12-05-2012, 11:40 AM #2
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Yeah if we compare the cheap phones I think this will be much better than any android. Whatever power the android will have it will be wasted on just keeping the system running. Hugh end apps like games won't work on the android anyway and save for a few apps you won't lose much by going 620.
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- 12-05-2012, 12:08 PM #3
It is phones like this that will ultimately make WP a mass market success around the globe. Android currently commands the highest market share, due in large part to the many cheap Asian models sold outside the U.S. and Europe. However, customer satisfaction levels with these low-end Android devices is consistently terrible. One of the main problems is that the OEM's serving these markets will regularly dip right down to the very bottom of the low-end component barrel to get their parts, and then install Android on that hardware, even though Android's traditional approach to solving performance problems has been to throw more powerful hardware at it. In other words, price pressure is forcing these OEM's to use hardware far below the levels Android should ever run on.
By 2014, WP7 era hardware will be close to the bottom of that low-end component barrel, on which WP7 will run wonderfully well, while similarly priced Android devices will get the customer a "laggy" Android 2.1 like experience. At that point I would also expect Nokia to retire their Asha line and replace it with WP (Tango).
Devices like this will represent the natural upgrade path for all those who enjoyed WP (or Asha devices) as their first smartphone experience.
Last edited by a5cent; 12-05-2012 at 01:07 PM. Reason: Improved the ending of the 2nd paragraph
- 12-05-2012, 12:29 PM #4
But even more importantly - selling cheap phones will not save Nokia. While I do agree that the cheap phones are the road to market share for WP, the same can't be said for Nokia's future. They NEED to sell their high end phones to get out of the slump they are in right now.
12-05-2012, 12:38 PM #5
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12-05-2012, 12:47 PM #7
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Cheap phones are Nokia's bread and butter as far as the global market goes. They are still pumping out millions of Symbian Series 40 and Series 60 phones after all.
They need to have phones at all the price points.
As far as Android goes, I don't believe for a second that cheap Android phones will ever be a good choice unless they start selling them without useless skins and bloatware you can't remove without rooting and I don't see that happening anytime soon. Though the new Nexus is relatively cheap, but after my experience with an LG Revolution I would NEVER buy an LG phone again.
- 12-05-2012, 01:05 PM #8
... and WP7 will stick around for quite some time.
EDIT: I hope that HTC is successful too, and that also goes for Samsung if they ever decide to get serious.
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12-05-2012, 01:35 PM #10
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Looks nice. Just wish the screen resolution was better. I realize it's a budget model, so I am not criticizing it, but the only high res screens on the market for WP8 are also 4.x"+ My wife is having a hard time with the bigger screens and I am sure there are others in the same boat. The form factor of the 620 looks to be nearly perfect for her.
- 12-05-2012, 05:58 PM #12
A dual-core 1 GHz processor
512 MB/1 GB RAM
These will be the specs of a low-end Android phone in the year 2014. It might not be as smooth as WP but it'll be close enough to not be a major argument against it.
And feature and ecosystem wise? Let's say that a LOT would have to happen for it to not fall into Android's favor.
PS: WP7 will be dead in a year. But that's just my prediction. Let's make a bet. :)
- 12-05-2012, 07:13 PM #14
Nine months ago most people were very sceptical when I suggested Nokia will continue to release WP7 devices well after the introduction of WP8. But that is exactly what happened (Lumia 510 is the first). What do you think motivated Nokia to do so? Just late to market? What if more were to come?
I can't precisely predict how long WP7 will stick around, but as long as the price difference between a low-end WP7 and a low-end WP8 device remains as large as it is today (about double), WP7 isn't going away.
Although the price of these Qualcomm SoC's from 2009 need to fall another notch or two, at some point Android OEM's will only be able to choose to either price match WP7 devices by using similarly inexpensive hardware (leading to a sub par user experience as with many of todays low-end android devices), or use more capable hardware which will command a higher sales price. In both cases Nokia is very well positioned to take back Android market share on the low-end, but as I said, only after the bill of parts for a WP7 device falls another notch or two, probably sometime in late 2013.
- 12-05-2012, 07:43 PM #16
And the whole low-end market does not matter anyway if the high-end is not successful. Look at the Android market - Samsung is the only company making money there. And WP right now is pretty much just Nokia. HTC hast their own troubles and Samsung couldn't care less about WP.
And so Nokia needs to sell high-end phones so that they don't run out of money in a year or two. But they can't sell high-end devices as long as they don't have the ecosystem to support them. To build up an ecosystem they need to sell a lot of cheap phones - but frankly, they can't afford that. It's a Catch 22 situation for them.
And there is still Blackberry although probably not even God knows if he can save them...
- 12-05-2012, 08:17 PM #18
The specs of this phone are ok for the windows mobile OS. If an android phone had these specs the phone would not be able to handle everyday tasks after 6 months. And as for the looks, this the best design that Nokia produced so far for windows 8 phones. I heavily reminds me of the iPhone.
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- 12-05-2012, 08:52 PM #19
The one-sided android tradition of simply throwing better hardware at any given performance problem isn't arbitrary. It came about for a reason.
You think these are baby sicknesses, but that is incorrect (Android has been in development since 2005). The issues stem from unfortunate/outdated design decisions, the correction of which would necessitate sacrificing app compatibility and Android's any-hardware-goes policy. It's a much more profound problem than ironing out a few kinks and opening up a few pinpoint bottlenecks here and there.
If performance of future Android and WP7 devices are levelled , then price won't be, or visa versa.
To build up an ecosystem they need to sell a lot of cheap phones - but frankly, they can't afford that. It's a Catch 22 situation for them.
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12-05-2012, 09:09 PM #21
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Why do you think that they NEED to sell a bunch of their high-end phones?
The profit margin on the high-end phones isn't so much more than it is on the low-end phones. High-end phones partly exist to sell the low-end.
It's like Chevy selling their Corvette. They don't make a lot of money on it. But the Corvette helps to sell their other models.
Last edited by Winning Guy; 12-05-2012 at 09:19 PM.
12-05-2012, 10:00 PM #22
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It's been over four years now, and Android (despite all the "rapid development") is still a laggy, malware-riddled, crash-prone, barely usable mess.
12-05-2012, 10:40 PM #23
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If anyone can make cheap (I suppose I should say "inexpensive" phones work, it is Nokia. Those of us in the US sometimes forget that Nokia built a gigantic business around what we'd consider low end phones. It'll be interesting to see if they can repeat the success they had in the past with this device or not.
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