- 12-24-2012, 05:02 AM #30
a) Nothing is ever completely future proof. WP8 hardware certainly isn't either.
b) WP7 wasn't executed in a runtime environment! WP7 was layered over an evolved version of Win CE. Nothing about it is outdated, as it continues to be MS's only real time OS. MS continues to offer newer versions of it, currently at 7.0, which has support for 256 cores... more than WP8 supports today BTW.
c) The reasons WP8 didn't come to WP7 hardware has nothing to do with compatibility or not having been future proof. Unfortunately, claiming so is a popular excuse made by many who don't know better. Microsoft has never admitted to such a problem themselves, and never will as it is simply false (see the link in my last post for more on this)
12-25-2012, 06:45 AM #31
- 27 Posts
Well of course nothing is COMPLETELY future proof, nor have I stated it anywhere. We are speaking in the context of smartphone market, and for the future, wp8 is at least on pair with their competitors.
Of course Win CE is still supported, its used on millions of devices not related to smartphone market. Again, we are talking about smartphones, not computing on general.
- 12-26-2012, 04:40 AM #32
I'm saying WP8 isn't future proof in the sense you are implying, mainly because you (and others) are considering nothing but technical feasibility, when Microsoft must consider far more than just that. In other words, even if WP8 devices are capable of running WP9, it doesn't necessarily mean they will. Microsoft's first ports of the NT kernel ran perfectly well on WP7 hardware, even on 1st generation WP7 hardware. Microsoft could have brought WP8 to WP7 devices if they felt that was in everyone's best interest, but it isn't. Why assume Microsoft will do something different for WP8 and WP9?
Your argument of WP8 being "future proof enough" to run WP9 is the same thing people were saying about WP7 and WP8 a year ago. It wasn't true then and it isn't now.
My main point is simply that the use of Win CE had nothing to do with the fact that WP8 wasn't made available for WP7 devices, and neither did it have any influence on Microsoft's policy of strict hardware standardization. That policy continues today even without Win CE (at least up until now... I can't guarantee Microsoft will never change that policy).
- 12-26-2012, 05:31 AM #33
But as its been told before, next OS versions are not going to see a kernel change. They will be features and fixes released OTA. When features are hardware dependent,WP8 won't get it.
As far as hardware goes, I don't see what new evolutionary technology will come in two years to not have WP10 on my Lumia.I close threads to save cats.
The way not everyone can have their own loaf of bread, not everyone should create a new thread!
...and then God said, let there be a search button and there was a huge one on top!
12-26-2012, 05:32 AM #34
- 64 Posts
From what I read wp7 was based on some older mobile windows (not sure which one now sorry), while wp8 is based on the same kernel as windows8. It was a huge leap and I think the main reason why they decided to "cut off" from wp7, but I wouldnt worry about them doing this sort of thing anytime soon.
During some conference it was mentioned that each application will have a continued support of X time, where I forgot what X was :P
- 12-26-2012, 10:46 AM #36
The same is true for WP8 of course. The only difference is that the ROM files are distributed OTA instead of through Zune.
The only updates that go through without a ROM flash are those you get from the marketplace/store.
This is all related to Microsoft's strategy of keeping WP a strictly standardized platform (platform = hardware and software).
- 12-26-2012, 11:51 AM #37
One Answer Battery Life! Look at the past Android devices and how they literally drained the battery in a few hours or less when being used! That's what you get for not setting a standard! I do not blame Microsoft for this way of thinking. If you wanted to have a phone to do everything why not just walk around with a laptop in your pocket? believe it or not to a lot of people these are just phones and nothing more... I agree with the earlier post regarding user experience! Apple's greatest success is they actually overly consider the user experience with everything and is why they are so reluctant to scrutinize what goes in their App stores! As some of us are Windows Power users both Desktop and Phone we want to push the limits but you cannot have it all if so many others are not that interested in spending more then a few hundred bucks on a new phone upgrade...
I will admit I was one of those guys who always got uptight with OEM's not adding keenest hardware to these mobile devices but over time I have learned I can always just buy out right whatever I wanted just to keep myself amused! I own a Lumia 920 and if I get bored with it I will just buy an Android just for fun because I can and that calms me down about waiting for a new phone release... It's easier for me since I am on AT&T just swap out the sim...
The thing is your never going to be satisfied for very long since the OEMs want you to toss your phone out every 2 years otherwise they loose huge money and of course it's a tug of war effect... We have to upgrade or they stop delivering and either way they are not going to release some mega phone just to make 25% of the market happy when the other 75% doesn't really want to be always charging their phones....
Just my two cents...
12-26-2012, 01:03 PM #38
- 92 Posts
Besides the excellent Google Maps, why would anyone want to upgrade to the latest Android device?
12-29-2012, 01:17 PM #39
- 8 Posts
If MS sets the upper limit of hardware, does this also include max MP of camera, is that the reason to why Nokia only put 8.7MP camera in 920 compared to the 41MP in the 808.
I always thought that it was due to WP7/8 limitation, and not supporting that high MP
- 12-29-2012, 04:36 PM #41
The Qualcomm S4 SoC used in WP devices is limited to processing pictures no larger than 20 MP however.
I don't know why Nokia chose a 8.7 MP instead of a 20 MP sensor. Maybe they couldn't float a sensor of that size for OIS? I don't know... your guess is as good as mine...
- 12-29-2012, 05:03 PM #42
For me all windows phones should have a minimum of 8gb internal storage. Not 4gb which makes the phone useless as you can only install like 5 apps. Even for budget phones it should be 8gb. It's a smart phone at the end of the day.
12-29-2012, 05:30 PM #43
- 60 Posts
apple iphone 5's processor is like 1.4 ghz? from what i know it almost never laggs,
wp8 phones are 1.5ghz. my phone so far hasnt lagged, never on the homescreen or apps list.
SG3 and other android devices 1.7ghz maybe even more, despite the numbers, these are the phones i felt most lagged, when i did something like scroll through the homescreen tabs even.
im thinking ghz are like megapixels, you can have the highest number of them all, but if you dont use it right, its practically useless...
hopefully that makes sense i dont know if i answered anything though
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