11-29-2012, 05:39 PM #51
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*WP8 with it's lack of podcast support, even bigger app gap (still a bunch of WP7 apps that don't work on WP8) and generally poor Xbox Music implementation is testing my resolve though. I no longer recommend WP to anyone, sadly.
11-29-2012, 05:44 PM #52
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For example, I have highlighted several apps which I used on Android that I cannot get now on WP. That is fine, disappointing, but fine. I researched it ahead of time and yes, as you put it, I made a decision. However, that does not negate the the fact that those apps are not here, and it would be nice to have them. So, when someone comes along and tries to pull a Jedi Mind Trick on me and say that there are no apps I am looking for, I am going to disagree. That does not mean I don't like WP or wish it to succeed, or even that I regret switching. It is a simple acknowledgement of what I perceive to be important issues that I hope Microsoft will address going forward based on a conversation that someone else started, not me.
Finally, if you like WP and want it to succeed, you had better hope that you do see many people coming over from those platforms and complaining about those things. If they do not, then WP will be gaining no market share at all, and it will be doomed to failure.My smartphone history.
11-29-2012, 05:56 PM #53
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Microsoft messed up. They should have had the SDK in the hands of major devs months ago, so more apps would be ready for lunch. It's got a very good chance of catching up, but right now, it does suck.
Because I want the version of backgammon that my friends play, or that supports another language, or that i can pay for so it's ad free. More choices are a good thing.
Last edited by mpelti; 11-30-2012 at 05:58 PM. Reason: typosThis will be my first and last Windows Phone unless Microsoft fixes the completely broken live tile / notification system.
- 11-29-2012, 06:33 PM #55
I think the main question to answer is: when someone asks you if they should switch to WP8, do you feel the need to mention apps? I love showing off my phone, but I also feel the need to tell people that it is missing apps that they might use a lot on their iPhone/Android phone. Until that conversation no longer needs to happen the app question will remain a sticking point for converts.----
My Device History circa 2007:
Nokia 1020 > Nokia 920 > Nokia 900 > HTC Titan > HP Pre 3 > HP Veer > Palm Pre 2 > HTC Evo > Palm Pre > iPhone 3G > iPhone
- 11-30-2012, 02:58 AM #57
11-30-2012, 03:34 AM #58
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I am contemplating Windows Phone but currently am disappointed by the lack of full featured podcast catching apps. On Android I use BeyondPod and I have all kinds of options set up: I download podcasts on a schedule and only over wifi when my device is plugged into a power source. I find that desirable mainly because I do not want to waste my data plan to download large podcasts so they download while I sleep and the phone is charging.
In two months I will make up my mind when I move back to the USA and sign up for AT&T. I have high hopes that the app situation will change fast since the are a huge number of .NET developers out there (which I incidentally is my profession too). Currently I use an international SIM unlocked Galaxy S 3 and would continue using this phone if it had LTE but I am very interested in the Lumia 920 and in Windows Phone 8. I have had three iPhones, three Android phones, and am interested in WP8.
11-30-2012, 04:11 AM #59
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UPDATE: There are several other apps missing, but most are productivity apps or resource optimization apps. I don't need quickoffice as the WP8 devices come with Office installed...and the apps like Advanced Task Killer and Fast Reboot don't seem to be needed either.
iOS and Android are gaining apps at a faster rate than WP due partially to the fact that their OS's are more entrenched in our mobile society, and partially due to the process involved in publishing the apps in those markets.
Others have stated that many of the apps on Android and iOS are duplicates in that they perform the same exact functions in a slightly different manner. Don't get me wrong, there are many, many unique apps on both OS's, but there are a huge number of duplicates as well. That reduces the number of uniquely different apps, thus reducing the gap. Spouting off the actual number in each market, therefore, is at least slightly misleading.
11-30-2012, 04:14 AM #60
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The problem is not only with the app gap, but also with feature and update cycle of apps available. I feel like on windows phone developer don't bother updating or adding feature to apps.
Facebook for instance, was updated 4 times in less than a month in iOS. Where as in WP the experience didn't improve and its still crap. Update rates are horrible!
Yellow Lumia 1020 (RM-875) Unlocked International
11-30-2012, 04:50 AM #61
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Yes it is true... But if you provide best product for first try... than, why you want to update it without any reason?
i saw some best looking apps on windows phone compare to other os... so, i suggest windows store to add 2 type of rating... 1 for looks and 2nd for ability...
11-30-2012, 09:00 AM #64
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11-30-2012, 09:13 AM #65
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Going by what you said, agreed. Unfortunately, I wouldn't know too much about it; I am currently a newbie to the MS app ecosystem. I know a lot about the Android apps, though. I was hard-pressed to find apps that did what I wanted and weren't funnels for malware (a lot of optimization apps, especially, were guilty of this).
I only mean to say--and I think you agree, or at least seem to--that the number of apps shouldnt b the determining factor in how good a market is. This style of OS for MS is still in its infancy, so numbers of apps, as well as quality of some key ones, will take a hit until production/development hits its full stride.
- 11-30-2012, 09:40 AM #66
I'm not a heavy app pusher. I use a handful and rarely go looking for a "specific" app. The big apps everybody complains about not being on WP are apps I probably won't use to begin with.
Now serious question or two. How many of you that complain about the lack of specific apps, actually go to that developer and ask them to dev for WP?
How many times have you gone to a developer and asked them to dev their app for WP, even though you know you won't use or need that app? I have a few times. Even though I won't use the app or need the app, I want the ecosystem to expand, I want my fellow users to have an app that might help them. I want WP to succeed and it won't unless you stop complaining here, and take it to the devs directly. Do you not get ticked to see the "XYZ" app available on BB? I do by gosh. If the dev can make an app for a dying platform like BB, then they sure as heck can make an app for a growing platform like WP. But the devs will not know we want their app unless we tell them.
11-30-2012, 11:00 AM #67
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11-30-2012, 01:11 PM #68
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Fair questions. I e-mailed several developers for the apps I used on Android frequently, and asked them to consider developing for WP. About half of them responded with the majority saying that at this time, they have no plans to produce an app for WP, the rest were cautious in saying that they were looking into it, but would not go further then that.My smartphone history.
11-30-2012, 01:25 PM #70
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I'm a new user to Windows Phone (was under the oppressive thumb of Verizon for two long years with a terrible Samsung Galaxy S) and when I was with Android I found that there were less than a dozen apps that I actually used on a regular basis. It doesn't take much to make me happy, and there are no apps that I am missing from my Android days. Give me podcasts, twitter, and youtube and I am a happy man :)
- 11-30-2012, 01:30 PM #71--
Just a sample of the devices I've owned over the years.....
Nokia ATT phone
HTC Windows Mobile (?)
HTC Touch Pro
HTC Touch Pro II
Nokia Lumia 822
Nokia Lumia 928
11-30-2012, 02:52 PM #73
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11-30-2012, 06:00 PM #74This will be my first and last Windows Phone unless Microsoft fixes the completely broken live tile / notification system.
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- 11-30-2012, 06:00 PM #75
So, My wife is starting her own business with a friend. She needs a credit card reader to process payments. If WP does not step up or a developer does not step up, she will leave WP for Android. She doesn't want to, she NEEDS to. We need to streamline costs- a smart phone needs to do both. We will not add a tablet to the mix.
My friend just re-upped at work. He really, really liked my Focus S. He stayed with iOS. Know why? Me not selling him on WP? Nope, I worked hard on him as he had shown tons of interest. But, he banks and uses an app he would not do without. No app for him. No WP for him.
My son's friend also crossed off WP on his list when his family goes for a new contract. Why? No Marvel Comics app. (He also hated the lack of games.)
My friend at Church crossed off WP as soon as he realized there was no Barnes and Noble app. (Also no credit union app locally.)
I love my WP. But we are getting good numbers in WP 8 sales. If that continues, developers will come. MS will push for it. I believe it will change. But we need to keep alive this conversation. It is a problem. That iOS and Android has tons of crap on their app selections DOES NOT MATTER. That they have better selections does. Period, end of story.I find your lack of faith disturbing. - Darth Vader
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