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    There seems to be a lot of focus on third-party apps that are popular on iOS and Android, but I wonder where the popular apps from Microsoft are hiding.

    * Skype - I'm not certain why this is stuck in beta when competing platforms have had updates to their already official apps. It is frustrating to have a buggy, battery draining app...FROM MICROSOFT...on my Microsoft powered phone. It's also behind in features; I can't even send a photo in an instant message.
    * Photosynth - it's like deja vu' from my WP7 days; I can this great app in use on all other platforms, but it is nowhere to be found on my platform. Again, both the app and the left out platform are owned by Microsoft, so it doesn't really make sense.

    Those are the two biggest (and most embarrassing) omissions from Windows Phone 8, at this point. There are also apps that I think Microsoft should make that do not exist, like:

    * Basic Video Editing - both Android and iPhone have basic editing apps. I don't want a full on NLE on my phone, but I would like to trim the clips at the front and back. I'd also like to be able to add some text over the video and on a title page. Taking still pictures and making slideshows would be great along with the ability to put a voiceover or music track on the project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalydose View Post
    Skype - I'm not certain why this is stuck in beta when competing platforms have had updates to their already official apps.
    Really? It's only been a few months since the OS itself was released to manufacturing, and you can't figure out why an application that depends on the released version of the OS is still in beta?

    Huh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    Really? It's only been a few months since the OS itself was released to manufacturing, and you can't figure out why an application that depends on the released version of the OS is still in beta?

    Huh.
    Um, YES really? I'm not talking about a random developer who had to wait for an SDK and a test device, I'm talking about the manufacturer of the device and the operating system. In fact, there ARE third party developers who have apps out that can do voice, video and fileshare...why can't Microsoft get it done? I think it's because they are exhibiting the same behavior that they fight against - focusing on the bigger user bases of iOS and Android. They're putting more resources into making sure that those platforms get every single Microsoft branded app (Photosynth, SkyDrive, OFFICE, Xbox Entertainment, Xbox Games, Skype) all while treating their own platform as a "we'll get to it" project.

    huh...indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalydose View Post
    * Basic Video Editing - both Android and iPhone have basic editing apps. I don't want a full on NLE on my phone, but I would like to trim the clips at the front and back. I'd also like to be able to add some text over the video and on a title page. Taking still pictures and making slideshows would be great along with the ability to put a voiceover or music track on the project.
    I agree. I think MS could put together a basic video editing app.

    See, everyone who has a complaint about Windows Phone 8? This guy has an idea, a valid criticism, without bashing or being a a d*ck about it. I wish everyone who posted on this forum could make suggestions that are rational and make sense like you did.
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    I can certainly understand your frustration, but you need to realize that Photosynth and Skype are managed by dedicated development teams. Yes, they belong to the Microsoft division, but they have their product priorities that focus on the betterment of their respective products. They are working on the WP8 version, and should have it out shortly. I also don't think they received the SDK any earlier just because they are part of the same company. Even if they did receive it earlier, the development needs to get slotted into their timelines, priorities and development schedules. For them, WP8 is another platform to support, and they assign resources to it as it fits their overall project goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalydose View Post
    Um, YES really? I'm not talking about a random developer who had to wait for an SDK and a test device, I'm talking about the manufacturer of the device and the operating system.
    ...who just had to push and focus their energies on getting the OS itself out. Also, please note this from the Skype website: "Founded in 2003 and headquartered in Luxembourg, Skype is a division of Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ: MSFT)." It's not like Skype is in the office next to the WP OS team; for all intents and purposes they're just a third-party developer with a "in" at Microsoft because Microsoft owns them.

    You should really apply some critical thought before you turn into a green rage monster over it.
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    This is simple. They've had years to develop for other platforms without a totally revolutionary change. WP8 is really entirely new, and its been complete for just a few months. These things will all be fine.

    Personally, I wish Microsoft had never released WP7... and just skipped to immediately develop what became WP8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    Really? It's only been a few months since the OS itself was released to manufacturing, and you can't figure out why an application that depends on the released version of the OS is still in beta?

    Huh.
    Ah, the apologist appears.

    Look, dude, it's great that you have the patience of Job when it comes to Microsoft. But the cold, hard reality is that iOS and Android have ecosystems that are mature and relatively free of compromise. We all love WP here for whatever reason (I love the UI and the overall aesthetic) but that doesn't mean we have to ignore the shortcomings and feature/app omissions that currently exist.
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    How long has ios and android been out? when the iphone first came out things weren't so peachy for years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimateone View Post
    How long has ios and android been out? when the iphone first came out things weren't so peachy for years!
    When you are 5 years late to the party and struggling to gain 1% of the market share, IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH to MATCH competitor issues from 3 years ago, YOU NEED TO RAISE THE BAR.

    iPhone had a luxury of being first, WP needs to push the bar, not drag it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR8 View Post
    Ah, the apologist appears.
    Yeah, I'm an apologist. You're funny. :)

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR8 View Post
    But the cold, hard reality is that iOS and Android have ecosystems that are mature and relatively free of compromise.
    ...so? What does that have to do with the original issue? It takes time to develop and test applications; THAT is the cold, hard reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiiiiiiiii View Post
    When you are 5 years late to the party and struggling to gain 1% of the market share, IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH to MATCH competitor issues from 3 years ago, YOU NEED TO RAISE THE BAR.
    It's really easy to come onto an anonymous forum on the internet and spout off stuff like that. Are you a software developer? A project manager? Anything that would give you the sand to throw out comments like that willy-nilly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    Are you a software developer? A project manager? Anything that would give you the sand to throw out comments like that willy-nilly?
    Oh, sorry, next time I criticize a phone for crappy camera or bad design, I'll be sure to get a master's degree in design and engineering first, so your **** is no longer hurt, ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiiiiiiiii View Post
    When you are 5 years late to the party and struggling to gain 1% of the market share, IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH to MATCH competitor issues from 3 years ago, YOU NEED TO RAISE THE BAR.

    iPhone had a luxury of being first, WP needs to push the bar, not drag it.
    Rome was not built in a day. Microsoft chose to build a throwaway version of Windows Phone (7) in order to get in the game immediately when they realized it would take longer to get what they wanted WP8, out the door. Being late to the party with their own OS, Microsoft's apps on other platforms took precedence... that's where the people are, and they've had a lot longer to build out those apps. It would be one thing if Microsoft had some key app that if withheld from the other platforms or made superior on WP, would draw users to windows phone. That's not quite the case... the closest thing is Office... and it was on WP first (and still not on others yet, although maybe soon).

    Microsoft raised a few bars with a dedicated camera button (which iOS later sort of copied), live tiles, a near chromeless interface, integrated facebook and messenger chat (before others had it), earlier recognition of the importance of facebook integration/sharing... and now kid's corner. You can't raise all bars similtaneously. Some things will be superior to competition, others inferior... developers only have so much time. Rome wasn't built in a day.

    Every parent I've shown kids corner considers it a VERY compelling feature... but you don't cry about how inferior iOS and android are for lacking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimateone View Post
    How long has ios and android been out? when the iphone first came out things weren't so peachy for years!
    Windows has been on phones since well before Android and iphone. That MS had to scrap what they had and redesign it from the ground up is their own internal problem and their own fault.

    -E
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    My two cents:
    Maybe WP8 is new and with the late SDK other developers are probably working on new apps. However Microsoft isn't a third party developer, they should have had applications and games out that showcase their OS. Apple did that with iMovie, iPhoto or GarageBand, which are amazing apps. Microsoft could also have funded at least one game of Infinity Blade's calibre, they're wasting the Xbox Live brand on casual games (some very good mind you). I've played Infinity Blade and it's boring after 10 minutes but still, whenever people see it for the 1st time, they think "I need an iPhone". No Microsoft application or game gives you that feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiiiiiiiii View Post
    Oh, sorry, next time I criticize a phone for crappy camera or bad design, I'll be sure to get a master's degree in design and engineering first, so your **** is no longer hurt, ok?
    Oh, my **** is not hurt. It's perfectly happy with my Windows Phone, its performance, its abilities, the apps, and the frequency with which updates come. My **** is amused, however, with attitudes and comments like yours. I mean, come on, it must be SO easy for Microsoft to snap their fingers and make everything perfect, right? They're obviously, purposely dragging their feet, right? :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahiti Bob View Post
    However Microsoft isn't a third party developer, they should have had applications and games out that showcase their OS.
    I'm not much of a gamer (Wordament is about as gamey as I get and I'm not very good, heh) so I'll take your word about a lack of games. However, for apps that make the platform shine... Office? OneNote? The People hub with built-in social networking? Those are the apps that made me go, "whoa... maybe I should give WP a serious look."
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    Meh, not enough. OneNote is on other platforms, Office is going the same way soon and built-in social networking has been done by some OEMs before (maybe not as well but still). Believe it or not, "fun" apps attract people way more than productivity apps. If you offer OneNote and say GarageBand, I'm pretty sure the latter will be way more popular.
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    I do agree that Skype could have been a good app to have release with WP8 already completed and out of beta, especially since it's owned by microsoft. you would have gaming, audio/voice calling, and music all ready to go from launch, which would seem logical.

    BUT, like people have said, I'm sure (hopefully?) that they tried to do this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahiti Bob View Post
    Meh, not enough.
    Ok. FWIW, it was for me. I've spent most of my life as an anti-Microsoft guy forced to work in a Microsoft world. Whenever possible I've pushed for alternate desktops (Ubuntu, OS X, whatever), alternate servers (Linux, predominately, and while I could get away with it on web- and fileservers I've never been able to push Exchange and Active Directory out of the way), and *ANYTHING* but Windows Mobile. I started thinking differently with WP7, but Windows 8 Professional and Windows Phone 8 converted me... all on what you're saying is "not enough".

    Not arguing, just talking. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahiti Bob View Post
    Meh, not enough. OneNote is on other platforms,....
    I had android and used the OneNote app. Yes its on all platforms but way better on winphone. It's the main reason I switched and am relieved to say it's better integrated than I hoped, especially sharing notebooks with my wife. I completely underestimated the combo of my drive to automate things like notes and to do lists along with her self discipline of actually using that kind of thing to its fullest potential. No effing way that could have happened just using iphone/android apps!

    You are right though, that's not eye candy enough to grab non technical people's attention like a cool game. However, the Xbox integration will get many casual gamers and users to go to WP8 and will surely keep getting better. It's really fun to have that full Xbox live experience (of which I am brand new in). Didn't they recently report that something like 70 million xboxes have been sold? That's a lot of casual user mindshare to leverage!

    MS has been in gaming way longer than apple, those 'wow' games are surely coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    Ok. FWIW, it was for me. I've spent most of my life as an anti-Microsoft guy forced to work in a Microsoft world. Whenever possible I've pushed for alternate desktops (Ubuntu, OS X, whatever), alternate servers (Linux, predominately, and while I could get away with it on web- and fileservers I've never been able to push Exchange and Active Directory out of the way), and *ANYTHING* but Windows Mobile. I started thinking differently with WP7, but Windows 8 Professional and Windows Phone 8 converted me... all on what you're saying is "not enough".

    Not arguing, just talking. :)
    Yes, I'm saying not enough. It's great that it works out perfectly for you but most consumers don't think about their smartphone as a device for productivity, there's a reason every single store chart is dominated by games and entertainment apps. There's a reason at every Apple WWDC they spend ages on apps like iPhoto, there's a wow factor that unquestionably makes people want to instantly buy your product. Microsoft hasn't provided that (yet?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    ...who just had to push and focus their energies on getting the OS itself out. Also, please note this from the Skype website: "Founded in 2003 and headquartered in Luxembourg, Skype is a division of Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ: MSFT)." It's not like Skype is in the office next to the WP OS team; for all intents and purposes they're just a third-party developer with a "in" at Microsoft because Microsoft owns them.

    You should really apply some critical thought before you turn into a green rage monster over it.
    I think we have different ideas about what a "green rage monster" is. I'm not even "angry" let alone in a "rage". I do think that a company's parts should all be working together for the betterment of the collective parts. Google and Apple are doing it to trash Microsoft and Microsoft should focus on getting their own advantages in top form on their own platform, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    I'm not much of a gamer (Wordament is about as gamey as I get and I'm not very good, heh) so I'll take your word about a lack of games. However, for apps that make the platform shine... Office? OneNote? The People hub with built-in social networking? Those are the apps that made me go, "whoa... maybe I should give WP a serious look."
    Except they give away OneNote and are prepping to offer Office to the competing platforms. This is wasted energy, in my opinion, but at least they were on Windows Phone first, unlike Skype and Photosynth. Those teams should focus on Microsoft platforms first for the betterment of the collective brand.
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