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    they push the update out? I'm calling it now. They love to **** over their existing customers in order to pull in new ones.
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    I'm running off contract on AT&T right now, and if they take their sweet time like they have been with updates I will be leaving for greener pastures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalb View Post
    they push the update out? I'm calling it now. They love to **** over their existing customers in order to pull in new ones.
    We live in America my friend and what you described is a classic capitalist tactic. America is quite literally the definition of capitalism, however we're in luck, I don't remember who it was, but a suit at Microsoft said (in an interview) that its very likely that the update will be out before [Mango] devices are.

    Edit: The reason I don't remember who it was that said that was because most of this stuff I read through the WP7 News app by seles games, and that app has many websites' feeds listed so if i can find it I'll post it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtboos View Post
    I'm running off contract on AT&T right now, and if they take their sweet time like they have been with updates I will be leaving for greener pastures.
    I wouldn't worry too much about that, Microsoft seems dead set on getting this update out in the fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    I wouldn't worry too much about that, Microsoft seems dead set on getting this update out in the fall.
    Which means Mango will go through 6 more weeks of OEM and carrier testing before it gets deployed to consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael-Dallas View Post
    Which means Mango will go through 6 more weeks of OEM and carrier testing before it gets deployed to consumers.

    Michael.
    Yes and no; the update itself will likely "be ready" and code complete within a couple of weeks sometime in the early summer. With OEM and carrier testing happening between late summer and early autumn for a mid to late autumn release.

    Edit: there were actually rumors stating that it was already RTM ready when they had the unveiling on the 24th, however Microsoft neither confirmed nor denied the rumors.
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    I'm hope they Don't screw us over like that. But I have a upgrade coming soon.

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    Well sorry, but you have to be a dumb *** if you are going to buy a new phone from AT&T, specifically because AT&T is holding your update back a few weeks. And what if it does take 4-6 weeks to rollout the update. Is Windows Phone that crippled today that you cant wait a few week for an update.

    Never mind, go out and buy the newest phone the day it's released. It will be good for WP sales and help with all those silly charts and surveys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimski View Post
    Well sorry, but you have to be a dumb *** if you are going to buy a new phone from AT&T, specifically because AT&T is holding your update back a few weeks. And what if it does take 4-6 weeks to rollout the update. Is Windows Phone that crippled today that you cant wait a few week for an update.

    Never mind, go out and buy the newest phone the day it's released. It will be good for WP sales and help with all those silly charts and surveys.

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    Okay... Who exactly is this aimed at? And is it hostile or sarcastic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    Okay... Who exactly is this aimed at? And is it hostile or sarcastic?
    Perhaps it is both: hostastic.

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    I don't understand. Why would this be bad? Because the new phones would have Mango a little bit before the rest of us? If that's the reason, then that's just silly. Who cares, it'll get to us. It'll give people some time to figure out how to unlock it so that it's ready for when I get my hands on it. :)
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    Not just for Mango, but for the new Hardware. Bigger screens and what not. And not everyone want to wait for their update. If they up for a upgrade, why not.
    Quote Originally Posted by rpm5101 View Post
    I don't understand. Why would this be bad? Because the new phones would have Mango a little bit before the rest of us? If that's the reason, then that's just silly. Who cares, it'll get to us. It'll give people some time to figure out how to unlock it so that it's ready for when I get my hands on it. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    Okay... Who exactly is this aimed at? And is it hostile or sarcastic?
    Did I say that. Must have been that darn avatar sending out messages again while I wasn't paying attention. But really, if anyone is worried aout AT&T screwing them over (?) go out and buy a shiny new unbranded device and break the chains already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimski View Post
    Did I say that. Must have been that darn avatar sending out messages again while I wasn't paying attention. But really, if anyone is worried aout AT&T screwing them over (?) go out and buy a shiny new unbranded device and break the chains already.

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    You know what's ironic about that though... So Microsoft wants to deliver the update in the fall to all users at the same time, that's great but then unlocked users will secretly still be at the mercy of the carriers as Microsoft won't be able to release the update until all carriers give the green light... Well it shouldn't be too bad if they keep the OEM and carrier approval process under wraps, maybe that's why they didn't confirm or deny the rumors of Mango being RTM at the unveiling on the 24th.
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    It's almost guaranteed that ATT will push out some new Mango phones before updating the old ones. At that time I will either buy a new phone off contract, or jailbreak my current phone while saving up for a new phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figure 8 Dash View Post
    It's almost guaranteed that ATT will push out some new Mango phones before updating the old ones. At that time I will either buy a new phone off contract, or jailbreak my current phone while saving up for a new phone.
    Tup be quite honest, I highly doubt that. Someone at Microsoft actually said that its highly likely that the update will be out before the actual devices are. The new devices will still have their own selling point, the updated hardware itself is a selling point enough to get a new customer, while rolling the update out in a timely fashion will please their early adopters.
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    As history has shown with AT&T, going way back to Window Mobile 6.0, they suck at getting devices updated. I also saw that Mango had been RTM, but I don't believe it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    Tup be quite honest, I highly doubt that. Someone at Microsoft actually said that its highly likely that the update will be out before the actual devices are. The new devices will still have their own selling point, the updated hardware itself is a selling point enough to get a new customer, while rolling the update out in a timely fashion will please their early adopters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1jaxstate1 View Post
    As history has shown with AT&T, going way back to Window Mobile 6.0, they suck at getting devices updated. I also saw that Mango had been RTM, but I don't believe it.
    Well this isn't Windows Mobile. Microsoft is taking a completely different approach to this, including with the carriers, anything less than this type of dedication then the platform deserves to fail. Although I also doubt that the specific build that they showed off was the RTM release it doesn't automatically mean that they don't have a later build back in Redmond. The good thing is that OEMs don't take as long as carriers to optimize the build for devices. Leaving the carriers a good 5 months to test away. With NoDo, I believe AT&T took about two months for the surround (last phone to update) for them to finish testing, now I'm judging this amount of time from the finishing point of OEM optimization, which was sometime in march as that's when it was released to unsubsidized devices. I'm not entirely sure if they'll release the update to unsubsidized first again but if they do then that would probably happen sometime in the summer with the subsidized devices getting it in the fall. I'm more than positive they aren't going to go through the NoDo mess this time around. I guess for the pessimists out there though its better for you guys to think less of AT&T that way if something does go wrong you guys won't be surprised. I guess you can call me an unabashed optimist.
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    I have an unbranded device. AT&T's certification (of lack thereof) is meaningless to me.
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    No it's not WM, WM had major marketshare at one point. I think less of AT&T because their data service is ****ty, and they have always been slow with updates, unless it's a iPhone. And if sales "are not what we expected" I don't see them really doing anything any faster, unless MS really pushes them to get things in order. Which haven't been the case so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    Well this isn't Windows Mobile. Microsoft is taking a completely different approach to this, including with the carriers, anything less than this type of dedication then the platform deserves to fail. Although I also doubt that the specific build that they showed off was the RTM release it doesn't automatically mean that they don't have a later build back in Redmond. The good thing is that OEMs don't take as long as carriers to optimize the build for devices. Leaving the carriers a good 5 months to test away. With NoDo, I believe AT&T took about two months for the surround (last phone to update) for them to finish testing, now I'm judging this amount of time from the finishing point of OEM optimization, which was sometime in march as that's when it was released to unsubsidized devices. I'm not entirely sure if they'll release the update to unsubsidized first again but if they do then that would probably happen sometime in the summer with the subsidized devices getting it in the fall. I'm more than positive they aren't going to go through the NoDo mess this time around. I guess for the pessimists out there though its better for you guys to think less of AT&T that way if something does go wrong you guys won't be surprised. I guess you can call me an unabashed optimist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1jaxstate1 View Post
    I don't see them really doing anything any faster, unless MS really pushes them to get things in order. Which haven't been the case so far.
    That's what I meant, Microsoft NEEDS to push carriers to drive adoption, any less effort than that and the platform will likely fail, and if that happens then it deserves to fail because Microsoft half assed it. Like I said, I highly doubt Microsoft wants another NoDo debacle.
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    MS need to put some cash in their hands. I remember when AT&T allowed people who wasn't due for a upgrade to upgrade, if they were getting the new iPhone. Hopefully we get some of this type love.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    That's what I meant, Microsoft NEEDS to push carriers to drive adoption, any less effort than that and the platform will likely fail, and if that happens then it deserves to fail because Microsoft half assed it. Like I said, I highly doubt Microsoft wants another NoDo debacle.
    MS need to put train the people selling the phones. I was told that WP7 was just WM skinned. :\ and for some reason, a lot of people have some deep seeded hate for MS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1jaxstate1 View Post
    MS need to put some cash in their hands. I remember when AT&T allowed people who wasn't due for a upgrade to upgrade, if they were getting the new iPhone. Hopefully we get some of this type love.
    I agree, hopefully something like this can happen with the flagship (Nokia) Windows Phones.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1jaxstate1 View Post
    MS need to put train the people selling the phones. I was told that WP7 was just WM skinned. :\ and for some reason, a lot of people have some deep seeded hate for MS.
    True, who started the Microsoft hate? They're ****in idiots whoever they were. At least Microsoft is putting that training staff out there in the wild to teach carrier sales people about Windows Phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    True, who started the Microsoft hate? They're ****in idiots whoever they were. At least Microsoft is putting that training staff out there in the wild to teach carrier sales people about Windows Phone.
    Hatred for MS stretches all the way back to the 90s. A lot of people absolutely hate MS and finds ways to tarnish their name at every turn. It's quite sad really. It doesn't matter how good of a product MS puts out, initial reaction is always "It sucks because it's Microsoft." It took a very long time (and Halo) before people started to view the Xbox as a legit gaming platform. However that hasn't stopped people from hating everything MS makes, from Windows 7 to Microsoft Word. And while MS is by no means perfect (no big tech company is), I'm surely not going to turn away from a great product because liking Microsoft products isn't "cool" as jumping on the Google/Apple bandwagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisraul924 View Post
    Tup be quite honest, I highly doubt that. Someone at Microsoft actually said that its highly likely that the update will be out before the actual devices are. The new devices will still have their own selling point, the updated hardware itself is a selling point enough to get a new customer, while rolling the update out in a timely fashion will please their early adopters.
    The update may be out but will ATT release it in a timely fashion?

    The security update has been out for months and ATT hasn't released that either. Carriers need to find a way to get updates out faster. I mean surely they can't be worried about losing marketshare because someone who is 5 months into a 2 year contract got an update for his phone.
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