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    It wouldn't be surprising for Verizon to be a little late with their WP8 rollout given the changes needed for the CDMA network. I was not worried for a minute that they would back out. Verizon's decision to pass on new handsets until WP8 probably had more to do with the inability to upgrade than a lack of long term support for windows phone. They have been doing well getting the updates out for the Trophy. Do AT&T customers all have Tango yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesAD60 View Post
    It wouldn't be surprising for Verizon to be a little late with their WP8 rollout given the changes needed for the CDMA network. I was not worried for a minute that they would back out. Verizon's decision to pass on new handsets until WP8 probably had more to do with the inability to upgrade than a lack of long term support for windows phone. They have been doing well getting the updates out for the Trophy. Do AT&T customers all have Tango yet?

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    The only phone at&t pushed updates for was the Lumia. I too believe Verizon didn't get on the last wave of wp7 because they knew they were legacy devices out of the gate. At&t is going to be dealing with a lot of sour customers soon. Also, what are the chances of the phones that aren't the 900 getting 7.8? I'm guessing close to zero while I would give the Trophy a darn near 100% chance.
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    Ok. So to me it sounds like Verizon's first phones will be the 8X (stylish) and Ativ S (solid reception). I don't think it would be the 822 because if it's like most Nokias, it is both stylish AND solid reception. So maybe the 822 is being pushed back a little.

    As for Verizon getting a quad-core 9xx in February, that's great news. The difference in performance may not be that big, but "quad-core" on a spec sheet does help to sell a product. This also allows AT&T long enough with the 920 where they will feel comfortable promoting the heck out of it until Christmas.

    The quad-core also allows Verizon to charge full price for the new phone at around the time that AT&T will be cutting the price of the 920.

    I know that many consumers don't like it, but if you're an OEM without much mindshare, it's SMART to have exclusivity because of the promotions and commitments that come along with it from the carriers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    Ok. So to me it sounds like Verizon's first phones will be the 8X (stylish) and Ativ S (solid reception). I don't think it would be the 822 because if it's like most Nokias, it is both stylish AND solid reception. So maybe the 822 is being pushed back a little.

    As for Verizon getting a quad-core 9xx in February, that's great news. The difference in performance may not be that big, but "quad-core" on a spec sheet does help to sell a product. This also allows AT&T long enough with the 920 where they will feel comfortable promoting the heck out of it until Christmas.

    The quad-core also allows Verizon to charge full price for the new phone at around the time that AT&T will be cutting the price of the 920.

    I know that many consumers don't like it, but if you're an OEM without much mindshare, it's SMART to have exclusivity because of the promotions and commitments that come along with it from the carriers.
    Have you seen the 822? It's far from stylish. My trophy is better looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by independentvolume View Post
    Have you seen the 822? It's far from stylish. My trophy is better looking.

    Ummm... congratulations?
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    Again, I'm not buying the rumors of a 922 with better specs so soon after the release of the 920. It's not the way Nokia has usually handled device releases, and they wouldn't come out with a better device just for one carrier (I understand how big that carrier is, but still).

    If they did have a device with improved specs it would come out in Europe first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    Ummm... congratulations?
    I think his point was that the 822, if it looks anything like the leaked pictures, is not what most people would call stylish. It's utilitarian at best.

    I'm betting on the 8X and 822 at launch, with the Ativ S coming shortly after (Samsung and Verizon do have a strong relationship, after all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by squire777 View Post
    Again, I'm not buying the rumors of a 922 with better specs so soon after the release of the 920. It's not the way Nokia has usually handled device releases, and they wouldn't come out with a better device just for one carrier (I understand how big that carrier is, but still).

    If they did have a device with improved specs it would come out in Europe first.
    The Lumia 900 was announced for and released first on AT&T. A U.S. carrier-exclusive 922 would follow that pattern quite closely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fierywater View Post
    I think his point was that the 822, if it looks anything like the leaked pictures, is not what most people would call stylish. It's utilitarian at best.



    I'm betting on the 8X and 822 at launch, with the Ativ S coming shortly after (Samsung and Verizon do have a strong relationship, after all).

    Maybe if you're only looking at the black with black back plate.

    It doesn't have to be a stylishness that you like, but the fact that it can be accessorized with different colored back plates is "stylish."

    I hate the splash of color on the speaker on the 8X, but I can still admit that it can be described as "stylish."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    It doesn't have to be a stylishness that you like, but the fact that it can be accessorized with different colored back plates is "stylish."
    The most recent rumors have suggested that the 822 for Verizon will not have customizable backplates like the 810 and 820, but it will have wireless charging.

    For what it's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fierywater View Post
    The most recent rumors have suggested that the 822 for Verizon will not have customizable backplates like the 810 and 820, but it will have wireless charging.



    For what it's worth.
    Really? If so, then take back my "stylish" comments if true.

    I was under the impression that it would have its own colored covers, but they were just incompatible with the ones on the 820.
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    Guess I'm going to hold off on a WP8 purchase till these second wave of WP devices are revealed early 2013 (as well as the Surface Phone). I'm pretty sure my Surface RT will keep me entertained till then. Although I'm going to have to deal with my Focus crashing several times a day ( I think it's cause I dropped it too many times).
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    Quote Originally Posted by squire777 View Post
    Again, I'm not buying the rumors of a 922 with better specs so soon after the release of the 920. It's not the way Nokia has usually handled device releases, and they wouldn't come out with a better device just for one carrier (I understand how big that carrier is, but still).

    If they did have a device with improved specs it would come out in Europe first.
    Nokia's Chris Webber said back in January “The key to getting more Lumia phones into consumers’ hands is giving each carrier a “unique proposition,” so they can show how the devices stand out from the iPhone or Android models.”

    Think what you want then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    Simple. It's not Lumia 920 anymore.
    I love it. Exactly.

    And thanks for info. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aventador779 View Post
    Nokia's Chris Webber said back in January “The key to getting more Lumia phones into consumers’ hands is giving each carrier a “unique proposition,” so they can show how the devices stand out from the iPhone or Android models.”

    Think what you want then.
    So much for the 822 standing out, they didn't quite nail that one.
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    Talked to my DM a little more. HTC 8X and Nokia 822 at launch. The pictures of the 822 are misleading. He said it's styled like the Trophy but with a bigger screen.

    Also, lol@ winning guy thinking a CDMA Samsung phone has good reception
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    Ok. So to me it sounds like Verizon's first phones will be the 8X (stylish) and Ativ S (solid reception). I don't think it would be the 822 because if it's like most Nokias, it is both stylish AND solid reception. So maybe the 822 is being pushed back a little.

    As for Verizon getting a quad-core 9xx in February, that's great news. The difference in performance may not be that big, but "quad-core" on a spec sheet does help to sell a product. This also allows AT&T long enough with the 920 where they will feel comfortable promoting the heck out of it until Christmas.

    The quad-core also allows Verizon to charge full price for the new phone at around the time that AT&T will be cutting the price of the 920.

    I know that many consumers don't like it, but if you're an OEM without much mindshare, it's SMART to have exclusivity because of the promotions and commitments that come along with it from the carriers.
    It'll be the 8X and 822. He already said there would be no Samsung at the training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honestabebread View Post
    Talked to my DM a little more. HTC 8X and Nokia 822 at launch. The pictures of the 822 are misleading. He said it's styled like the Trophy but with a bigger screen.



    Also, lol@ winning guy thinking a CDMA Samsung phone has good reception

    Is Samsung really that bad on CDMA?


    I know my HTC sucks for reception. But I'm on GSM.
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    Thanks for the info. I'm still hearing grumblings from a source of mine that a 9xx Verizon variant could hit as early as November 12.

    Any idea of the Verizon wp8 launch day? I've also heard maybe 11/2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    Is Samsung really that bad on CDMA?


    I know my HTC sucks for reception. But I'm on GSM.
    Read through some android forums about Samsung phones on Verizon. They consistently have poorer reception than Motorola and HTC. If you're in a good area you won't have problems, but for those in a poorer area like me Samsung is something to be avoided.
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    Honestabebread and Mr. Macphisto: What are the chances of Verizon allowing early upgrades to WP8 around the holidays? My upgrade is in March, but I am hoping I can get moved up to around Thanksgiving or Christmas. I haven't called customer support and talked to them, I might try this week though.
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    I doubt Verizon will be very accommodating as far as early upgrades. I think with a lackluster 822 from Nokia I'm better off waiting till May. I can still get an 8x if that's still the best available.

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    I don't mean to display my ignorance..... but does the absence of the ATIV during training mean it won't be on the shelves? We aren't talking about Android handsets, with various skins and different features, the OS should be pretty consistant across all OEMs, right?

    Just wondering, without a 9xx on Verizon, I would really like to compare the 8X and the ATIV S.

    BTW, thanks honestabebread for the great info! I'm sure there are people who would be none too happy that you are sharing this stuff with us, so thanks for taking the risk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottcraft View Post
    Honestabebread and Mr. Macphisto: What are the chances of Verizon allowing early upgrades to WP8 around the holidays? My upgrade is in March, but I am hoping I can get moved up to around Thanksgiving or Christmas. I haven't called customer support and talked to them, I might try this week though.
    I highly, highly doubt this. VZW does not bend rules, ever. However I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of Trophy loyalty credit. For example, anyone with a Droid X2 or Droid 3 gets $100 off the new line of Razrs. We do pretty well working with the OEMs in that regard. Another example is when the S3 launched you got $50 off a Sammy tablet. I have heard we may have a similar promo on Black Friday where you get $100 off of a W8 tab when buying a WP8. We'll just have to see. I'm bumming I wasted my upgrade on the Intuition. Love the phone but I had idea the 8X was coming so quickly.

    EDIT: I can't stress enough how important VzW is making WP8 sound internally. We haven't had this level of hands on training since the iPhone 4. All retail employees are getting 4-5 hours of mandatory hands on training. Serious business here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honestabebread View Post
    I highly, highly doubt this. VZW does not bend rules, ever. However I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of Trophy loyalty credit. For example, anyone with a Droid X2 or Droid 3 gets $100 off the new line of Razrs. We do pretty well working with the OEMs in that regard. Another example is when the S3 launched you got $50 off a Sammy tablet. I have heard we may have a similar promo on Black Friday where you get $100 off of a W8 tab when buying a WP8. We'll just have to see. I'm bumming I wasted my upgrade on the Intuition. Love the phone but I had idea the 8X was coming so quickly.

    EDIT: I can't stress enough how important VzW is making WP8 sound internally. We haven't had this level of hands on training since the iPhone 4. All retail employees are getting 4-5 hours of mandatory hands on training. Serious business here.
    Damn that is a lot
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