tier 2 apps are the meat and potatoes of an app store. Now surely not every person cares about that. But the majority of people do care. If tier 2 developers don't come to a phone's user base, that app store doesn't grow and that phone doesn't sell widely. If the phone isn't selling widely, the tier 2 developers aren't enticed to come. You can see how this now becomes a catch 22 loop.
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    I love using the "app argument" with friends who use iOS and Android.

    "I just cannot use that phone. There are no good apps. No Xbox Music, no Weave, no Fhotoroom, no HTC Hub, no Microsoft Office. All the apps that I want and use everyday simply aren't available on that phone -- there's no way I can use it!"

    They scramble to explain how there are substitutes, and I say "a copy isn't as good as the real thing."

    Only a few of them get how I'm pulling their leg (and making a point). ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I love using the "app argument" with friends who use iOS and Android.

    "I just cannot use that phone. There are no good apps. No Xbox Music, no Weave, no Fhotoroom, no HTC Hub, no Microsoft Office. All the apps that I want and use everyday simply aren't available on that phone -- there's no way I can use it!"

    They scramble to explain how there are substitutes, and I say "a copy isn't as good as the real thing."

    Only a few of them get how I'm pulling their leg (and making a point). ;)
    That's a bit like saying
    "bro, doesn't your Xbox have Centipede? Space Invaders? Ugh my Atari has that."
    Apart from Office nobody's going to care if you have apps that they have never heard of and have better ones of. And I daresay out of the total sum of smartphone buyers and users, Office on a 4.x" screen isn't topping many priority lists.
    That's like showing up at pre-school with a 'Farby' trying to impress the other kids with a Furby :D
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    80-90% of apps for every ecosystem is garbage. So even with WP "small" offerings that leaves about 25K good apps. That's good. How many do we need? Geez. With that said, even the most popular apps, like Facebook, aren't as good on WP compared to other platforms but it's improving.
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    very true...we who use WP are never bothered about it...they dun have some cool apps which WP has...why people dun write about tht...these people with fixation of app sucks including my best friends...people are so fool that they want to spend **** of money for cheap plastic like SG 3 or lest innovative and useful crapple phone....hope this trend changes with WP8 phones...the biggest obstacle in selling WP is carrier representatives...they dun knw anything about WP...they will keep promoting android...y cant people see tht when android or ios came to market they had very few apps...it took android 4 years to increase app store at this level...its damn frustrating to see...nokia should adopt low price point strategy for india and china like they did in US to increase sales...Lumia 620 looks best for penetrating emerging market...hope they launch high end 920 with reasonable price and not crapple price...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_J View Post
    I need Adobe PDF Reader ASAP

    Microsoft version is very basic
    its been updated recently and its really fast now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blake View Post
    I think there might be other factors involved in quantity of devices sold. I would say that investment in ecosystem, availability of devices (Spec Wars), sales reps opinions, even things like WIFI tethering being free when hacked on Android device, their are many more and they all play a part in device sales. Saying that if people don't buy WP's its just because of apps is an unrealistic view. IMHO
    Sales reps view my foot...dun give damn about what they think...WIFI tethering is ther on WP without doing any hacks or jailbreaks...the main reason people not buying is app...every review u read..pros will be all features and cons will be lesser apps...wht kind of reviewers bloggers we have today everyone knows....people like u with limited knowledge about platform are the reason...thts y the name comes isheep...they just follow others...dun think whts good...iphone is nothing but a status symbol kind of thing...people buy it to show off..Nokia came with ultimate model 920...u go n read every review written for it...cons is only less apps..
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    That's a bit like saying
    "bro, doesn't your Xbox have Centipede? Space Invaders? Ugh my Atari has that."
    Actually, in the 1980s, an argument against purchasing a Nintendo Entertainment System would have been "does it have Centipede? Space Invaders? Pac Man? No? Then it doesn't have the apps I need."

    That's like showing up at pre-school with a 'Farby' trying to impress the other kids with a Furby :D
    No, it's simply pointing out that the arguments about "app availability" are one-sided. When a popular and important app isn't available for Android or iOS, it's dismissed as "not important." Whereas, missing the latest Kardashian app means a phone is "not viable."
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