- 10-31-2012, 11:09 AM #1
First there's the fact that the Lumia 920 is exclusive to one carrier per region (Rogers, EE, AT&T, etc.). That alone is bad enough because it prevents plenty of people from getting access to such a great device. A device that in our poll here on WPCentral the majority of users would like to get.
Then we found out at the WP8 event that the Ativ S (Odyssey) will be a Verizon exclusive (in the US). I know plenty of people on AT&T and T-Mobile who would've loved the Ativ because it still has a great screen, processor, bigger screen, and access for MicroSD.
And now it appears that for the 8X the black and red colours will be Verizon exclusives (check the last part with the bullet points). By that wording it seems like T-Mobile/AT&T may only get the blue and yellow variants. And as an extension of this, only the Verizon model 8X will have wireless charging?
All this exclusive nonsense is just ridiculous. The way to get a platform to grow is to make it easily available for more people. Not everyone can switch carriers just to get a particular device.
- 10-31-2012, 11:18 AM #2
I think since carriers don't have much to play with on the OS, they are pressing on the software giant this way. I can't see through their business plans but I am hoping they have something in mind.
One of the valid points I read was : Have on carrier whole heartedly support your device and focus on selling only that with each sales speech i.e. AT&T's hero device. But we've seen in past, that hasn't worked. Not for Lumias. Not for WP.
On the other hand, UK example - Nokia Lumia 920 in 4 colours exclusive on EE. I've seen some of my iPhone work mates, switch to EE for that phone! I on the other hand, don't see the point. BTW, EE price plans are THE most expensive thing you've seen after diamond on queen's finger.
- 10-31-2012, 11:44 AM #3
Do we really need another one of these threads?
It's not bad business decisions on behalf of device manufacturers or carriers that limit North Americans freedom of choice! Most of the rest of the world has that freedom of choice! Do you really think U.S. companies are so much more incompetent when it comes to making good business decisions? No. It's part of how U.S. carriers have decided to compete with each other and how they minimize customer attrition.
I'm generally against most market regulation, but some markets require regulation to actually be free. Infrastructure markets like telecommunications are one of them. Carriers should be forced to compete solely on the quality of their communication services and price, because both of those are relevant to the entire economy as a whole, whereas device manufacturers should be left to compete on their own merits without carrier interference. Other countries realized this long ago.
Until U.S. consumers realize that their freedom of choice isn't limited due to "bad business decisions", nothing will change.
10-31-2012, 11:47 AM #4
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WP7 devices were available everywhere, and we all know how that worked out.
At this point in the game, availability only helps the people like us, who know the product and want it, thats likely to be us. People who already know WP, and we are a rare bunch.
What WP needs, is advertising, promotion, and most importantly, sales staff at shops, who have an incentive to sell a WP device, over a iPhone or Android device.
It is unfortunate, but at this moment, WP8 is such an unknown quantity, that Exclusivity should give carriers a reason to promote and sell the devices.
From what i saw today, Phones4u in the UK (exclusive shop for the 920) have dedicated about 25% of their shop to WP8, and of that 50% is the 920. Its everywhere, and more prominent than the iPhone or S3. For 2 years, WP7 devices have been barely showing in shops, this is the first time i've seen a WP device soo obvious. I saw 2 iPhone owners asking questions about it. That amazed me.
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10-31-2012, 01:13 PM #10
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The religious devotion to a carrier is what is getting annoying to me. Contrary to their commercials, I get coverage pretty much everywhere with any of the major players. Consistent with all reports, the customer service level of all of the carriers pretty much sucks. The moral is I'll go where the stuff I want is. I'm already with AT&T and I want the Lumia 920, so I'm staying with AT&T. If what I wanted was at Verizon, I have no loyalty to a signal provider who takes my money every month, so I'd switch. Simple.
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- 10-31-2012, 01:37 PM #18
As long as it is legal, U.S. carriers will continue these practices and they should. It's what they are meant to do. Expecting carriers to behave nicely just out of the goodness of their hearts is naive. The only way to change that is by getting those that represent the people to stand up for the peoples interests. The 1000 rants on wpcentral won't change anything.
Edit: Microsoft may choose to avoid carrier intervention by selling it unlocked and at full price, which would instantly reduce the set of potential customers to a miniscule group of WP smartphone enthusiasts (a.k.a. us) and destroy any chances of it becoming a "game changing" device.
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- 10-31-2012, 01:42 PM #19
Colours are a trivial issues compared to a situation (such as we have in the UK) where even if you buy the 920 sim only, it's locked to one network which only offers premium priced contracts - it's a bit baffling and means the 920 is effectively dead on arrival in the UK.
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- 10-31-2012, 03:02 PM #21
I agree that it sux. I wanted a 920, woops, T-Mobile will not get. Well I will get a Red 8x....wtf, T-mobile is only getting blue or **** yellow :( - May rethink my decision to switch to WP. No way in ****, moving to att and under contract anyway.
10-31-2012, 03:16 PM #23
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- 10-31-2012, 04:31 PM #25
Oh dear. Nokia UK is tweeting that the 920 is also available on Orange and T Mobile .... EE says it isn't. EE only they say.
Orange stores and T Mobile stores have been rebranded to EE. T Monile and Orange customers also see EE as their network signal on phones.
What a strange carry on.
I read through a bunch of Nokia Uk's replies on twitter. So many people now NOT buying a 920.
Expansys UK say they are trying to source sim free unlocked phones from Europe now and may not receive some until towards the end of November.
I never planned to get a 920 so it doesn't affect me but I kinda feel sorry for those who did want it on their network of choice and in the colour of their choice.
If you make a phone of many colours, make the colours available to all.
I popped into phones 4 u. Their wp8 display is all HTC up top, large pictures of several HTC's not just wp8 ones either, the one x is there too. Nokia and the other wp8 phones they are selling are on the bottom part of the display, smaller pictures. There was a picture of the display in the Blog posts, zoom in and see for yourself.