12-26-2012, 04:15 AM #1
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The start menu is useless in W8... people should just stop complaining about it... Was the start menu the most used feature of Windows XP/7? certainly not... the only time it was useful it was when I had to go on the control panel... now I simply have to click on the windows key and click on the control panel tile that I pined to the start screen... How is that hard?
It's called moving forward... I couldn't care less about the lack of start menu... If people can complain about something, they will...
But yeah don't upgrade to Windows 8, it might have better performances, better security against malwares, cloud integration, social media integration or a apps store... No stay away from all that because you don't have a start menu in W8 and that is the most important feature an OS can have!
I can't believe how people are so attached to their damn start menu! It was cool in Windows XP then it was less useful in Windows 7 and now we don't need it anymore... Power users that cannot understand a new OS are not power users, so they should stop complaining about Windows 8 not being power users friendly. It is a great OS for any kind of user... but it has a learning curve just like anything new...
I wish everyone was smart enough to understand that, but it seems like journalists believe that Windows users are more likely to be completely lost in learning how Apple's OS X work than spending 2 days of learning the W8's new interface and features... and there is no start menu in OS X... it's messy OS that is certainly not intuitive, but gets more credits for it's "simplicity" than Windows 7/8.
So how is the lack of Start Menu ruining your life?
12-26-2012, 04:33 AM #2
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I don't use Start Menu. I have so many programs installed that finding something by scrolling in Start Menu is a lost case. I pin my most used programs to the task bar. The task bar is what I use day in day out. Having no Start Menu does not impede me in any way.
12-26-2012, 04:48 AM #3
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It is not the lack of Start Menu, that is ruining my life, it's more the lack of a fast way to turn of my computer (sure, it's easy to create a shortcut, but I had to look it up anyway, not so easy for someone who isn't really interested in these things), the lack of a context menu (Why do I have to move my mouse that much if I right click something? My screen is large!) and the lack for dual screen support*.
*The only improvement in dual screen support for Windows 8, is different wallpapers on either screen. I can't even attach a window to the right side of the left screen.
And why are there two control panels anyway? One for the "old" system, and one for the "metro" stuff?
I think it's not about the start menu, it's about this terrible mess Microsoft created by trying to merge tablets and computers. And don't get me wrong, I love Windows Phone 8, I just can't start to like Windows 8.
12-26-2012, 04:56 AM #4
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- 12-27-2012, 08:42 AM #6
Dual screen is a bit off still. If I am watching a video in VLC desktop and go to my start screen to open mail, then click my movie screen to change volume or pause, the mail screen will minimize. However, if I go to my mail app, then alt+tab and select the vlc window with my mouse, mail will stay up on one screen and vlc will be the active screen again. But wait. If I alt+tab and then use tab to switch between windows it will minimize my mail app. Not sure why this happens. Sometimes when I switch between metro apps and desktop apps, both stay visible. Most times it does not. Quite annoying.
- 12-27-2012, 06:05 PM #7
I installed Windows 8 on my MacBook Pro and I'm quite impressed. The Start screen feels quite useful to me actually. Sure its a very different way of doing things that must have taken quite a bit of out of the box thinking to come up with but its definitely a more efficient and useful way of doing things given that people are willing to step out of their comfort zone. The traditional Start button, desktop paradigm was actually not intuitive. I say this because if you give a system with that layout to someone who's never used a computer before they find it quite confusing. Indeed we had (maybe still have) training classes that just teach you how to operate that stuff, which is ridiculous since a UI should be user friendly to the extent that its a natural extension of how you do things.
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- 01-03-2013, 12:42 AM #9
For the 2 control panels. I assuming you are referring to the "PC settings" under the settings charm? I don't see what is wrong with it. You have a quick and easy to access settings page with commonly used settings to run your entire computer. I don't think my parents need to go into the actual control panel for anything... But if they want to make quick PC changes, there is a spot for what they need. You may disagree but everything is in there for light, casual PC users that aren't very computer savvy.
As for quick shutting down the computer. You do realize that just hitting your power button on your desktop or laptop will turn the computer off, right? and im not talking about holding it for 10 seconds until it forces a shutdown.. I mean just press the button and it will turn the PC off.. with that aside (which is easier then even the win 7 off), you could also just open the start menu and start typing "turn off" and under settings, the first option is "turn off my PC". But I will admit, it took me exactly 3 Mississippi seconds to get from this textbox to the PC shutdown via the charms menu. I could see how that might be a turn off for people (ooooo... punny?)...
But to go back to the topic at hand.. Yes, I prefer the win8 start menu because honestly, was the old start menu REALLY that important? how often did you think "oh I can't wait to go home and hit the start menu button!"... never! you wanted to go home and play your games, watch a movie, browse the internet, whatever! all of which can be done even easier (since you can fully organize it now) in the windows 8 start menu.. as well as have live tile updates for many of those tasks I just mentioned.. not to mention the social integration and such too and all the other win8 related features.
01-03-2013, 02:10 AM #11
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Let's assume Microsoft would decide, well, people nowadays have cordless mice, we should put this to use. In Windows 8.5/9 people will turn off the computer by kissing the bottom of the mouse (this is ergonomic, and people won't get an infection that way). It's fast, it's efficient, studies showed that people touch their face all the time, so it's a natural arm movement, everybody loves kissing, it's just perfect. So, yes, I see the reason in this, it all makes sense to me, it's a nice explanation... except, it feels forced, it feels strange, it feels unnecessary. And yes, this is a unrealistic and extreme example, and I really meant it to be at least a little bit funny, but it shows the way I feel about the new start menu.
So, am I glad you guys love Windows 8? Yes, I am, and I really would love to love it too. Do I love it? No, I don't. Maybe it is because Win 7 is a great system and I don't see another reason to change it except that Microsoft is afraid of losing the tablet market and I really don't see any use in tablets, except of them being (expensive and boring) toys.
Can I live with Windows 8? Sure, but to me it feels as if Microsoft waited to long, and then they panicked.
And after all, it's just my opinion, so no hard feelings :)
Do I see anything good in Windows 8? Yes, I think it was a great idea to unify tablets, phones and computers, and this mostly because of apps. New computers will be sold with Windows 8, Windows 8 will grow for sure, apps will be programmed. That will lead to more apps for Windows RT and will make the tablet area stronger. These apps are easily brought onto Windows Phone 8, so that makes me happy. Do I like how it was executed by Microsoft? ...no, because of the reasons I wrote here before, not really.
- 01-03-2013, 08:28 AM #12
I could care less about the start menu. I use it as much as I use the finder in OSX, in other words, rarely. What I don't like about W8 is the impersonal nature of the home screen. When I fire up my laptop or convertible, I'm always greeted by my beautiful daughter smiling at me. I don't know about the rest of you, but a bunch of boxes before my 1st coffee doesn't do it for me.
- 01-03-2013, 12:55 PM #14
01-03-2013, 01:47 PM #15
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I haven't upgraded my main PC to Windows 8 yet because I want to wait until I know for sure that some older versions of Maya, Photoshop, etc... work well enough, and that there are significant enough improvements to make it worth it for my 5 yr old PC.
Otherwise, I'll just wait another few months and upgrade to a brand new PC.
I'd also like to see a decent selection of good touch-screen monitors available as stand-alones. The only decent ones I've seen appear to be part of all-in-one PCs. But since I need to have a decent graphics card, that's not an option for me.
- 01-03-2013, 02:41 PM #17
- 01-04-2013, 10:32 PM #18
I just received my Windows 8 computer (ASUS VivoBook X202E, an 11.6" touchscreen with a Core i3 processor) and I don't miss the Start button (Charms bar and just typing on the main screen do the trick). What I DO miss is being able to easily go back one step while in an app, the Windows Store, settings, etc. while in the Metro interface. I've found myself pressing the Esc button multiple times in an effort to go back a step (like you can do on the HTC Trophy Windows Phone and for that matter Android devices but you can't do on an iPhone unless there is a dedicated back button on the screen). Sure, I could default to "Windows 7 without a Start button" mode or swipe/pull down from the top of the screen to exit the app/screen, but I don't always want to do that.
Two other things I don't like are 1) how when you are downloading an app, the toast notifications bump you out of the app type selection screen to the main app selection screen and 2) the (apparent) inability to get the battery level when in Metro interface mode.
I have to play around with Windows 8 more, but part of me thinks it is combination of something really awesome and something that is a little screwed up and hasn't had all the kinks worked out yet. When I use my (also new) ASUS Transformer Pad TF300 in netbook configuration (which is how I almost always use it when I use it) or even my year-old Windows 7 laptop, I can't help but think clicking on static icons is boring. On the other hand, there are enough niggling things I've experienced with Windows 8 (things I did not experience with Windows Phone 7) that's it's annoying. I am very encouraged about Windows 8 going forward though.
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- 01-04-2013, 10:34 PM #19
01-04-2013, 10:48 PM #20
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I like the start menu since Vista to Windows 7. Just hit Windows key and type away the program you want to open. Easy. I find it hard to believe that the Windows 8 start menu is faster or more convenient. It's filling up the whole screen, feeling bloated. And yes, the "damn start menu" is what has been keeping me away from Windows 8. It just feels so wrong for desktop. I'm not saying Windows 8 is worse than Windows 7 - I believe it has better features and so on. It is indeed a whole new version of this software. And I will probably update to it sometime, but I will probably investigate some means to get the old Start menu back.
Point is I fail to see how the new start menu is actually better than the old (Windows 7). I find it inferior, clearly designed tablets in mind. This said, I have not used Windows 8 yet and there might be something I don't know.
- 01-04-2013, 10:59 PM #21
- 01-05-2013, 08:57 AM #22
2-1.) Notifications bump you out of the app type selection screen? im not sure what you are referring to here, sorry.
2-2.) I am on my desktop right now so I don't have a battery indicator. However on my tablet in the charms menu it shows the battery icon next to the time I assume that is the same on laptops. Unless you mean you need to see the % which it does not show (similar to how WP8 doesn't show it).
I agree with you the OS still has some kinks... If you recall all the people that upgraded to Mountain Lion and things like the Chrome browser didn't work.. and people's computers were crashing / restarting.. but they got fixed. Microsoft has shown so far with both win 8, and wp8, that they are dedicated and working up updates, bug fixes, features, and more. I will be the first to admit that it takes a bit to get learn your way around the new stuff. But I feel it's worth it.
like the start menu since Vista to Windows 7. Just hit Windows key and type away the program you want to open. Easy
- 01-05-2013, 11:37 AM #23
IMO, physical Escape button on desktop/laptop keyboard = physical Back button on smartphone/tablet.
Because Microsoft has created an OS that has the look and feel of a mobile OS (and looks very similar to WP 7/WP 8) even though it is also a desktop OS, IMO they need to have commands that bridge that gap. Some apps/screens in Windows 8 do not have a virtual back button. On my HTC Trophy I typically used the physical back button at the bottom of the phone to move "back" in an app. I want a key in Windows 8 that accomplishes the same thing when there isn't a virtual back button on the screen.
(To me, the back button issue on Windows 8 is semi-similar to the lack of a back button on iOS devices when you open a link in an e-mail and then need to close out the linked page and reenter the e-mail if you want to stay in your e-mail after reading the linked page).
NOTE - I just realized one of the issues may be that web pages accessed through apps don't have the same interface for going back a page as webpages accessed through a browser. I'll use an example - if I'm in the sports or news app and am reading the "front page" of a story, I expect to be able to use a back button (virtual or physical) to go back to the previous webpage. Of course, there isn't a previous webpage - it's the first page of the app. However, because webpages in apps look similar to webpages in a browser, I'm getting confused/thrown off when I try to exit the webpage in a news/sports app.
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01-07-2013, 11:50 PM #24
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I think Apple users are just less inclined to freak out the way windows users have over W8. Personally, I'm now thinking if switching to windows 8 now because I find the touch screen inclusion so impressive to use.
01-08-2013, 06:17 AM #25
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When I first installed Win8 beta I did miss the start button. That lasted a whole hour or so. The problem is that MS did not do a good job showing why you didn't need it. though every Win8 OS comes with a video showing you how to shut down or reboot. it's simple be that in desktop mode or metro mode.I find now that I'm using more of the Win 8 apps on the start page than I was before. I have Win 8 running on my gaming rig...on a laptop and on a surface.
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