View Poll Results: Who do you think will grab third place in smartphone market?

Voters
17. You may not vote on this poll
  • Blackberry OS 10

    0 0%
  • Windows phone 8

    17 100.00%
Results 1 to 12 of 12
Like Tree4Likes
  • 1 Post By cgk
  • 1 Post By cgk
  • 1 Post By nathanb131
  • 1 Post By berty6294
  1. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    1,596 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,140 Global Posts
       #1  
    Microsoft and RIM battle for third place, but is four a crowd? | The Verge

    This is a god article


    vs




    who do you think will win and give reasons please
    - Xbox Account: SocialDanny123 Twitter: @SuDanny123

    Lived in LA USA now moved to Auckland New Zealand :-)

    Other devices:
    Nexus 5
    IPhone 5C
    Blackberry Z10

    [IMG][/IMG]
  2. sinime's Avatar
    Developer

    Posts
    2,437 Posts
    Global Posts
    3,753 Global Posts
    #2  
    MS... Simply put, right or wrong, people will be buying new PCs with Win8 and the Win8 style will be in everyone's face. While I can understand resistance to change, I think people will start to like the new UI and if so, that should translate to WP8 purchases.

    However, if Win8 flops on the PC, then it's anyone's ballgame and BB has a chance to succeed in mobile.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    My Apps: PIP (WP8 - Compass / Flashlight), Beer Knurd (WP7/8), Meme 8 Ball (WP8)

  3. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    1,596 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,140 Global Posts
       #3  
    Quote Originally Posted by sinime View Post
    MS... Simply put, right or wrong, people will be buying new PCs with Win8 and the Win8 style will be in everyone's face. While I can understand resistance to change, I think people will start to like the new UI and if so, that should translate to WP8 purchases.

    However, if Win8 flops on the PC, then it's anyone's ballgame and BB has a chance to succeed in mobile.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    Which is unlikely that Windows 8 will flop because most windows 8 sales will be tablets. every always wanted a all in one computer. with using x86 apps, with also using a touch friendly OS while on the go. I bet people will get windows 8 devices and people in enterprise will rush to get these type of devices
    - Xbox Account: SocialDanny123 Twitter: @SuDanny123

    Lived in LA USA now moved to Auckland New Zealand :-)

    Other devices:
    Nexus 5
    IPhone 5C
    Blackberry Z10

    [IMG][/IMG]
  4. cgk
    cgk is offline
    cgk's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    566 Posts
    Global Posts
    7,703 Global Posts
    #4  
    Windows will win not because it is better but simply because RIM isn't largely enough to compete in the mobile space in 2012/2013. Their whole market cap is less than what samsung and Apple are using to gain economics of scale in the supply chain, let along the massive marketing budgets they have.

    MS has the scale and profitable products to support their activities, RIM does not.
    a5cent likes this.
  5. cgk
    cgk is offline
    cgk's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    566 Posts
    Global Posts
    7,703 Global Posts
    #5  
    Quote Originally Posted by cgk View Post
    Windows will win not because it is better but simply because RIM isn't largely enough to compete in the mobile space in 2012/2013. Their whole market cap is less than what samsung and Apple are using to gain economics of scale in the supply chain, let along the massive marketing budgets they have.

    MS has the scale and profitable products to support their activities, RIM does not.
    I see that today someone liked this post - forward on six months and I'm not so sure - Microsoft (and OEMs) have made a number of mis-steps with WP8, the Lumia launch in the UK was a bit of a shambles and while I'm still not sure that Blackberry can make it beyond number three or indeed if the last few positive days for them signal a spring (not enough data yet) - I'm not seeing anything that suggests that WP will be more than a very distant third even if it fights off the Blackberry challenge - it's still an uphill struggle for both (relatively to the big two) but Microsoft's lack of focus and inability to attract more big name developers* is not a good sign.

    Short version: I'm more downbeat about the future of WP and more positive about BB10.

    * Because even if you don't want apps yourself, being able to attract top-flight app developers is a positive sign.
    aubreyq likes this.
  6. nathanb131's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    105 Posts
    Global Posts
    159 Global Posts
    #6  
    Does BB offer anything unique anymore? They grew from gaining a great corporate email foothold. They were the best at using the smartphone as a productivity and quick messaging tool. At their peak, the iPhone was seen as an entertainment-first device by corp IT departments.

    Now, since we can all get our exchange access with any smartphone....so BB is no longer 'standard' for that. Also, BB used to be the clear productivity leader in terms of who can bang out an email more easily on the go. Used to be that the advantage in quickly checking and responding to big boy communications was much greater. Now with how great type-ahead is on soft keyboards (also voice input) that advantage is gone. Sure BB may still best for that, but it's certainly debatable at this point instead of a universal nod in their favor.

    So between the 4 existing ecosystems. Which one has a truly unique advantage? They are all pretty much different flavors of doing the same thing. All of them are now easy to use and move around in. All do great email, maps, apps, etc. We can debate the details but its no longer about productivity vs entertainment. They are all good at both now. But apple, MS, and google are huge ecosystems that aren't going away. BB isn't an ecosystem, its just a device that can access your Gmail, ms corp exchange, etc. That's fine, I connect to Gmail with my winphone. Last thing we want is 3 big walled gardens. But for new users, people are able to associate winphone and windows, google with android, etc.

    I can see BB winning back die hards, but for a new smartphone user....what is the draw? At least MS created a unique interface, BB just made another app-grid-widget solution like android.

    I hope BB succeeds as well as winphone and everyone has at least 10% of the market. But MS can absorb a lot of mobile loss for years as they push their new skydrive/win8 ecosystem. Kind of sucks that BB's very existence is riding on them carving out a niche by trying to become a 'good enough' alternative that does the same stuff as the others.
    Thanked by:
    aubreyq likes this.
  7. berty6294's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    2,661 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,662 Global Posts
    #7  
    The only reason RIM was ever big was because it was THE smartphone. Blackberry was the first secure smartphone that business could trust and consumers could understand. Old BlackBerry users have moved on, I not know anybody who has purchased a BlackBerry device within the last 2 years. I don't even know anybody who is still holding on to a Blackberry device! (except my dad, but he's about to buy a windows phone) They waited too long and the market has moved on.
    Try out my first Windows 8 app, ModernCalc! It's free and I would love to hear your feedback!

    Phones: Nokia Lumia 928, HTC Windows Phone 8x, HTC Trophy
    PMP: Zune HD 32, Zune 80, Zune 4, Zune 30, Ipod Nano 2nd gen (x4), Ipod touch 16gb 2nd gen
    Tablet: Surface for Windows RT
    aubreyq likes this.
  8. tiziano27's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    40 Posts
    Global Posts
    291 Global Posts
    #8  
    BlackBerry 10 excels where WP is weak: Notification center, multi-tasking, universal search and a gesture based UI. Microsoft has to include these features, has to develop WP faster.

    Microsoft has to leverage its current assets to gain an advantage. I hope to see the next year the platforms unified: Phone, Tablet, Xbox and Desktop running the same OS and services, giving a continuous and seamless experience for users and developers.
  9. nathanb131's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    105 Posts
    Global Posts
    159 Global Posts
    #9  
    Quote Originally Posted by tiziano27 View Post

    Microsoft has to leverage its current assets to gain an advantage. I hope to see the next year the platforms unified: Phone, Tablet, Xbox and Desktop running the same OS and services, giving a continuous and seamless experience for users and developers.
    This. This is why my family recently went from android to winphone, bought Xbox, upgraded win7 to win8, and will likely buy a surface or equivalent tablet this year. For a seamless "3 screens" solution. Been a mixed bag so far but it's coming along nicely. Really curious as to what their next wave will look like. We know the new Xbox will help continue the momentum. We are seeing a lull after the unveiling in October. I hope that is more a reflection of getting the new Xbox right than lack of commitment to a unified ecosystem.
  10. berty6294's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    2,661 Posts
    Global Posts
    2,662 Global Posts
    #10  
    Quote Originally Posted by nathanb131 View Post
    This. This is why my family recently went from android to winphone, bought Xbox, upgraded win7 to win8, and will likely buy a surface or equivalent tablet this year. For a seamless "3 screens" solution. Been a mixed bag so far but it's coming along nicely. Really curious as to what their next wave will look like. We know the new Xbox will help continue the momentum. We are seeing a lull after the unveiling in October. I hope that is more a reflection of getting the new Xbox right than lack of commitment to a unified ecosystem.
    My opinion on the 3 screens thing (I too am heavily invested in all things Microsoft) is that it works, better than any other ecosystem, but isn't as good as it should be! I say this is the year for the 3 screens to really come to life! They've got themselves on phone, tablet, tv, and pc... now they gotta put it all together!
    Try out my first Windows 8 app, ModernCalc! It's free and I would love to hear your feedback!

    Phones: Nokia Lumia 928, HTC Windows Phone 8x, HTC Trophy
    PMP: Zune HD 32, Zune 80, Zune 4, Zune 30, Ipod Nano 2nd gen (x4), Ipod touch 16gb 2nd gen
    Tablet: Surface for Windows RT
  11. jdhooghe's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    504 Posts
    Global Posts
    1,827 Global Posts
    #11  
    ...and I wonder why WP8 is winning. Windows Phone forum ftw! :P The more options the better. We've had Apple and Android as the major players the last years, be happy that two more players will be on the scene now!
  12. saulgould13's Avatar
    Member

    Posts
    88 Posts
    #12  
    Its really hilarious and yet unfortunate that we need to decide as consumers an "ecosystem" devide and.... Blablabla... If the system works for your needs regardless of the "it" app or that notification swipe than be it,.. Were all educated customers or so we like to project, saying that we can justify our needs accordingly. Funny observation wp8 users wish to be the underdog champs yet whine that instagram app or gameloft doesn't cater to their mass needs. Kinda odd if u wanna be apart from the heard yet seemingly desire assimilation. I want this platform to succeed, its unique, I'm no fanwhore, and as we all know completion breeds?..

Posting Permissions

B