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    I read somewhere that I can share my music pass with up to 4 devices. I figured this is referring to computers but can I share my music pass with another WP owner?
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    Nope, I looked into this and found that 'it's intended for one id'.

    Also was disappointed in the new Xbox music in general so am waiting for it to improve. My wife and I are using rhapsody instead. One account, can access via both winphones, Xbox, AND windows 7 pcs. That Xbox music isn't for win7 or even browser version absolutely baffles me. That to me is the evidence that ms releases this about half done and I'm hoping they get it right.
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    You have to share your primary WindowsLiveID with that person and they need to setup their WP using that ID as primary. At one point, I created a WindowsID that my entire family shared. It had the Xbox Live Gold and Zune Pass on it. We could all share the pass and a calendar which was nice, but we were also sharing buy default the XBox ID...which go real annoying when my son's friends would blow up my phone, Xbox account with requests.

    I have since changed back to standard config...but if you want to look...here's the article I used
    How To Share Your Zune Pass Safely with a Family Member on Windows Phone 7 and Zune HD
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    I was disappointed as well. We ended up getting 2 passes since we really heavily use it, but it does stink...

    I will have to disagree with nathan though...we LOVE it. I don't listen to mainstream music and it has never failed me when I have gone to look for an artist.
    I have gone and updated all our PCs to Windows 8 however. We have 3 Xbox 360s, 2 Desktops, 1 Zune, 2 Surfaces, and 2 Lumia 920s all connected and it really has been great...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartrthanu View Post
    You have to share your primary WindowsLiveID with that person and they need to setup their WP using that ID as primary. At one point, I created a WindowsID that my entire family shared. It had the Xbox Live Gold and Zune Pass on it. We could all share the pass and a calendar which was nice, but we were also sharing buy default the XBox ID...which go real annoying when my son's friends would blow up my phone, Xbox account with requests.

    I have since changed back to standard config...but if you want to look...here's the article I used
    How To Share Your Zune Pass Safely with a Family Member on Windows Phone 7 and Zune HD
    When we had our 900s we did the same thing. My wife HATED the fact that she couldn't have her gamer tag, scores, etc on her device. If you don't use the xbox live piece much however it is a simple solution.
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    EDIT: Removed info about sharing xbox pass...
    Last edited by tk-093; 12-19-2012 at 02:19 PM.
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    Here goes another thread of people bragging about stealing intellectual property....
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    Here goes another thread of people bragging about stealing intellectual property....
    How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hopmedic View Post
    Here goes another thread of people bragging about stealing intellectual property....
    Microsoft allows up to 3 devices to be connected to 1 live account.

    I haven't seen anything to suggest that the rules are different for Xbox Music.
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    Because now that the question has been asked, despite the illegality of it, people are going to swarm to the thread to tell you how to do it. Don't get me wrong, your question is a legitimate question for someone who doesn't realize it, but the terms of use for a Microsoft account include a clause that bars you (the end user) from allowing anyone else access to that account. There's the first hit - people will tell you how to share an account, as they have already done, above.

    Second, music (or software, or any number of other forms of media... movies...) is intellectual property that is owned by its creator. The purchaser does not "own" a copy of that IP (intellectual property) to do with what they wish (unless specified). When you purchase it, you are purchasing (in most cases) the "rights" that are described in the agreement, which is a legally binding agreement between the purchaser and the creator (or publisher, what have you). I don't know the specifics of XBox Music's license, since I don't use it, but I'll use Windows Phone Store apps as an example, since I develop them. In the case of those, the license grants you the right to install the app on up to five devices. Now in order to install the app, you have to user your account, which means that they are devices that you are using, since letting someone else use them (and therefore access your account) violates Microsoft's terms of use. Generally, the purpose for this five device limit was to be in the case of devices that were replaced, upgraded, stolen, what have you. Not for sharing devices with others (as that violates the terms of use).

    Violating the terms of the license that you agreed to when you purchased the IP can result in severe civil and criminal penalties. Civil penalties can be up to $150,000 per infringed work, and criminal penalties can be up to $250,000 and jail terms of up to five years (in the US).

    No, I'm not saying that you're going to go to jail, but think about this. Developers invest a lot of time, energy, and often money into the apps they create. Musicians do the same with their songs. Movies..... You get the idea. They do this with the hope of realizing a return on their investment. By stealing a song, an app, a movie, you are taking from that IP creator something that you do not own. When you're talking about a $0.99 song or a $1.99 app.... How much is that compared to what you give to the phone company for the phones (plural, since you're talking about sharing) that you carry around?

    Is what we have the best possible scenario? No. Perhaps there should be a family plan. Perhaps that is something Microsoft should consider. Given that it sounds like a lot of people from iOS (I haven't heard of talk about this on Android, but it wouldn't surprise me that it's there, too) do share accounts, I suspect that this subject is just going to get more and more attention. If the agreement between the purchaser and the seller allowed for sharing, then this would be a non-issue. But given the climate that the music and movie industry has created, I doubt we'll see that... Though I could be wrong. With apps, however, it's a different ballgame. There is no "app developer industry association" so basically Microsoft could muscle the developers and change the agreement they have with them. Then they could change the agreement that they have with users, and allow sharing between family members. But in muscling the developers, you may see developers leave, and Microsoft doesn't want that, do they?

    As a developer, I don't think I'd take too kindly to the super monster software conglomerate telling me that from now on I get one purchase price (of which they already take 30%) for the sale of my app to a whole family, where I had been getting it from each person who wanted my app. My response would probably be along the lines of "just who do you think you are that you think you can tell me what I am allowed to sell my apps for, and under what conditions???" Then I turn all my apps into free apps (so MS doesn't get a dime) and switch to an in-app purchase model, where you can go install the app as many places as you want, but each instance has to be paid for or it won't work. Yeah, I don't think that'll go over too well. Besides, Microsoft isn't in the muscle business.

    Someone else posted a comment that I really liked, and I'm open to the idea. Create a family plan, where you pay more than the single price, perhaps double price, and you're allowed to install to anyone in your family's phone, given limitations that are still open to discussion. Limitations such as who counts as a family member, how many family members are allowed as a maximum, and so forth. The suggestion that I threw into that discussion as a limitation was that since MS already has the Family Security program, whatever it's called, they already have framework of parent/child relationships. With that in mind, and given that those parents are allowed to see the child web surfing history and such, you could say make a family only allowed to have two adults, and x number of children, and the child accounts would be fully open to be seen by the parent accounts (discourages you from sharing with Joe the neighbor as a child, if he doesn't want you to see his history).

    I'm not a lawyer, so don't expect that this is a comprehensive overview, but just the words of some guy, who knows the subject better than the average Joe, because knowing this stuff is in my interest, and I've done the best I can to make it understandable, even though I may not know all of the caveats.

    Now here come the trolls to berate me, once again, because I want to live in the utopia of people actually obeying the law, and respecting other people's property - even their intellectual property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figure 8 Dash View Post
    Microsoft allows up to 3 devices to be connected to 1 live account.

    I haven't seen anything to suggest that the rules are different for Xbox Music.
    What they don't allow is for you to allow someone other than yourself to access your account. And your number is wrong.
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    You know, you're right. XBox Music pass is designed for one person. About Xbox Music Pass | Xbox Music Pass - Xbox.com

    No matter if I agree with that or not, it's breaking the TOS. I've removed my comments about it.
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    Yet we have kids corner! That goes against the tos too ya know. Your letting your kid use your Xbox live account. Ya didn't think of that did ya. And I already dealt with ms about my wife not being able to use it cuz we have a family gold account. Guess what they suggested. Just have her use yours. From what I understood they are thinking of fixing it so Xbox families pay one price and all can use music pass. Bet it saves some money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgraves4480 View Post
    Yet we have kids corner! That goes against the tos too ya know.
    It does? I highly doubt that. It's the same device. Totally different situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hopmedic View Post
    What they don't allow is for you to allow someone other than yourself to access your account. And your number is wrong.
    Thank you for the clarification. I assumed the multiple devices mentioned was similar to netflix. Looks like I'll be buying someone an Xbox music pass for Christmas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast of Haeven View Post
    Thank you for the clarification. I assumed the multiple devices mentioned was similar to netflix. Looks like I'll be buying someone an Xbox music pass for Christmas!
    Now, to play Devil's advocate... Though if you're the one person paying both the cell phone bills, are they not both your phones then? An XBox is not always going to be used by one person. Am I the only one who is allowed to listen to my XBox Music Pass on my XBox? Do I kick my wife and kids out of the room when I want to listen to music? Are they not allowed to use that channel on XBox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hopmedic View Post
    What they don't allow is for you to allow someone other than yourself to access your account. And your number is wrong.
    Can you specify that in the TOS?

    Although one Live ID can be linked to 5 phones, the Zune Pass only works on 3 devices. Again, I'm not sure about Xbox Music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figure 8 Dash View Post
    Can you specify that in the TOS?

    And I have 3 devices linked to my Live ID (the limit). Other countries have different limitations.
    I assume it's in the TOS, but I'm at work and we block that site... About Xbox Music Pass | Xbox Music Pass - Xbox.com

    Note Your Xbox Music Pass is for your personal and non-commercial use only. It is designed to be used by only one person. Content, offerings, features, and functions may vary depending on your country or region. For more, see the Xbox Live Terms of Use.

    UPDATE: Though 'designed to be used for one person' doesn't mean can only be used by one person...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast of Haeven View Post
    I read somewhere that I can share my music pass with up to 4 devices. I figured this is referring to computers but can I share my music pass with another WP owner?
    Ms would not do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk-093 View Post
    I assume it's in the TOS, but I'm at work and we block that site... About Xbox Music Pass | Xbox Music Pass - Xbox.com




    UPDATE: Though 'designed to be used for one person' doesn't mean can only be used by one person...
    Thanks. I saw the Zune license terms of service but I didn't think that was the right one.
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    I share my Netflix account with a couple of friends. I don't make money from it... I merely think that it would be a waste to see it not being used to it's full potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figure 8 Dash View Post
    Can you specify that in the TOS?

    Although one Live ID can be linked to 5 phones, the Zune Pass only works on 3 devices. Again, I'm not sure about Xbox Music.
    You're right for Zune. When I was discussing, I said I didn't know the TOS of XBox Music, so I was using Windows Phone Store, but yes, that was the post prior to my reply to you.... But my brain was still on apps. Sorry. But looking it up on XBox Live TOS (which the Music Pass links to as being the TOS for Music Pass), it does say 5 Windows Phone Devices. I don't see anything about other devices (because that paragraph is specifically talking about apps). It seems to do a pretty poor job of addressing the Music Pass, IMO. But here are a few things you cannot do:
    resell or redistribute any part of the Services or access to the Services, including the sale or purchase of an account and/or Microsoft Points;
    use or attempt to use any unauthorized means to modify, reroute, or gain access to the Services;
    obtain (or try to obtain) any data from the Services or related hardware, except the data that we intend to make available to you;

    I'm thinking sharing your account means that someone else is using an unauthorized means to gain access to the services, since the TOS of a Microsoft account prohibits letting someone else use your account. And if you obtain (or try to obtain) services that you didn't pay for, then Microsoft didn't intend to make them available to you.

    1.10. How can I use the Services? You agree that the Services are only for your personal use, and you will not use the Services, any content available on the Services, or your account, for any commercial purpose. You may only access the Services with an Authorized Device or by logging into your account online. You may be unable to use the Services outside the country associated with your account ("Territory"). You may not sell, assign, or otherwise transfer your account to another person. You must keep your accounts and passwords confidential and not authorize any third party to access or use the Services on your behalf unless we provide an approved mechanism. You must contact Customer Support immediately if you suspect misuse of your accounts or any security breach in the Services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Supes View Post
    I share my Netflix account with a couple of friends. I don't make money from it... I merely think that it would be a waste to see it not being used to it's full potential.
    And what you're doing is breaking the law. You're violating the Netflix TOS, and to use the content outside of the TOS is theft. This one's even more cut and dry than the family sharing, which, admittedly with an XBox in play, has some gray to it if you want my opinion. Your friends using your Netflix account is stealing, and the penalty is up to $150,000 per infringed work in a civil court, and $250,000 and 5 years in jail if it were to go to criminal charges. And do NOT think that the movie industry wouldn't pursue something even as "innocent" as you think this might be. They've got a history of it. Not using it to its "full potential," as you put it, is costing Netflix potential customers. Why would they pay when they can steal so easily? It could land someone in jail, or in bankruptcy court (but the bankruptcy would not erase the penalties, if I understand right).


    Quote Originally Posted by tk-093 View Post
    Now, to play Devil's advocate... Though if you're the one person paying both the cell phone bills, are they not both your phones then? An XBox is not always going to be used by one person. Am I the only one who is allowed to listen to my XBox Music Pass on my XBox? Do I kick my wife and kids out of the room when I want to listen to music? Are they not allowed to use that channel on XBox?
    Yeah, like I said, it's not the best situation. Now that I've looked at the XBox TOS, they're pretty vague on music.
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    Like I said in my original post, I have since changed it because of the issues with sharing XBox IDs.

    That said, the configuration is not illegal like claimed. I purchased all the phones, I pay the cell service for all the phones, I pay for the Xbox music pass; therefore, all the phones belong to me and I'm allowed to play that music on multiple devices. That's not stealing unless its illegal to let my kids/wife use one of my phones.
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    I really think if its family that is not a tos violation considering you pay for that service. Family gold account with one primary makes it hard for the others to get a music pass. Now sharing outside your family with friends is just wrong! Netflix was meant to be one acount in a household any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartrthanu View Post
    Like I said in my original post, I have since changed it because of the issues with sharing XBox IDs.

    That said, the configuration is not illegal like claimed. I purchased all the phones, I pay the cell service for all the phones, I pay for the Xbox music pass; therefore, all the phones belong to me and I'm allowed to play that music on multiple devices. That's not stealing unless its illegal to let my kids/wife use one of my phones.
    The issue isn't who pays. The issue is whose account is it? Terms of service rule.
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