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    Hi there. Just came to know that Indian TV Show Techguru specified some very important cons of WP OS while reviewing Lumia 800.

    Objective: dissecting them

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    Facebook handle: Tech Guru | Facebook

    First it specifies 5 pros. Now here are 5 cons. It is Hindi. I am translating it in English.

    2. Lumia 800 launched for almost 30000 INR and it lacks front camera. So its considerable con of Lumia 800

    4. It will require cutting existing SIM card to Micro SIM using cutter since Lumia needs Micro SIM. Ok I know in India Micro SIM is not used a lot. And I feel this cutting work and keeping the cut part is not a big deal.

    But some about OS are:

    1.It requires Zune for every media transfer. It lacks media transfer over bluetooth (say transferring song from my friends mobile to mine)(Indians shares a lot on bluetooth).

    3.Bing search is default search engine. I mean when we hit search button on IE, it searches with Bing. It requires Google Search to be used as a separate App. As long as I know IE9 on desktop, we can configure it to use Google as default search engine. Is this not possible with WP7.5? Can we have Google as default search engine on IE9 in WP7.5? (I didnt used WP any time (didnt had any cell yet!), but love alot.)

    5. People will need to take PC running Zune anywhere they go if at all they want anything to put inside there Lumia. Now this simply re-iterates 1st point. Please also tell me, is that the only way (from PC running zune) to take any photo, song, movie on WP mobile. Ok, here forget the Internet (since 4G is not in India and 3G is a lot costly) access. I am asking for device-to-device transfer.

    6.Last con is completely irrelevant. It says that Nokia India should spend more on marketing Lumia 710 since it has almost same specs at cost saving of almost 11000 INR. Ok cost of Lumia 800 may be high here. But how he can comment on Nokia's spending?

    It gives 3.5/5 stars, takes away one star straight off for price. Too costly in India. Ok, but not like iPhone. Galaxy S II also comes for 22000-28000INR. No exact idea.

    0.5 star taken off for
    - No bluetooth (this will seriously matter in India, let me tell you, if it is like point 1 above)
    - Zune problem (point 1 above)
    - No front facing camera (considerable)

    Now please tell me that if that Zune and Bluetooth thing is true. And also if Google can be configured as default search engine in IE9.


    You may comment on Facebook handle of the show if they are wrong anywhere.
    Last edited by Mahesha999; 12-25-2011 at 09:15 AM.
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    Here's the too long, didn't read version of your post:

    "Missing insignificant feature"

    SKY IS FALLING!

    First it specifies 5 pros. Now here are 5 cons.
    You trollin', brah? If you're going to post the cons at least post the positives. It's hard to tell if this is an unbiased review without the pros. Only posting the cons smells a lot like trolling.
    Last edited by HeyCori; 12-25-2011 at 09:39 AM.
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    there is bluetooth on the lumia 800 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figure 8 Dash View Post
    Here's the too long, didn't read version of your post:

    "Missing insignificant feature"

    SKY IS FALLING!



    You trollin', brah? If you're going to post the cons at least post the positives. It's hard to tell if this is an unbiased review without the pros. Only posting the cons smells a lot like trolling.
    No yaar, actually the show specified all other pros also, like better social and office integration and its uni-body build and buttery fluid WP7.5.

    I just want to dismiss their cons too, since I am die hard fan of WP.

    Making things short
    Can we set Google as default search engine on Windows Phone IE9?
    Can I share Videos/songs/Photos with my friend over Bluetooth? Or sharing is just restricted to Zune?
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    Can we set Google as default search engine on Windows Phone IE9?
    Nope. Gotta depend on the app. I use Bing as my main search on my desktop so this doesn't bother me. However, I think Google images and Google map has a leg up on Bing. Regular searches I prefer Bing.

    Can I share Videos/songs/Photos with my friend over Bluetooth? Or sharing is just restricted to Zune?
    Photos: There's no access to the file system so unfortunately no. The workaround is using either MMS or email. There might also be a workaround using Skydrive as well.

    Music: Music can't be sent through MMS or email. Maybe the file could be shared via Skydrive.

    IMO, neither con is that bad but I'm not from India so I'm not sure how big of an impact either will have.

    Also, welcome aboard the Windows Phone train. Watch out for haters. :D
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    You can set google as default in ie. it is in the settings. Prior to mango you couldn't change it.

    The lack of a FFC is an issue, ESP for a phone which costs that much.

    The URLs SkyDrive sharing uses aren't friendly. Share photos using MMS or Email. For video you don't have much choice between SkyDrive and social networks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8ter View Post
    You can set google as default in ie. it is in the settings. Prior to mango you couldn't change it.



    I just went into settings in IE and can't find the option to set google anywhere. All you can do is toggle between 'mobile' or 'desktop' and a page display preference option. I would love to set google as my default search so am I missing something here?
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    Let me tell you I am die hard WP lover. So I am not critisizing here WP. I am developer and know how Microsoft is best at platform (Win XP and 7) and framework (.NET, Silverlight and now JavaScript driven Win 8 app environment) development. No other knows it better than MS how to build a platform. And one plus point it learns at fast pace.

    Remember they included XP start menu on Windows Mobile 6.5. Now they learnt and changed the whole philosophy - seriously brave move and its pure vision. Apple and Google did just tried to replicate the desktop on Smartphones. They just showed they do not think. Thats why Androids update are also fail story. My friend has Galaxy S and I always tease him to update his Android :)

    Its absolutely important in India to have media sharing over Bluetooth (which is almost 90% of scenarios, trust me). I never remembered here in last six years my friends sharing on Internet thru phones. If it is not there people here will say bye bye to WP.

    Bing is simply unknown here. Google Search is boss. Please tell me surely if default search engine setting is possible
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    :( Found that atleast in Mango Default search engine is controlled by Provider or MS iteself: Windows Phone 7 – IE default search Google?? - Microsoft Answers

    One geeky hack is there. But I am sure people will not like to listen to it. So this feature should be there along with media sharing on bluetooth if MS needs to sell WP to one sixth of the worlds population - the Indians

    The hack: Change the Default Search Engine In Windows Phone 7 [How To]
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    There is now an app in marketplace to get to the suggestion site of MS.
    Your smartphone is only as smart as YOU let it be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfa1 View Post
    There is now an app in marketplace to get to the suggestion site of MS.
    Here's the link to the marketplkace jfa1. :) (Suggestion Box)

    UK

    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-GB/ap...0-aeed254f3d42

    US

    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/ap...0-aeed254f3d42

    .........HANDSET: Nokia Lumia 920
    .........COUNTRY: Scotland UK
    .........NETWORK: 3 UK
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    I just toggle between Bing and Google search. I actually like Bing's home page better. As for my opinion on bluetooth transfer, it can be a dealbreaker for some. I have had simple dumb phones that offer bluetooth transfer between phones.
    So that restriction is a bit silly, but I have learned to with it for the time being.
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    You can toggle the search engine in mango. Before mango it was carrier controlled an people revolted because of the fragmented experience. They fixed that. It's in the settings somewhere. It should not be hard to find.

    Unless your carrier made Microsoft/oem remove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWeeBear View Post
    What if I have no Windows Phone and I want to suggest them something?
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    Ok I found out. Here you can suggest features to MS WP Team officially:
    Feature Suggestions for Windows Phone

    (if you do not have WP mobile)
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    these shows just go by hype and are pro-apple and pro-android, they pretty much say what any other review site is saying.
    for the price, i agree it's priced a bit higher but when the Galaxy S2 or the original galaxy came it was above 30k as well. It dropped over a period of time. If they are complaining about the 30k price of lumia i don't know what they said for the Iphone4s 64GB costing well over 60,000!!!

    Coming to the con of bluetooth transfer, i am also begging for it especially for photos at least, they can block the music for "piracy" concerns but photos shouldn't be a problem at all. Currently, the only way to transfer files across is to use dropbox, skydrive and other storage services.
    For photos, i just e-mail them, it's faster as it reduces the size.

    for the default search, i know google is the Boss!! but this is MS and why should they allow any other search engine as an option. I don't think the same option exists in Android!! for me bing search works fine the only area where it lacks is Maps and locals for India; it plainly sucks. :(
    Hopefully, things will change when lumia is selling all around india in good numbers and MS heeds to Nokia :)

    I don't think USB mass storage will ever be enabled by MS, so gotta live with that
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    well said darthveda
    i agree with you, they should allow bluetooth transfer for photos and videos taken from the camera itself, they can block music transfer( piracy concerns)
    mass storage is not needed and i find bing to be as good as google , and many times better, google comes up with a lot of garbage at times
    but bing lacks in local search
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    If google comes up with garbage bing will in pretty much every identical case. Google search is tops, but without a good dedicated app. Good being the key word. It's not worth using google as the default.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWeeBear View Post
    I am feeling that Lumia will fail in India. Look at these comments on the TV shows facebook handle:

    Indians do mass transfer on bluetooth. Its a dealbreaker.

    Rishi Shinde
    No front camera , no bluetooth, zune and what no google search engine i

    don't like lumia 800. Galaxy S2 is greater than lumia 800.

    Nishant Chhabra
    Has Nokia lumia 710 consists same problems like lumia 810 (front camera

    bluetooth etc
    ) ?

    Anup Jadhav
    no bluetooth,no front camera,and irritating zune app shame on u nokia.we

    are not expecting from u.

    Others are also saying that these lackness at so great price is a Big No.
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    Well it certainly appears that there is work needed in India to get bluetooth changed to allow picture transmission via bluetooth It probably would help everywhere else as well. Thanks for bringing this issue up India is certianly a market worth being in for WP's future growth. Hopefully MS is listening and their engineers will get on this pronto.
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    All Indians live Nokia....don't worry about it. They will buy it. I've seen enough comments on nokias Facebook updates....i love Nokia is greatest ever phone in the world better than all others thank you please.....
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    recently i had to transfer some pictures that i took from my titan to my wife's android tablet. here is the solution that i found: we both use WhatsApp app on WP7 and Android. I used this app to tranfer the images. yes, i was on home wifi too. i think most of the engineers or businessman ( based on the affordablity in India for lumia) who are going to be the first customers of lumia phones in india will have wifi at work or home for sure. i hope MS fixes the issue in the next release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahesha999 View Post
    I am feeling that Lumia will fail in India. Look at these comments on the TV shows facebook handle:

    Indians do mass transfer on bluetooth. Its a dealbreaker.

    Rishi Shinde
    No front camera , no bluetooth, zune and what no google search engine i

    don't like lumia 800. Galaxy S2 is greater than lumia 800.

    Nishant Chhabra
    Has Nokia lumia 710 consists same problems like lumia 810 (front camera

    bluetooth etc
    ) ?

    Anup Jadhav
    no bluetooth,no front camera,and irritating zune app shame on u nokia.we

    are not expecting from u.

    Others are also saying that these lackness at so great price is a Big No.
    I'm from India and I totally agree with the "no bluetooth file transfers"[1] and "the phone is too expensive"[2] complaints. But I don't think that the lack of front facing camera is a major thing. I've never seen anyone using it for video calling, and you know how expensive the 3G plans here are. Maybe it's just me and the region I'm living in.

    [1] Most people I know don't buy or pirate songs from the internet, they just transfer the songs from their friend's mobile.

    [2] Most people here care only about getting the most bang for the buck. They focus on spec sheets and overlook things like industrial design, smoothness of the OS etc. That's why they say Galaxy S2 with its plastic body and Android OS is superior to Lumia with WP7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N8ter View Post
    If google comes up with garbage bing will in pretty much every identical case. Google search is tops, but without a good dedicated app. Good being the key word. It's not worth using google as the default.


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    well, that might be your experience, but believe it or not i have got better results with bing at times.

    overall google is better, no doubting that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paperkraft View Post
    I'm from India and I totally agree with the "no bluetooth file transfers"[1] and "the phone is too expensive"[2] complaints. But I don't think that the lack of front facing camera is a major thing. I've never seen anyone using it for video calling, and you know how expensive the 3G plans here are. Maybe it's just me and the region I'm living in.

    [1] Most people I know don't buy or pirate songs from the internet, they just transfer the songs from their friend's mobile.

    [2] Most people here care only about getting the most bang for the buck. They focus on spec sheets and overlook things like industrial design, smoothness of the OS etc. That's why they say Galaxy S2 with its plastic body and Android OS is superior to Lumia with WP7.
    the specs comparison is very true. and personally i like that there is no bluetooth file transfer allowed, anyway there's too much piracy...
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