- 10-05-2012, 07:41 PM #1
Hi guys. For some reason Samsung has been A little quiet for their phone. Dunno why maybe they have something in store. But let's wait
I got a question is samsug going to use the Samsung galaxy s3's success for the Ativ S
But they did say the are planning to dominate the wp market and android market. This means Samsung is commited to wp8 and they are gonna help windows phone
-goes to every single carrier
-need to advertise heavily
Do you think samsung will do this?
- 10-05-2012, 09:20 PM #6
The Focus looked nothing like any of their Android handsets. They just like trying everything like the Galaxy beam. And the Nexus designs were weird too. They just experiment a lot, but they make up for wasting resources on weird designs by re using the stuff that works.
10-05-2012, 10:19 PM #7
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Well, probably. Keep stuff that works and come up with a design that works too. Not a bad strategy as it served Samsung well in the Galaxy range.
Still, the ATIV, despite the 'best' moniker, is not getting the coverage in tech blogs that the main competitor in the WP space, the L920, is getting. I personally feel it is because there's no real breakout feature like the OIS or the second coming of wireless charging. Still, it might be what users want. That we have to see.
- 10-05-2012, 10:23 PM #8
- 10-05-2012, 10:48 PM #9
Unless largest screen now means best, I don't see how the Ativ is the best. I don't think removable storage and battery are huge differentiators. A small minority of people will buy a second battery for the phone. Many carrier stores don't even stock batteries anymore, that is how few people buy a second one. The average consumer doesn't need more than 16 GB of storage, much less 32 GB. I know I for one have had a 16 GB micro SD card since 2009 and I have never needed more. Even when I had to store all my photos on the phone because I didn't have cloud back up, I never got over 12 GB used. The Ativ doesn't have the best screen, likely won't have the best camera, likely won't have the best sound quality, isn't the best looking (in most people's opinions), and really has nothing other than screen size in its corner that is an advantage to the average consumer. Sure, if you are of the small subset that HAS to have a removable battery and/or SD card slot, the Ativ MAY appeal to you more than the 820 or the 8S (I'd personally take either one over the Ativ), but I think that will prove to be a very small minority of consumers.
- 10-06-2012, 12:17 AM #11
- 10-06-2012, 12:29 AM #12
- 10-06-2012, 01:01 AM #14
It would suprise me. All of those feature require OS level customization that MS does not allow. They can't be accomplished with apps, which is all MS will allow OEMs to do. The example I used my only require sensor info while in messages, but it would also require Samsung to modify the messaging app, which is where the problem comes in. I'm not saying technilogically impossible, I'm saying that it goes beyond the level of custimization that Microsoft allows.
- 10-06-2012, 01:24 AM #15
They will market the Ativ line. Don't hold your breath for a huge Ativ S-specific marketing campaign. The Ativ will sell because of the Samsung name and on carriers where the Lumia & 8X are not available, it will still be absolutely stomped by HTC & Nokia because next to no one even remembers or cares about the S and Samsung has no value proposition to give to customers for point-of-sale reps to pitch when the Galaxy S3 and Note 2 will be sitting right opposite the Ativ with established brands, mind share and sales.
Oh, I could be wrong. But don't count on it.
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- 10-06-2012, 02:54 PM #16
It is way thinner for one.
Uses brushed aluminum instead of plastic. I personally prefer plastic but some people like metal like the isheep
Those are some huge bullet points, nothing to brush off like you are doing.
As far as the screen goes, yes, size matters and besides, you know absolutely nothing about it. As far as we know it could be higher than 60hz, OLED screens have ridiculous speeds. That is one of their advatages. Whether or not Samsung uses their newest tech in the Ativ S I dont know but you cant just write it off based on how loudly HTC and Nokia brags about their tech.
The same applies for the sound. If the Ativ S uses the Wolfson chip set like the international GS3 does, then that chip trumps any gimmick like beats or Dolby can provide. Some XDA guys created their own sound drivers that destroys beats on the One X. Unfortunately though, most of the North American handsets will most likely have the crappy sound card integrated in the Qualcomm S4. So while us windows fanboys argue about beats + amp vs Dolby, the best sounding handsets will most likely be either the iphone or the note 2. Lol
- 10-06-2012, 03:59 PM #18
- 10-06-2012, 04:21 PM #19
2. It is not aluminum. It is "Metallic CMF w/ Hair line finsih" (as per Samsung.com). This means it is a metal look plastic, not metal.
3. Expandable storage may be a big deal to some, but the success of the iPhone has shown that it is not a must have for the mass market so long as you provide at least 16 GB. I acknowledged this would matter to some, but maintain that to most people it won't matter.
4. It has the same screen as the Galaxy S III. We know lots about it. In my experience and conversations the general public is happy with anything around 4.3" and up. And there is a decent portion (around 1/3) who wouldn't want anything larger than 4.3", particularly in the over 35, non tech enthusiast crowed.
5. If Microsoft didn't let HTC use a different audio chip than what is on the S4, they didn't let Samsung either.
This phone is announced and the specs are available publicly. I don't understand why people are expecting some huge surprise from it.
- 10-06-2012, 04:40 PM #20
And like I said, those are just your opinions and those factors will most likely be important to a lot of people. The Ativ S is not the worst WP8 flagship just because YOU say it is. Winter fang for example says it is the best.
The better question is what does the 8x bring besides some crappy dollar store level amp?
- 10-06-2012, 05:04 PM #22
Samsung ATIV S feature page up, shows the ATIV S has the same Pentile display as the Galaxy S III | WMPoweruser
They use the same Super AMOLED HD screen. You can look at the Ativ S spec sheet yourself, the article above links to it and talks about the screen.
The iPhone (the single best selling phone) not having expandable storage and most people not caring is a fact, not my opinion. The only people who care about expandable storage on phones with 16 or 32 GB of memory are tech enthusiasts.
I never said it was 100% the worst. What I said was that if screen size, expandable storage, or a removable battery were ultra important to you, then the Ativ S is best. I just don't think that it is best for the average consumer. The fact that threads like this one suggesting that there are unannounced features or that Samsung has a surprise up its sleeve with this phone shows that most people are disappointed with it as it is and want something more from it.
People who have heard the amp on the HTC 8X in action have had positive things to say about it (including wpcentral), suggesting it is "a crappy dollar store level amp" is pure speculation, not based on actually released specs and early hands on experiences.
As to what else it offers over the Ativ S, here are my OPINIONS:
1. HTC has historically had better fit and finish with a superior, more premium feel
2. HTC has historically had superior manufacturer specific apps
3. HTC's dedicated imaging chip will likely lead to faster camera performance
4. HTC has had a better update history on both Android and Windows Phone than Samsung
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