View Poll Results: What do you think why OEMs not including quad cores on WP?

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  • To just create one more in-between generation of phones.

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  • They dont have capability to do so.

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  • Windows Phone 8 dont need it.

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  1. Mahesha999's Avatar
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    I know the only reply: WP does not need it. It runs smoothly on dual.

    But want to point out some facts:
    1. None of OEM is now incapable of producing quad core WP.
    2. With time quad core WP will be surely launched with so called 3rd gen WP
    3. Being NT at the core WP8 will very efficiently use all core of quad core and will then make possible even more complex programs.

    I think since Windows, WP will follow same phenomena of desktop processing power with only difference that quad cores in phones have less base frequency.

    Now the replies will be like currently WP does not need, but when OEMs will launch quads there will still be no such need, but eventually more complex apps will get created.
    (Hope those apps will not get slower on dual cores)

    So the point - does OEMs just playing bad cards to create just one in-between generation on WP platform in order to create possibility of forcing users to upgrade to the 3rd gen phones.

    Good to talk on same thread even after the 3rd gen phones will be launched.

    Am sure if Surface phone comes up, it will have quad cores and will boot up 3rd gen.
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    There's no quad core because then you won't have a reason to upgrade sooner.
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    The phone manufacturers aren't going to skip over all the money they are going to make off dual core WP phones. Once that horse had been ridden to its death quad cores will then be deployed.....for a price.

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    Imo if oems did quad core they would require a much larger battery for an insignificant increase in performance.
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    Unless applications are optimized for a quad core you get the same performance as a dual or single core. WP8 seems to run fine on a dual core so there really is no need for more cores, yet. Unless you plan to be running tons of apps at once you wont notice a difference. Heck, even most computer programs aren't designed to use more than 2 cores. So a quad core would mean less battery life for less than noticeable spec increase.
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    There are no quad cores because the currently released build of the OS has only been optimized and tested on certain SoCs, which happen to be dual core. Microsoft is surely working on expanding this support and we'll probably see it in the spring.
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    Quad core? You're way behind the times I am talking octo core :D

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    Pretty much any big application will be designed around the iPhone, and thats dual core. Its going to be a year before the iPhone goes quad core, at which point you'll start seeing a necessity for quad core.

    So, you have the 920 & 924, with Dual and Quad core, would you pay $50+ extra, for a phone that has 2 extra cores, that may get used by applications in a years time?
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    Can someone point me to an application that would significantly benefit from a quad core? I mean really see a performance boost over dual core setup, not something marginal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    Can someone point me to an application that would significantly benefit from a quad core? I mean really see a performance boost over dual core setup, not something marginal?

    Hard mode: No games.
    Web browser?

    In reality though, the best reason to go quad core is that the newer SoCs have a significantly improved GPU. I know it is unrelated to the core count though.
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    Update installation time would probably be reduced a bit with the install being spread out over four cores, providing there are no bottlenecks.
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    Ever used the maps app? See how long it takes to render? That would be significantly improved. Ever used any app with pictures? That would be significantly improved. Games would be hugely improved as stated more due to the improved GPU power than CPU. But games that have AI would see a huge improvement. Right now, AI shares a space in line with all the other processes in a game. So user pushes right, that takes a cycle and core. Screen moves right, that takes a cycle and core at the same time. Now AI has to wait till one of the cores is available to perform its process.
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    Quad cores? So in the end what we want are pocket computers that we can talk on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by power5 View Post
    Ever used the maps app? See how long it takes to render? That would be significantly improved. Ever used any app with pictures? That would be significantly improved. Games would be hugely improved as stated more due to the improved GPU power than CPU. But games that have AI would see a huge improvement. Right now, AI shares a space in line with all the other processes in a game. So user pushes right, that takes a cycle and core. Screen moves right, that takes a cycle and core at the same time. Now AI has to wait till one of the cores is available to perform its process.
    Maps already renders WORLDS faster on the new dual core devices. Even then, the apps in question have to be OPTIMIZED for the additional cores. Easy Mode achievement still not unlocked.
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    If an app is written to utilize 2 cores it doesn't necessarily mean that you need to rewrite it for 4 cores. You just break up any work that you can into threads and let the CPU decide how to run it. A quad core should provide better performance immediately without having to rewrite everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    Quad core? You're way behind the times I am talking octo core :D

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    Umm ya my TaskManager also shows 8 cores, but am sure both of us are not having octo-core, its quad core with Intel HyperThreading technology that emulates each physical core to two logical cores summing up to octo-core. Don't cheat :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    Can someone point me to an application that would significantly benefit from a quad core? I mean really see a performance boost over dual core setup, not something marginal?

    Hard mode: No games.
    Instead of pointing to specific app I will point out to the fact that my desktop performance is significantly improved as I moved from P4 to Core 2 Duo to i7.Since the same Windows platform this will be replicated on the Windows Phone. And since I am developer I habitually do multitasking, reading book on some tech, opening multiple tabs (min 4) in browser to read related articles and opening OneNote to jot down important points. And never care if some email, twitter client is already running in the back.

    So I feel multi-cores are really important.

    And I also feel that we here just un-necessarily considering apps made to utilize multiple cores. I feel NT kernel is itself optimized to run multiple thread on separate cores. So if not just apps but the performance improvement can also be seen at OS level.

    And yeah I do feel MS should make task switching really fast. Holding down back button for 1/2 second will annoy. It should be quick like Alt+Tab and boom. May they put some multiple key pushes like: Windows Key+Back
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailUK View Post
    Pretty much any big application will be designed around the iPhone, and thats dual core. Its going to be a year before the iPhone goes quad core, at which point you'll start seeing a necessity for quad core.

    So, you have the 920 & 924, with Dual and Quad core, would you pay $50+ extra, for a phone that has 2 extra cores, that may get used by applications in a years time?
    I agree with the first part of this. I think the iPhone will be the trend setter for years to come... and it makes me sad... I would like to see an Android or even WP get up there and do the trend setting and I believe it could happen, I'm just not sure when.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berty6294 View Post
    Imo if oems did quad core they would require a much larger battery for an insignificant increase in performance.
    Why? Dual cores run more efficient than single core and quad core runs more efficient than both. The problem is that there is nothing at the moment to utilize all the cores. They are just now getting the dual core stuff down. That goes for all the OS's. A quad core android is a joke at the moment and by the time it's utilized there will be more efficient quads out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by independentvolume View Post
    Why? Dual cores run more efficient than single core and quad core runs more efficient than both. The problem is that there is nothing at the moment to utilize all the cores. They are just now getting the dual core stuff down. That goes for all the OS's. A quad core android is a joke at the moment and by the time it's utilized there will be more efficient quads out there.

    Please don't stick to the apps optimized for multiple cores. Running 4 apps side by side is not a big deal.
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    You guys should think out of the box. It has no bearing on whether the phone needs it or not. Microsoft has eyes, they can tell that a good percentage of sells will come from stats alone because Android is selling like hotcakes with HTC and LG putting out quad core behemoths.

    OP, you need to add another poll option. Microsoft is not certifying quad core WP8 because then the phone would be as fast and even faster than their Surface. The surface is a quad core Tegra 3 at 1.4 Ghz. Numerous bench marks have shown the Qualcomm S4 Pro runs circles around the Tegra 3. So WP8 made by other OEM's will not and can not be faster than their baby. Surface is their sales engine, WP8 is not.
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    Here is the reason
    Windows Phone 8 is optimized for use a a specific chip. It has been under development for quite a while now. Microsoft wanted to launch for holiday 2012, and the first quad-core, LTE enabled chip JUST became available for use and all of one phone has been announced using it, and it is still unreleased. So basically, MS was faced with the same choice Android phone makers have been facing for the past year. Do I go quad-core or LTE? What Android makers did was do Quad Core for the unlocked/international version and LTE dual core for the US version. Microsoft didn't want to develope for two chip sets right away, and realized that LTE is going to become more wide spread rapidly and that data speed was a bigger bottle neck in performance than the one created by having a dual core instead of a quad core processor. So they chose to go with a dual-core, LTE enabled Qualcomm S4. You can bet your bottom dollar that they will use the quad core S4 as their next chip of choice, but they didn't skip it to create another interm generation of phones (hello all WP7.5 devices), but to meet their target launch date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdevenberg View Post
    What Android makers did was do Quad Core for the unlocked/international version and LTE dual core for the US version.
    The Android LG Optimus G, (already released US), is quad core S4 Pro with LTE. They figured it out before WP8 release. So this is definately not a hardware restriction, but a Microsoft imposed limitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebsn View Post
    The Android LG Optimus G, (already released US), is quad core S4 Pro with LTE. They figured it out before WP8 release. So this is definately not a hardware restriction, but a Microsoft imposed limitation.
    I didn't realize the Optimus G was already out, I don't really follow Android launches any more. Android phones will always have the latest technology before Windows Phone and iPhone. That is the trade off you get when you take away device maker freedom in the name of a stable OS. I think MS made the right choice. One thing people are ignoring is the fact that all Windows Phone's would cost more had they gone with the S4 Pro. MS needs mid-range handsets too. The dual core version of the S4 is still a perfectly powerful, capable chip that will cost less money. I really see no reason for MS to have gone quad core so early for so little gain.
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    Coding for DC is not very different than coding for 8C. You tell the OS to utilize as many cores as available. I am not a programmer, but there is no way MS Word is coded for DC, then recoded for TC, then recoded for QC, then recoded for HC, then recoded for 8C. Its coded to simply utilize as many cores as possible for certain tasks. The major tasks are handled with priority. At least that is how I envision it. Correct me if I am wrong.
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