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  1. Dave Blake's Avatar
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    We seam to get a lot of threads about why an Android/iPhone user doesn't like Windows Phone. From Windows Phone users that are messing features from their old OS. These threads have the same theme and the same content so here is the Official thread for these types of posts. Warning if you don't like the content of this thread please skip it. This thread will be monitored unnecessary content will be removed.

    If you can't post in a civil manner or if you insist on making post that are in violation of the forum rules (arguing) don't bother to post in this thread. Infractions will be handed out when necessary.

    It is my hope that this community can have a civil debate of the facts good and bad in WP8. Maybe if we show our common concern of missing features in Windows Phone 8 we can help give Microsoft a roadmap of the features this community wants.

    Why PART 2? Because part one became a mess filled with unwanted content that did not represent the nature of the WPC community. We will do better this time.

    Do you have some good things to say about WP8 join us in this thread to talk about those positives:

    http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-...ml#post1837562
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    My biggest gripes with Windows Phone is the lack of gapless music playback and the fact that (at least on the Lumia 900) inline headphone controls (stop/skip tracks) don't work (or work sporadically) when the screen is off.

    Any news on these fronts?

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    Nokia's had there own head phones for a while that have the inline controls
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    Inline controls are fragmented across manufacturers, there's nothing Windows Phone can do to solve that on the software end.
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    No WP8 features other than those in the SDK have been revealed yet. It will all be revealed next monday. On the other hand I don't really notice any gaps in playback on my HD7, only when streaming with Xbox music pass and even thats rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryNil View Post
    Inline controls are fragmented across manufacturers, there's nothing Windows Phone can do to solve that on the software end.
    I have them. They don't work when the lumia screen is off.

    As for gapless it is very noticeable for those who listen to live music. Almost a dealbreaker for me honestly. Would entertain the thought of an iPhone if it isn't in WP8
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    I'm one of those who likes to listen to music albums. Gapless playback would be sweet.
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    I would love gapless playback. There are a few albums I have where one song leads into the next and its kind of annoying when there is a pause and there shouldn't be.

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    I'm also really hoping for gapless music playback. I'm seriously thinking of switching from iPhone to WP8, but without gapless playback I'm not so sure anymore. I use my phone for a lot of music playback both in and out of my car and the bulk of the music I listen to is live so these "gaps" basically ruin the experience.

    It's hard to believe that no one knows the answer to this yet! Well, just a few more days to wait now I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red grenadine View Post
    I have them. They don't work when the lumia screen is off.
    I must have misunderstood the problem. That's definitely an issue, though I'm not sure if that's on Microsoft's end. Could be Nokia's.

    Quote Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post
    On the other hand I don't really notice any gaps in playback on my HD7, only when streaming with Xbox music pass and even thats rare.
    It's pretty obvious if you listen to albums where the songs flow into each other.
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    Now that the WP8 is released, can anyone test this out and report back? ** much appreciated ** :D
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    There is now a way to scrub through the track on Windows 8 Xbox Music, similar to Zune on Win7. Don't see why WP8 wouldn't have it either. As for gapless playback though, still nada I'm afraid :(

    "Fortune cookie said: 'Outlook not so good'. I said: 'Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway'."
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    Can't believe they've overlooked gapless again
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    If this is indeed true, it's really disappointing. There really isn't an excuse for this, is just sloppy work. It renders the music player useless for listening to many different types of music.

    Can anyone with an actual WP8 phone comment? While I'm sure the Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are close I'm sure their not exact.
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    Disclaimer: Emotions tend to get heated when comparing OS's for whatever reason. I am simply looking to compare features, or lack thereof, to give myself, and perhaps other users insight on whether or not to go with WP8 and what they may (but hopefully may NOT) be missing.

    Let's face it. The informed shopper compares the OS first, then perhaps the hardware, and then makes a purchase. It is not uncommon to hear any one OS to be compared to another. There were a few features that I don't *think* WP8 has incorporated yet that I wanted to bring to light. Please feel free to confirm or correct me, and add to this too. Feel free, also, to add features that WP8 has that others might not.

    Lacking:
    SMS sound customization per contact (I don't believe the same is true with ringtones?)

    Notification center: While live tiles are wonderful, there doesn't seem to be a way of notifying the user of a specific alert unless there is a live tile for it. Furthermore, even WITH said alert, the user still has to tap the live tile, effectively opening the app, to see what the alert was for. This is less than optimal in multiple cases, such as emails, texts, etc. Not only do I not know who is texting me (in the case that I am getting multiple texts "simultaneously"), I can't see the texts easily, to decide whether or not they are worth my time now, or later.

    Call control - I can't block numbers, or simply make the device not pull alerts during certain hours. Android has had this for quite some time (through third party control) and iOS just got it with their "do not disturb" option.

    Support - I didn't know what else to call it... but saying it lacks support is a gross overstatement. What I mean here is that WP7 was essentially "dropped". I am sure people here will argue that 7.8 is coming, etc., but 7.8 is not 8.0. While that may be an easy pill to swallow for those who got WP7 devices around launch, and have enjoyed many updates since, it's less easy for those who have picked up a WP7 device within the last year or less. The Lumia 900 is a good example of this. A flagship device with a virtual EOL in about half a year. Yes, I know, 7.8! But app development won't be nearly the same for those devices as it is for 8.x devices, and who knows if they will see much of anything past 7.8. o the question is, do we worry about Microsoft "reinventing" the OS every two years? I feel like that hurts the brand

    Excelling:
    Live Tiles - I know I just shared some gripes about notifications, but the info it does give you is very good.

    Social Networking - Ties in with live tiles (a bit). But this is probably where WP excels the most over the rest. Why? Because it wasn't an afterthought, like it was with those other OS.

    Desktop OS integration - This remains to be seen, but after using windows 8 for a little while, I am confident that WP8 will tie in extremely nicely. They were made for each other. No other OS can come anywhere close.
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    Multiple thread/message deletion in SMS. This drives me nuts. Why can't i turn on a toggle and delete multiple messages in my SMS... Even dumb phones have this feature. I love my windows phone but the lack of that ONE feature is starting to drive me nuts to the point where I'm gonna switch.

    ...ok. I'm bluffing... but I do hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dethzilla View Post
    Multiple thread/message deletion in SMS. This drives me nuts. Why can't i turn on a toggle and delete multiple messages in my SMS... Even dumb phones have this feature. I love my windows phone but the lack of that ONE feature is starting to drive me nuts to the point where I'm gonna switch.



    ...ok. I'm bluffing... but I do hate it.
    Come on, just get over it and delete the whole damn thread. This should only be a problem if you have something to hide from someone. Removing single messages so the gf doesn't see? Deleting the whole thread might look suspicious if she uses your phone once in a while eh?
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    Volume>>>>Vibrate>>>Silent via the volume keys.
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    Voice assistant & speech-to-text in any text box, comparable to Google Now or Siri. I can't believe how lazy MS has been with their voice implementation.
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    Proper CDMA coding and encryption is what is seriously missing. 256bit encryption is seven years obsolete as Qualcomm says. Verizon got three devices undercoded and underencrypted, and that is why no other CDMA carrier in the US will not touch WP8 until Microsoft adds proper coding and encryption that CDMA carriers require.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstness View Post
    Voice assistant & speech-to-text in any text box, comparable to Google Now or Siri. I can't believe how lazy MS has been with their voice implementation.
    In this particular case, MS doesn't control the OEM's where as Apple makes both the hardware and software; i.e. total control. Google doesn't make a phone but does control the Nexus line.

    When MS starts making the Surface phone, you will see more variety and control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aximtreo View Post
    In this particular case, MS doesn't control the OEM's where as Apple makes both the hardware and software; i.e. total control. Google doesn't make a phone but does control the Nexus line.

    When MS starts making the Surface phone, you will see more variety and control.
    I thought one of the features of WP8 was that it was free from carrier interference like the iPhone. All carriers can do is install some apps which you can easily remove. Updates to WP8 are even controlled by Microsoft. From what I can see MS is fully to blame for the poor voice features in WP8.
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    Text re-flow in the browser damnit!!
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    Anyone know, do the notification alerts still trying to make you go deaf by blasting at full volume when you're talking on the phone?
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    Notification Center
    It seems that this is something they wanted to do but couldn't in time for launch so if that is a deal breaker for anyone maybe hold off switching till WP8.5. Personally I have no need for a unified notification center especially with the addition of the resizable tiles. Also 1 thing i never understood is why it's so hard to just open messages or email to look at a message, if you don't have long enough to open an app how can you even read a message?
    Call Control
    As far a call blocking goes on Verizon you can block any number you want on their website portal, not sure if this is the same for every carrier, but it has always worked well for me.
    OS Support
    Daniel talked about this in his review of WP8 He talks about how WP7 was built on the Windows CE kernel which is like ancient, and how they needed to make the switch to the NT kernel which is what Windows 8 is built on. So not only does that really help the development side by having so much shareable code for the Windows/WP teams it allows 3rd party developers to also share code. So even if a dev isn't interested in making a WP app but they do need to make one for Windows 8 there is little reason not to make it for WP because they can reuse so much of the code. So now that WP is built on the current kernel rather than the legacy one you can feel safe that there wont be a change for a while. I encourage you to check out Daniel's post because he's a lot smarter than me and explains it a lot better:P
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