- 12-20-2012, 09:39 AM #26
I don't see the path. If you can logically explain to me how starting this thread will get you to the "promised land" of the changes and features you want, I'll apologize and enthusiastically participate in an honest discussion about Windows Phone's faults.
- 12-20-2012, 09:46 AM #27
That's my point...i really wonder who the **** MSFT had in some of those focus groups. Yes, the OS as is can land many new users, but as Apple's older tech hits new markets but remains well supported and Android's tech gets pushed down into the ultra competitive mid range, MSFT has to emphasize one of its selling points with the OS...ease of use by design by adding in more features that make sense faster. There are many subtle tweaks WP can receive to mature it faster.
- 12-20-2012, 09:55 AM #28
- 12-20-2012, 10:02 AM #29
Thread gets started about what is wrong with WP. Thread has same complaints that have been hashed out over and over. OP swears he's not a troll but serious. People dispute the complaints. OP stays the course. Balls comes in and calls people fanboys and generally serves no purpose. People still dispute. OP starts to get testy in his responses.
Rinse, lather, repeat. It's good to see people sticking with a proven formula.Thanked by:
- 12-20-2012, 10:02 AM #30
Ultimately, I was curious to see if people had seem some of the other things I did, then to see if I need to go write an app or do something else about it. The app issues is well documented, and I'm not here to flog that horse. Based on my usage of the platform and having used iOS and Android at similar levels in their cycle, and given how unforgiving the marketplace is right now, I feel that WP8 should have felt more polished at launch. As a WP user, I know it is different from WP7, and clearly better. But it is much harder to make that distinction to other non WP users who have their mind share rented out by the Apples and Androids of the world. Trust me,I shows my WP off proudly in that I can clearly say why this works for me.
- 12-20-2012, 10:09 AM #31
There are thousands of reasons. But since you seem to know exactly what is needed, I'll look forward to MSFTisMIA's mobile phone operating system.
- 12-20-2012, 10:21 AM #33
The answer is simple, OP... if Microsoft's approach doesn't work for you, use something else.
I advise everyone to pick the OS that works best for them -- out of interest for them being happy, as well as self-interest.
"Self-interest?" you ask.
Yes, self-interest. You see, I use WP because of the UI and consistent style. If Microsoft was to listen to Android and iOS refugees and implement every feature they "miss" from their old-fashioned previous OSes, it would make Windows Phone horrible.
WP would regress to Atari-style desktop-sync cables and iTunes-like software. Blech. It would have seven different volume levels instead of a consistent, logical, single volume control. It would have "customization of the desktop" that would slow down everything and lead to more system compatibility issues and UI issues. It would add all sorts of eye candy that adds nothing to the experience and removes the "authentically digital" UI. It would dumb down certain elements while tarting up other elements.
I don't want that.
If you want a phone that has 47 different controls to resize widgets, allows customization of the system font and desktop, allows you to put photos of Paris Hilton as "wallpaper" on the desktop, and has separate volume settings for every application, sound type and time of day, Android already exists. Go use it. :P
- 12-20-2012, 10:32 AM #36
But hey, it's the internets. People love to ***** and moan about the same things over and over. It's all in good fun, so why not? We love our gadgets, but at the end of the day that's all they are - toys. And we boys will always love our toys (apologies to all the ladiees in da houuse ;)).
- 12-20-2012, 10:43 AM #37
No **** MSFT has to prioritize stuff. They are picking the hardest route...the middle line between an open and moddable OS and a completely closed "you get what we want you to use" OS like Apple. Again, everything I've said, and some of the known issues that are other there are correctable over time. But all I said that with some of these known issues MSFT had an opportunity to address them at a major hardware and software launch and missed the boat.
Again, for all the people who say "pick the OS that works for them" stick, I picked the one that works for me, and I'm making comments about what I think are areas for improvement, just like others have. I'm not posting for approval. I'm posting to see if what I see is worth investing the time in developing for the platform to try and fix issues, and maybe get a dollar out of it. After all, is MSFT is in the business of making money....
- 12-20-2012, 11:08 AM #39
My big boy pants told me to come here and see if making a post here or two for a potential area in the platform is worth my time and investment. Obviously, with such a helpful reminder "that it isn't all about you", I've come to the right place for knowledge and enlightenment. Feel free to drop more "jewels of wisdom" like that on me and my 1 thread post outlook.
- 12-20-2012, 11:20 AM #42
So, jaj324, do you know if microphone + volume control is is a driver issue not supported by the OS itself or is that something a third party like the headphone manufacturer has to develop themselves?
I'm not being facetious here, as I would really like to know the answer if you or anyone else here has it.
- 12-20-2012, 11:28 AM #43
You seem to be a very intelligent person; you are well spoken (written?) and analytical. How can you not see that? Everyone has preferences; I would prefer a 4th tile size, covering a third of the screen (instead of half or all), but I'm would no more say that missing tile size is contributing to the lack of platform adoption than I would fly to the moon.
Again, I'm just using that one item you posted as an example, not basing your entire argument on that one thing.
- 12-20-2012, 11:58 AM #44
Tim, I get you loud and clear. My goal isn't to recreate the wheel and nitpitck completely at stuff that has been said already, in particular the app gap perception and the importance of apps on a whole to a platform's growth. Perhaps they calculated things like how often people change the layout and determined through their numerous focus groups that people don't mess with their layouts often enough to warrant adding that . I'm sure they used iOS and Android phones in their testing for this too. I get that and am not disputing that here. That was a thinking out loud comment, like ultimately this whole post was.
Here's why I draw on the audio driver support for microphone and volume control issue as a point. The trend is that for the past few years, many mid ranged to high end carrier branded phones sold in the US don't include a wired handsfree in the box. If it does, it's not great. Carriers here (or someone else) must have realized that it was cheaper to let people buy what they want to use, probably pushed by the iPhone and a few other devices. I can remember back to the SE w800 and Nokia N91 days where their audio was on point for a feature phone, a key selling point actually. I can also remember to when it took FOREVER for the 3.5mm jack to become standard for all audio needs on most phones. You walk into a store now to buy a wired handsfree for music and many of the styles are "made for iPhone or Android". So it is a driver issue in WP that allows that lack of certification for both volume control and mic on the part of the OS itself or the headset maker? I think it is the OS itself there. If I have to buy one because it is not in the box, is it really me *****ing and moaning about entitlement there or me wanting to be able to use a product fully based on what i am spending on it?
I believe that this support was present in WM6.5. I understand that MSFT blew the whole thing up and started over. Is that an essential feature? Probably not. But in an age where WP is an OS playing catch up as it tires to gain more marketshare, MSFT should be looking to add more features timely that ties into the overall strengths and selling points of the OS to make it appealing to more people across a broader range. I know they know what they are know at Redmond, but they cannot take the gradual update in increments approach.
12-20-2012, 12:31 PM #46
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I would just like to point out that ever OS lacks "polish" if we want to be picky. I have 5 friends who had freezing iPhone 5's at launch, with camera and hardware deficiencies. Nothing in the technological world is perfect, but Windows Phone (and Windows 8) are mighty damn close. Microsoft also has a pretty impressive track record, even if sales haven't always supported it. Zune was fantastic, the Xbox became the #1 system in the world, Windows has dominated the computer market for decades, Office.. the list goes on. I trust this company more than I trust one which resorts to code stealing or childish tactics.
- 12-20-2012, 12:52 PM #48
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