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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    And if you purchase an AT&T Xperia, iPhone or BlackBerry, you'll be making the same enraged post on AndroidCentral, TiPB, or Crackberry.com, because AT&T won't unlock those either.

    Unless you are fortunate, powerful, influential or violent, AT&T will NOT unlock your phone. That's a basic rule.
    I just had AT&T officially unlock my iPhone 5 today. It was purchased 60 days ago, on-contract and locked. It should also be noted that even Apple does not currently sell unlocked iPhone 5's yet, so clearly it can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmjr90 View Post
    Only AT&T-based MVNOs like StraightTalk will work without unlocking the device. When I pay any of these MVNOs, they in turn pay AT&T for use of their network. So, it is in fact impossible to use a locked 920 in the US without somehow paying AT&T.
    I guess the only solution left is to move to Europe. Even if you get a 920 unlocked in the US, you are ultimately involved with AT&T in some fashion, since you ultimately pay for the use of their towers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlm1950 View Post
    I guess the only solution left is to move to Europe. Even if you get a 920 unlocked in the US, you are ultimately involved with AT&T in some fashion, since you ultimately pay for the use of their towers.
    Um...T-Mobile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmjr90 View Post
    Um...T-Mobile.
    In most regions, right now, your unlocked GSM phone will only run at EDGE speeds on T-Mobile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    In most regions, right now, your unlocked GSM phone will only run at EDGE speeds on T-Mobile.
    Luckily I'm in one of refarmed region where T-Mo has enabled HSPA+ on the 1900MHz band:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmjr90 View Post
    Um...T-Mobile.
    Well, there you go.
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    not to sound harsh BUT ya should have done at least a bit of research before buying an AT&T Lumia 920... beyond plenty of info all over the net about how the Lumia 900 from AT&T wasn't unlockable until the exclusive deal was over.


    Rogers Lumia 900's were unlockable sooo I'm willing to bet the 920 is the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villain View Post
    not to sound harsh BUT ya should have done at least a bit of research before buying an AT&T Lumia 920... beyond plenty of info all over the net about how the Lumia 900 from AT&T wasn't unlockable until the exclusive deal was over.
    I knew going into it that the 920 was technically not unlockable. I had bought the iPhone 5 on AT&T (because no unlocked models were available) two months ago (my first time on AT&T and first time in a while being on contract) and I thought since I'm on AT&T anyway, I'll get the 920 off-contract and just swap SIMs whenever I want. Turns out I can't stand AT&T, their customer service, speeds, and prices are absolutely horrible and I decided I had to leave. My iPhone would be unlockable today (60 days after I started on AT&T) and I have a Nexus 4, so I could easily use any MVNO or T-Mobile...the only issue is/was the 920.

    That's when I set out to try to get AT&T to unlock it...thus the saga described in my first post. Even ignoring the fact that the 920 is an AT&T exclusive, it's frustrating that there isn't a single WP8 device available in the US unlocked and neither Microsoft nor any manufacturers will sell them to you that way (not even the non-exclusives). THIS is what pisses me off about carrier influence!

    I will say though, this morning, just as I was about to leave to return my 920 to the Microsoft Store...I thought long and hard and I decided I just couldn't get rid of it. I've cancelled my AT&T service though...so I guess I'll be using it as a WiFi only device, at least until unlock codes become available.
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    I am FURIOUS. Sprint will NOT unlock my HTC Arrive, Verizon won't let me use it on their network, prepaid AND IT IS ALL MICROSOFT'S FAULT!!!! RAWWWWWR!
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    Unlocked Nokia Lumia 920 coming soon but no T-Mobile bands just yet | Windows Phone Central

    Ok, in response to this good news, I've pre-ordered the unlocked Rogers 920 through Negri (unknown shipping date though-_-). Unfortunately, I'll have to sacrifice having cyan for black, but I'll manage. As an early adopter though, I'm still disappointed that there is such a delay between official release and release of unlocked devices...and I'm 99% sure that can be blamed on the carriers.
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    Why do they make it so hard in the states?

    I picked up my HTC 8X on the day it was released here in the UK and I bought it unlocked. Paid cash up front. Put my sim card in and that was it. Job done.

    I don't understand why they make it so difficult for you guys over there. That would be pretty frustrating. I understand that the device might be an exclusive for certain networks but damn, it still sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scienide- View Post
    Why do they make it so hard in the states?

    I picked up my HTC 8X on the day it was released here in the UK and I bought it unlocked. Paid cash up front. Put my sim card in and that was it. Job done.

    I don't understand why they make it so difficult for you guys over there. That would be pretty frustrating. I understand that the device might be an exclusive for certain networks but damn, it still sucks.
    it was the same for me here in Australia, bought it outright from Telstra and put my Vodafone sim in, no unlocking or anything, it just worked.

    Btw, here It would be illegal to sell a phone outright and not unlock it. If it couldn't be unlocked you would be entitled to a full refund
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkshao View Post
    Btw, here It would be illegal to sell a phone outright and not unlock it.
    This makes me feel so many feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scienide- View Post
    Why do they make it so hard in the states?

    I picked up my HTC 8X on the day it was released here in the UK and I bought it unlocked. Paid cash up front. Put my sim card in and that was it. Job done.

    I don't understand why they make it so difficult for you guys over there. That would be pretty frustrating. I understand that the device might be an exclusive for certain networks but damn, it still sucks.
    There aren't a lot of reasons to have an unlocked phone in the United States, as there really is nothing to be gained with having an unlocked phone, unless one is a world traveler. People here are generally on a 2-year contract with a particular carrier, and are not free to leave, without first paying for the the privilege of doing so. Plus, we have 2 different wireless standards, and it isn't as easy to move from one carrier to the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlm1950 View Post
    There aren't a lot of reasons to have an unlocked phone in the United States, as there really is nothing to be gained with having an unlocked phone, unless one is a world traveler. People here are generally on a 2-year contract with a particular carrier, and are not free to leave, without first paying for the the privilege of doing so. Plus, we have 2 different wireless standards, and it isn't as easy to move from one carrier to the other.
    That's everyone's mindset, but it's not true. And it's that mindset that keeps us from moving forward. If you have an unlocked (preferably pentaband) phone, you have a lot of options. Sure, in terms of major carriers, you're looking at either AT&T or T-Mobile, but there's a plethora of viable MVNOs that offer great deals. And in terms of "paying for the privilege" to leave a carrier, that is only true if you've signed a contract...I can leave whenever I want without paying a dime.

    If we as consumers had demanded (and expected) such freedom of movement between carriers, maybe we'd see more reasonable price competition and we might not have ended up in the LTE frequency mess we're in now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmjr90 View Post
    That's everyone's mindset, but it's not true. And it's that mindset that keeps us from moving forward. If you have an unlocked (preferably pentaband) phone, you have a lot of options. Sure, in terms of major carriers, you're looking at either AT&T or T-Mobile, but there's a plethora of viable MVNOs that offer great deals. And in terms of "paying for the privilege" to leave a carrier, that is only true if you've signed a contract...I can leave whenever I want without paying a dime.

    If we as consumers had demanded (and expected) such freedom of movement between carriers, maybe we'd see more reasonable price competition and we might not have ended up in the LTE frequency mess we're in now.
    You have a lot of MVNO options now, and you don't need an unlocked phone, though U.S. MVNO's generally are limited in what they offer as opposed to the carrier whose spectrum they are using.

    I don't disagree that it would be great if people could move around at their whim, but the U.S.wireless companies operate in a completely different manner than most of the rest of the world, and there are fewer options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scienide- View Post
    Why do they make it so hard in the states?

    I picked up my HTC 8X on the day it was released here in the UK and I bought it unlocked. Paid cash up front. Put my sim card in and that was it. Job done.

    I don't understand why they make it so difficult for you guys over there. That would be pretty frustrating. I understand that the device might be an exclusive for certain networks but damn, it still sucks.
    My guess is that carriers don't like to share spectrum because they have to license it from the FCC. They reluctantly share spectrum because the FCC tells them to, but I bet most wouldn't if given the chance. It makes sense in a way. AT&T paid for exclusive rights to a spectrum so they want their customers to be exclusive to their service. However, that barrier has broken down a lot over the years and carriers are more willing to allow device unlocking.

    My other guess is that they're just being massive d-bags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figure 8 Dash View Post
    My guess is that carriers don't like to share spectrum because they have to license it from the FCC. They reluctantly share spectrum because the FCC tells them to, but I bet most wouldn't if given the chance. It makes sense in a way. AT&T paid for exclusive rights to a spectrum so they want their customers to be exclusive to their service. However, that barrier has broken down a lot over the years and carriers are more willing to allow device unlocking.

    My other guess is that they're just being massive d-bags.
    AT&T licenses from the Federal Government a resource that is legally public. Technically speaking, we the people own it. I agree that AT&T believes it makes sense to jealously guard it, but that's for perceived business gain...not because they own it. Fwiw, I do not believe such anti-consumer behavior is/will be more profitable in the long run...but who am I...

    A pertinent analogy that I got from the Verge would be to imagine if all the car companies licenses all the roads in the US such that only Fords could drive on certain ones, Toyotas on others, etc. (It's not a perfect analogy but it's close enough.) It's a ludicrous situation...but so is our wireless industry. It's absolutely ridiculous that one person standing in a given spot can have no reception while someone else on another network standing right next to them has solid reception. This really should be a public utility.
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    First off, I am sorry for your aggregation. There is very little about your post which I do not understand. I am a lifetime AT&T mobile user, but that is mostly due to the small burb I live in. Very few options (no T-Mobile, No US Cellular, 1 small regional carrier whose network is horrid, track phones, Sprint reception is amazingly bad) and just general convenience.

    But that doesn't mean I am not wishful. Would love to pick a device and head to the carrier of my choice.

    Too much to hope for LTE to bring this State side?
    Before posting anything, please be sure to get the facts straight. You can always distort them to your liking later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmjr90 View Post
    That's everyone's mindset, but it's not true. And it's that mindset that keeps us from moving forward. If you have an unlocked (preferably pentaband) phone, you have a lot of options. Sure, in terms of major carriers, you're looking at either AT&T or T-Mobile, but there's a plethora of viable MVNOs that offer great deals. And in terms of "paying for the privilege" to leave a carrier, that is only true if you've signed a contract...I can leave whenever I want without paying a dime.

    If we as consumers had demanded (and expected) such freedom of movement between carriers, maybe we'd see more reasonable price competition and we might not have ended up in the LTE frequency mess we're in now.
    In most cases, most people who have smartphones don't care about Unlocked phones here in the US......Prepaid is popular for those who maybe WANT A smartphone but don't really care if it is the latest Galaxy model or whatever. These are the same people who are excited that phones like the Galaxy S2 is now on Virgin or Boost after the phone is a a year old. Or who got real excited when the Iphone 4 or Iphone 4s came to prepaid.

    Those who DO CARE will buy their phone unlocked(and recognize that by buying Off-contract from a carrier is not buying unlocked & thus realize an unlock code isn't necessary for the carrier to provide)...these are the same people who will buy brand new phones unlocked and import them from overseas for 600-900 dollars...and for them MVNOs are good. I have a friend who brought a Galaxy Note 2 i believe unlocked and he uses it.

    Most normal people do not go...hmmm today i feel like using t-mobile and then tomorrow i want to use Straight-talk or i want to use H20.
    I guess it does annoy me slightly when i see Avid tech fans and pros speaking for the whole world when in reality only a small amount of people who own smartphones actually care about unlocking them so they can swap sim cards.

    the mindset doesn't keep us from moving forward because as stated above, those who want the freedom will pay for the freedom and those who are fine with contracts will usually pay for the contracts because nowadays most people are unwilling to pay 700 dollars for a phone that they can get free-200 dollars on contract even if it would cost them cheaper down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micah Dawson View Post
    Most normal people do not go...hmmm today i feel like using t-mobile and then tomorrow i want to use Straight-talk or i want to use H20.
    I guess it does annoy me slightly when i see Avid tech fans and pros speaking for the whole world when in reality only a small amount of people who own smartphones actually care about unlocking them so they can swap sim cards.
    While I agree that the majority (at least in the US) does not care about this stuff, this fact does not inherently make carrier practices right. In fact, it stifles true competition in the mobile services industry and suppresses innovation in the space. I'm sorry, but as with most industries, change starts with those who are the early adopters, the forward-thinkers, the obsessive you might say. The majority, as you state, do not (and should not) care either way, so what is it to them if the small percent who DO care push for a more open mobile services ecosystem? They may not care now, but they'll certainly care if increased competition leads to more reasonable pricing and a higher level of customer service. And they'll have us to thank. (Again, sounds lofty and idealistic, but how else do things change?)
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