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    A lot of the new features, we've had since day one. The new camera functions/sharing, & search cards & how you can get everything done from there. My "soon to be obsolete" phone has been running features that Android just got (or about to get). :D
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    lol so true!
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    Yeah, I've had a phone for a while with "project butter" already installed - its called Windows Phone 7. Thanks for realizing your OS is slow and jittery on even the most powerful of hardware, Google. Its about time you caught up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkevbosky View Post
    Yeah, I've had a phone for a while with "project butter" already installed - its called Windows Phone 7. Thanks for realizing your OS is slow and jittery on even the most powerful of hardware, Google. Its about time you caught up.
    Seems like every upgrade announcement, they've discovered a way to make the UI run "smoother".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaap View Post
    Seems like every upgrade announcement, they've discovered a way to make the UI run "smoother".
    Yeah, add more cores and ram.
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    Android just got (or about to get)
    Nope. That's not true.

    7% ppl are having ICS. Don't even think about how many will have Jelly Bean.
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    And above all, as Apple's keynote was disappointing, it seems the fandroids are left with a sour taste in their mouth as well. I think Microsoft is going to KILL it.
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    They certainly have more momentum at the moment.

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    did google just buy webos from hp...? for some reason alot of the stuff feels like webos
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaap View Post
    A lot of the new features, we've had since day one. The new camera functions/sharing, & search cards & how you can get everything done from there. My "soon to be obsolete" phone has been running features that Android just got (or about to get). :D
    Just got? About to get?

    3 phones will be getting Jelly Bean in the near future. New phones coming out in a few months will, but old phones wont see it for at least 6 months, and most wont even see that.

    We all moan about not getting the full WP8 kernel on our 2 year old phones, but if you are +6 months, you don't get the latest release on Android.

    Thank goodness for xda/cyanogenmod if you're an android owner (which I was)
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    It's so nice to see a thread that isn't a "my phone is obsolete, sniff sniff" thread. Mangoose is right, with only 7% of android phones having ICS I wonder how many current phones will get Jelly Bean
    ...When you judge someone you tell more about yourself than the person you are judging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nataku4ca View Post
    did google just buy webos from hp...? for some reason alot of the stuff feels like webos
    Google has hired many of the people that made webOS what it is today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nataku4ca View Post
    did google just buy webos from hp...? for some reason alot of the stuff feels like webos
    Probably because it is. Matias Duarte basically created webOS and a lot of the senior engineers and software architects from Palm/webOS are now at Google as well. Touch to share is a blatant rip-off as are the notifications.
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    i think android biggest problem is their sluggish, stuttering and inconsistent ui. that should be their top priority. it can head banging at time.
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    As I always said from the get-go about Android. If they optimized the software to work well with the hardware, it wouldn't be much of an issue. They wanted to take the spec route and constantly upgrade the specifications of the phones without actually optimizing the software. So the software/Android is complete sh*t, and that's why iOS and WP work so well.

    I've had a Droid Incredible for 2 years, just as long as many of you have had your WP's. The only major update we got on our DInc's was Gingerbread (2.3). For awhile we didn't even get it OTA, or anything. I was already rooted and ROM'd running Cyanogen Mod at this point when Gingerbread became vastly available. People are complaining about not getting the latest.... Android is the worst. Android if I remember correctly more then 60% is still running Froyo or Gingerbread... and none of these phones will even see ICS. Whereas every phone will be up to date on 7.8 for WP and the new phones with W8P.

    WP has a much longer lifespan and a much longer support life then Android will ever have. There are so many Android devices, and they continue to pump out more and more each week. Androids usually last 4 to 6 months, whereas WP's have been holding strong these last 2 years.

    Maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather have a WP then an Android device any day with those types of statistics. Just talking about the lifespan and updates, and the fragmentation.
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    People are complaining about not getting the latest....

    A lot of WP user's frustration with the 7.8/8 situation is that MS seemingly made a big thing about fragmentation not being an issue on WP, and then they go ahead and fragment the OS. And not even in a small version-number-type way. It's a completely different kernel.

    Now, I appreciate that it's nothing like the level of Android, but then Google have never said that fragmentation isn't an issue for them (they just don't dwell on it).

    To be fair, I think that Gen 1 WP users have been well served with Mango, and now with 7.8, but I can't help but feel sympathy for the 900 owners who aren't techies (ie - who didn't research the hazy upgrade issue first) and who may have been misled at time of sale, who are now finding out that their new phone is getting a kind of partial upgrade designed - let's be honest - to placate them and other WP owners.

    MS could, and should, have cleared up the WP8 upgrade issue months ago when it was first raised (they would have been clear about the situation internally even long before that). They didn't do it because it would have killed sales of WP7.5 handsets. In anyones reasonable view, that is a decision made for the benefit of MS, to the detrement of it's customers. I would even go so far as to say it was dishonest, in that it was a case of witholding information in order not to affect sales.

    MS handled it in the same way that politicians do when they are asked a question yet give an answer to a different question (their, "All WP7 apps will run on WP8").

    That's why - and I've said it before - I think they have a moral obligation to make sure that the 7.8 upgrade has all the non-hardware-reliant features of WP8. There is no reason why they couldn't do that.

    Having said all that, I'm more than happy with my Lumia 900 (even without any update). But then, I was aware that I may get no upgrade, so I could have chosen not to buy the phone.

    If 7.8 is feature-packed, then I don't I don't think that anyone could have any major complaints - after all who cares about the name? But if it's just going to be the start screen update (and, looking at how MS are making such a big issue of the start screen, I would think it pretty much is) then I think it'll cost them more in bad publicity and reputation that it would have done to make the 7.8 update match WP8 in all but hardware-dependant features.
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    The old phones from Android are going into oblivion update after update of Android. I personally don't see any profit from updating older phones. So or so, the phone has to be replaced (:
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    The thing about android is that even if a phone doesn't get updated to the latest version, at least it will still get most of the new apps. The Play Store still grows for those phones. What there is now in the marketplace is pretty much what there's going to be in the marketplace for current Windows Phones.

    I wouldn't mind all this if I had an older windows phone, but I can't help but feel bad for Lumia 900 owners. Even android doesn't cut off the newest update to a high end phone a couple months after the phone is released.
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    At the Android scene there are the XDA developers with whose help you can get almost any version of it on any phone, so maybe we can expect something similar for Windows Phone, porting the 8 to the current phones..? :).

    If I may add an example, they've put Android ICS to the Samsung Wave, a Bada phone. I presume that then it could be possible to get WP8 to WP7 devices.

    Sorry for off-topic.
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    So far, this year seems to be Microsoft's. I just hope they can deliver on the expectations.

    Quote Originally Posted by index1366 View Post
    At the Android scene there are the XDA developers with whose help you can get almost any version of it on any phone, so maybe we can expect something similar for Windows Phone, porting the 8 to the current phones..?
    The drivers are the big issue here. There are custom ROMs for Mango / Tango, but a custom ROM with Apollo will require the hackers to redo the drivers for the new core. Not sure how possible this is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by massifheed View Post
    A lot of WP user's frustration with the 7.8/8 situation is that MS seemingly made a big thing about fragmentation not being an issue on WP, and then they go ahead and fragment the OS. And not even in a small version-number-type way. It's a completely different kernel.
    Fragmentation still isn't an issue for WP, From what I see of it... Once those 2 year contracts are up people will be switching to WP8's or when they get their upgrade. I call that a roll over period, not fragmentation. It's playing catch up, pretty much.


    To be fair, I think that Gen 1 WP users have been well served with Mango, and now with 7.8, but I can't help but feel sympathy for the 900 owners who aren't techies (ie - who didn't research the hazy upgrade issue first) and who may have been misled at time of sale, who are now finding out that their new phone is getting a kind of partial upgrade designed - let's be honest - to placate them and other WP owners.
    I think those of who that have been interested in WP, and didn't impulsively buy the new L900 or T2... They should of known that WP8 was coming out in just a few months. I feel no sympathy for those individuals that KNEW it was coming, and what to possibly expect.

    As for those non-techies, that were just looking for a new phone to pick up and get into the ecosystem the L900/T2 are still amazing phones. They will do them justice, and when their upgrade is available like everyone else, they'll get a W8P if they enjoy the WP OS.

    MS could, and should, have cleared up the WP8 upgrade issue months ago when it was first raised (they would have been clear about the situation internally even long before that). They didn't do it because it would have killed sales of WP7.5 handsets. In anyones reasonable view, that is a decision made for the benefit of MS, to the detrement of it's customers. I would even go so far as to say it was dishonest, in that it was a case of witholding information in order not to affect sales.
    I agree with this, but I also disagree. I think it was a good business play by them, due to the fact that WP is already in the gutter trailing behind with barely 10% of the market share. Now, if they wanted to throw this out into the wind... and said "Listen, no WP8 to current devices but there will be devices released later on with WP8"... People would of completely stopped by into the OS, and just waited. That few months or so without people buying WP7.5 phones, would of destroyed even more market placement... or they would bought into other OS's and then WP would of been completely SOL.


    That's why - and I've said it before - I think they have a moral obligation to make sure that the 7.8 upgrade has all the non-hardware-reliant features of WP8. There is no reason why they couldn't do that.
    Moral obligation? It's a business, and business don't play with morals or obligations. They will do what they want to do. As far as the details go, a lot of the new features for WP8 are with the new dual-cores and new kernel. So I don't really see many features from WP8 coming to 7.8 other then the new start screen. I could be completely wrong, but after all the details that are sprouting up all over the place about the new features of WP8 it seems core dependent and more then likely wont show up on WP7.8


    If 7.8 is feature-packed, then I don't I don't think that anyone could have any major complaints - after all who cares about the name? But if it's just going to be the start screen update (and, looking at how MS are making such a big issue of the start screen, I would think it pretty much is) then I think it'll cost them more in bad publicity and reputation that it would have done to make the 7.8 update match WP8 in all but hardware-dependant features.
    Microsoft is already buried when it comes to publicity and reputation, at least they have the balls to flat out drown themselves and publicly execute themselves.
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    Existing driver code integration into WP8.. Not sure either how possible this is either, but they may have some ideas. We'll see.
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    MS could, and should, have cleared up the WP8 upgrade issue months ago when it was first raised (they would have been clear about the situation internally even long before that). They didn't do it because it would have killed sales of WP7.5 handsets. In anyones reasonable view, that is a decision made for the benefit of MS, to the detrement of it's customers. I would even go so far as to say it was dishonest, in that it was a case of witholding information in order not to affect sales.
    I agree with this, but I also disagree. I think it was a good business play by them, due to the fact that WP is already in the gutter trailing behind with barely 10% of the market share. Now, if they wanted to throw this out into the wind... and said "Listen, no WP8 to current devices but there will be devices released later on with WP8"... People would of completely stopped by into the OS, and just waited. That few months or so without people buying WP7.5 phones, would of destroyed even more market placement... or they would bought into other OS's and then WP would of been completely SOL.
    Got to agree. Would Nokia have got onboard with WP, if they'd have been told they'd have 6-9 months of almost no sales? I bet they are annoyed by ~3 months of no sales.

    If Microsoft had killed WP7 months ago, the OS would be dead in the water, as would WP8 and every single WP7 owner would have reason to be annoyed, rather than just the recent adopters.

    The also assumes Microsoft havn't spent the last couple of months trying to make WP8 play nice on the WP7 hardware, and only recently admitted defeat.

    The absolute PR disaster would be if in 6 months time, the hackers have managed to get WP8 running on our current gen hardware, and it runs well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhoulPhreak View Post
    Moral obligation? It's a business...
    Yes. A moral obligation. There is plenty of room for businesses to operate both in their own and their customers best interests. Many successful companies do this every day. If a company acts purely selfishly - and show a level of contempt for the people they are trying to sell to then, in time, customers will stop trusting them and buying their products. To an extent, this may be why MS has trouble gaining traction with new products like Zune and WP. Think back to Windows ME and Vista. Awful products, rushed to market. Then think that they would have cost the customer approx 80 for a copy. It won't do your reputation much good to charge someone 80 for an OS that is widely regarded as being terrible.

    In the case of the WP8 upgrade, they knew it was never going to happen to current gen hardware. Several times in interviews etc the question has been put to various MS spokespersons in a direct fashion, and each time they answered with the standard "WP7 apps will work on WP8". That's not an answer to the question asked.

    They knew it was going to hose those people who had just bought new hardware, and they knew that to be the case for months prior. They knew releasing information about there being no WP8 for current gen hardware would destroy sales. So they said nothing, or gave non-answers.

    Because of that, they should make every effort to add all they can to 7.8, so that those that have just bought into Windows Phone aren't left with a phone that isn't going to see a major update in for the life of the device.

    I agree with those who have little sympathy for people who knew the situation yet still bought a WP, and are now complaining. There's no excuse there.

    But there's no reason why MS couldn't have been straight with people early on, but still push the new 7.5 devices as the great phones that they are. But then, I think MS have been pretty dire with the marketing of WP right from the start.
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    The also assumes Microsoft havn't spent the last couple of months trying to make WP8 play nice on the WP7 hardware, and only recently admitted defeat.
    I don't beleive that is the case for a second. But if it was, they should have said so. Explain to people what is going on, be straight with them and you'll generate a ton of respect.
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