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    Hi, I have my 920 for 3 days now, my previous phone was a Nokia N9. The N9 was near perfect, but is a dead end and apps are missing.
    Still betting on Jolla, but I could not resist to buy the beautiful 920 with its good display and low light camera. I like the live tile concept, but found many shortcomings that gives me the impression that WP8 is still in its infancy.
    Here is a list of what I found. Maybe I am just too stupid to do it right, or there are workarounds or apps to mitigate those things. Therefore I welcome all comments! Thanks!

    - Turning down or even muting the music player, mutes the ringer volume as well! Danger of missing calls!
    - Limited email settings: port, authentication method etc.
    - No SIP client (even the Asha 311 has one build-in)
    - No charging indicator (N9 has a notification LED), need to unlock to check for progress or if the plugs are connected
    - Facebook integration: Not possible to share shotos directly from the camera roll
    - "Update available, waiting for WiFi": It does not say which update, also the phone WAS connected to WiFi! Totally confusing and unclear message!
    - Too often restart necessary: Installing an additional keyboard needs a restart plus "data migration". There were two other restarts during my initial setup.
    - Power consumption: Not very energy efficient! Even with simple web browsing, the phone gets slightly warm, which wasn't the case on my N9.
    - Power consumption: It would be good to identify the energy hogs. There was a N9 app that showed the percentage of energy consumption per app. is there anythking like this for WP? I assume there is no open API.
    - Status bar at the top: why does it disappear? Is it possible to lock it there? Because the clock is there anyway, this space is not fully usable. I like to see which my current connection is and my battery status. Its even not avaliable at all if IE is running.
    - If there is not internet connection at all (cellular disabled and no WiFi) IE give a strange error message like "the website has problems". WP should identify this problem and give an appropriate error message. Obviously IE is not much integrated into WP.
    - It takes long before the phone detects my home WLAN when returning into the coverage area (need to measure this, just impression, N9 seems to be faster)
    - Difficult to see (see above) and switch internet connectivity (select between WLANs or chose 3G). N9 needs only a tap on the status bar.
    - No haptic feedback for the keyboard
    - "send" button to close to "thumb move area", resulting in accidental sending of unfinished text. should be above keyboard (N9)
    - Bluetooth name and visibility: Have not found any settings for this, just on and off.
    - Data privacy: quite many apps require the permission to send location data, although the service would not require this. If not agreed, apps can not be installed!
    - Nokia Music: Offline mixes should be available offline. I found that the mix does not play, if no internet connection. Probably it needs to report usage, location and I don't know what. But it appears to be not fully "offline" availabe. Any other experience?
    - The back button seems not so logical to me. Sometimes it's a back in the app menu structure, sometimes it exits the app to go back on OS level.
    - Lame "Multitasking". E.g. map installation does not happen in the background, have to watch and wait, can not do anything else
    - Difficult to close running (or suspended) apps. A lot of juggling with the back key to close all unwanted apps. Not sure if this is necessary at all, but I want to keep the list small because I suspect some apps to consume too much power.
    - Not possible to group the less frequently used apps (kind of folders)
    - USB should appear as normal thumb drive. I have problems to use the 920 with Linux as Microsoft's MTP protocol is used. Not sure what's the benefit of MTP. N9 appears as normal thumb drive and any OS can be used to drag and drop any media files.

    This is a long list. I hope there will be improvements coming with Apollo+/Portico. Many things seem to be trivial and it's a shame that MS did not get this right.
    I hope that new WP users, attracted by the Lumia HW, don't get disappointed too quickly and turn their backs to WP too fast. Nokia had practically all the above issues solved on Meego/Harmattan (e.g. N9). It's a pity that so many shortcomings are now imposed on the Lumias by the MS OS.
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    You can share FB photos directly from the camera roll. Aside from that, you're at a loss because you're wanting WP8 to be meego and it's not. I loved my n9 but in comparison it was a choppy, buggy, faulty experience. WP8 is built around simplicity, even suggestions you said as minor as putting the send button above the keyboard would drive me a bit mad. Sure, each OS has it's flaws for one person or another but that's why we have options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z33dev33l View Post
    You can share FB photos directly from the camera roll.
    So how do I share from the camera roll? The list I get after tapping "...share" does not have FB on it.
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    I think you should read a manual or do some searching because some of your problems are just you not knowing how to do it
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    - Facebook integration: Not possible to share shotos directly from the camera roll
    Somethings wrong here, because I can do that.

    - Power consumption: Not very energy efficient! Even with simple web browsing, the phone gets slightly warm, which wasn't the case on my N9.
    This doesnt happen on mine either.

    - Status bar at the top: why does it disappear? Is it possible to lock it there? Because the clock is there anyway, this space is not fully usable. I like to see which my current connection is and my battery status. Its even not avaliable at all if IE is running.
    It disappears because its a cleaner more distinct look, Im sure. You can have small-sized connectiontiles that show battery and signalstrengths, I think :) .

    - It takes long before the phone detects my home WLAN when returning into the coverage area (need to measure this, just impression, N9 seems to be faster)
    Hehe my N9 seems far slower. Let us know what you find out during tests.

    - Difficult to see (see above) and switch internet connectivity (select between WLANs or chose 3G). N9 needs only a tap on the status bar.
    Plus a tap on the connection, then selecting the new one, then clicking accept ;) .

    - "send" button to close to "thumb move area", resulting in accidental sending of unfinished text. should be above keyboard (N9)
    Oh no, if it was Id kill people on a daily basis. The fact that its NOT up top on a big device like the 920 is a great thing. Having a send button at the top of such a large screen is as useful as having the unlockbutton on top of a 4.3" screen phone; its just a bad idea.
    I dont have any problems with the send button at all.

    - Nokia Music: Offline mixes should be available offline. I found that the mix does not play, if no internet connection. Probably it needs to report usage, location and I don't know what. But it appears to be not fully "offline" availabe. Any other experience?
    I saved a Nokia Music list to offline, had no mobile data connection on, no wifi, and it played for about 40 minutes as I was taking a walk (standup-mix, so much fun) :)

    - Lame "Multitasking". E.g. map installation does not happen in the background, have to watch and wait, can not do anything else
    True, I miss multitasking like it was on the n900/n9.

    - Difficult to close running (or suspended) apps. A lot of juggling with the back key to close all unwanted apps. Not sure if this is necessary at all, but I want to keep the list small because I suspect some apps to consume too much power.
    Well, iirc that usually spends more power than just leaving them alone in most (if not all) cases. But I agree, a small X on the top of each appcard during the multitasking view would be great.

    - Not possible to group the less frequently used apps (kind of folders)
    True. Personally I have everything I use more than once a month on the homescreen, since with WP8s introduction of the small tiles I can, then leave the less used things to the Applist.
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    No backward compatibility with WP 7 apps
    No integration with any kind of "official" TV/Movie service (I think even Blackberry has this)
    haptic feedback on the keyboard is actually kind of a big one, I think it would increase typing speed and accuracy a lot
    an emphasis of quality over quantity in the app store as a safeguard against the WP store becoming like the Android marketplace
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    FB sharing from camera roll:
    Quote Originally Posted by Slai View Post
    Somethings wrong here, because I can do that.
    So HOW? Does FB appear in the list after tapping "...share"? If yes, something is wrong on my device. Configuration? Order of app installation? Maybe I should try a reset.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slai View Post
    It disappears because its a cleaner more distinct look, Im sure. You can have small-sized connectiontiles that show battery and signalstrengths, I think :) .
    Right. But having an app occupying the screen, I cant see the status. It's especially important using the IE. Here it's not available at all. I guess it's a bug. Anyway, would be good to have a permanent status bar as option.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slai View Post
    I saved a Nokia Music list to offline, had no mobile data connection on, no wifi, and it played for about 40 minutes as I was taking a walk (standup-mix, so much fun) :)
    Thanks, this was my mistake! My offline mixes appear together with other mixes on the Nokia Music start screen. I mixed the mixes obviously. :) works now.

    Access to connectivity options:
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    Plus a tap on the connection, then selecting the new one, then clicking accept ;) .
    No, come on, you have admit that N9 is much better here. Internet connectivity is in one place, cellular and WiFi together, and you get there even if an app is in the foreground. Although we can't clone the N9 UI on WP, why not learn from the best of all exsiting implementations? Although not sure about patent issues.
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    Forgot one:
    Needs restart after SIM change. Many people have multiple SIMs, e.g. due to need for local SIMs when travelling.
    N9 (sorry to refer always to this device, but it's kind of reference for many features) allows SIM change on the fly and registers again as soon as new SIM is inserted. No restart.
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    People sure do look for any flaws they can find in this phone.

    The threads keep coming daily... wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanix View Post
    FB sharing from camera roll:

    So HOW? Does FB appear in the list after tapping "...share"? If yes, something is wrong on my device. Configuration? Order of app installation? Maybe I should try a reset.

    Are you actually logged into FB via WP*? I am not talking the app, I am talking under accounts in settings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttsoldier View Post
    People sure do look for any flaws they can find in this phone.

    The threads keep coming daily... wow.
    If you are used to something, you probably don't have to LOOK for flaws, they are just going to pop up. Many things I accepted as just "different". What I couldn't accept is my phone freezing/locking/rebooting every now and then. Forced me to sell it yesterday. I will be back if/when the bugs are ironed out. Maybe by then we will actually have yellow Lumias readily available. :)
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    My Lumia does not make me coffee..

    Some of your shortcomings are correct, others aren't. It seems to me like you should have looked into that before you bought the phone. :)
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    Just purchased a 3rd Lumia 920 today for my business plus have a Lumia 820 - Now have a white, grey and yellow 920. I have been using the Yellow 920 for two weeks now with out a single reset and battery life is fine. Even tested the restore from backup on one of the new 920's - works a treat. I must admit the only two features I look forward to are a SIP/cisco client and always on WIFI but hardly a deal breaker. The single best feature of Windows Phone 8 is its simplicity - it just works - just enter your usernames and passwords and away you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanix View Post
    FB sharing from camera roll:

    So HOW? Does FB appear in the list after tapping "...share"? If yes, something is wrong on my device. Configuration? Order of app installation? Maybe I should try a reset.
    I registered my FB account under Accounts in Settings, and its just there on the Share list, yes :) .


    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanix View Post
    Right. But having an app occupying the screen, I cant see the status. It's especially important using the IE. Here it's not available at all. I guess it's a bug. Anyway, would be good to have a permanent status bar as option.
    Aye, perhaps. What about tapping volume rocker, does that show the status? Not a fix, more of a workaround. I do agree that more options are good, as long as it doesnt put off new customers. Could perhaps have a setting that puts the phone in "Advanced use", opening up more options that might confuse the general public, but is nice for users like those who hang around phoneforums.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanix View Post
    Thanks, this was my mistake! My offline mixes appear together with other mixes on the Nokia Music start screen. I mixed the mixes obviously. :) works now.
    Sweet!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefanix View Post
    Access to connectivity options:

    No, come on, you have admit that N9 is much better here. Internet connectivity is in one place, cellular and WiFi together, and you get there even if an app is in the foreground. Although we can't clone the N9 UI on WP, why not learn from the best of all exsiting implementations? Although not sure about patent issues.
    Hehe, I agree. If they add a notification centre on the phone, I vote for the N9 approach of simply adding a screen when swiping left from the homescreen that shows your notifications and perhaps add in personalized switches like WiFi, Data, BT, NFC, or whatever you may need, etcetera. Put the three screens (notification, Home, applist) in a carousel, and boom.
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    I don't have my WP8 device yet, and this is from WP7.5, but i think the functionality is the same.

    When you're trying to share a photo and you hit the "... Button," you should see an option to "share..." don't use that one. Right next to that option should be a "share to Facebook" option. Its supposed to be a "quick share feature."

    On the status bar, on most apps, you should be able to drag your finger from the top of the screen to make it visible for a few seconds. On IE, you can touch the "... Button," and pull it up slightly. This should make the status bar appear.

    Hope that helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by beej View Post
    I don't have my WP8 device yet, and this is from WP7.5, but i think the functionality is the same.

    When you're trying to share a photo and you hit the "... Button," you should see an option to "share..." don't use that one. Right next to that option should be a "share to Facebook" option. Its supposed to be a "quick share feature."

    On the status bar, on most apps, you should be able to drag your finger from the top of the screen to make it visible for a few seconds. On IE, you can touch the "... Button," and pull it up slightly. This should make the status bar appear.

    Hope that helps!
    It doesn't work that way anymore. It's just Share and then it pops up all your options to share to. Facebook should be one of those options, if your settings are configured correctly. The part about IE still applies though.
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    Are you actually logged into FB via WP*? I am not talking the app, I am talking under accounts in settings.
    I registered my FB account under Accounts in Settings, and its just there on the Share list, yes :) .
    Hm, yes, of course that was it. Thanks, and thanks again! I saw only one FB app and concluded it should be enough to enter my credentials there.
    So there seems to a build-in client for chat only, as far as I understand, and a standalone app (from MS as well) for all other FB features. I wonder how they cooperate, or if they work independently in parallel.

    Regarding other remarks: It seems that some 920 owners feel offended if someone lists some issues. I think this forum would be quite boring if people come here only to praise their devices! It would be helpful to get hints for workarounds or correct if I am wrong, like with my FB problem.

    I just came across another problem, namely tunein Internet radio. It works very poorly on my 920, playing only fragments of the stream, while the tunein based client on my infamous N9 plays flawlessly. This is an important feature. I wonder what's the cause. Maybe a too small buffer? Or is this app in some way incompatible with WP8? Internet is not very reliable here, but obviously other clients can cope with it. Does anyone have a recommendation for another client?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beej View Post
    On the status bar, on most apps, you should be able to drag your finger from the top of the screen to make it visible for a few seconds. On IE, you can touch the "... Button," and pull it up slightly. This should make the status bar appear.
    Hope that helps!
    Thanks a lot! I should have seen this! Using the "..." menu, I guess my eyes were glued to the menu options in the lower part of the screen.
    So, very well, I think my list of deficiencies can be shortened a bit! Still some work to do for MS and I hope the next update is not too far away!
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    When its not connected to any network, and I run IE, it shows
    "We're having trouble connecting to this webpage.

    Try the following:
    Make sure flight mode is turned off.
    Check your WiFi settings."
    I'm on WP7.5 though. Not on 8.

    Also, if you're at the main screen of an app, a back will close the app. But if you're a few levels deep into the app, it'll bring you out level by level.
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    Also check the forums for solutions. Most of what you have listed has already been mentioned and out there with answers. As Slai has shown. Noone minds issues, but another thread about the same issues is what people are tired of. If it is an original one, people won't say anything. And since you know about Poritco means you read and know your way around things. Search can be your friend here as well. Hope you enjoy your new phone.
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    Especially when half of the issues are non-issues and are just preferences.
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    1) The volume control is a known issue of sorts on the OS. I am not sure why Microsoft did not address this in WP8. It makes no sense to have the music volume control the ringer volume.
    2) For the typical user, email settings are fine. I have no issues putting several email accounts on my phone, including a passkey protected government encrypted account.
    3)No comment.
    4) You are complaining about a feature that very few WPs have, actually only some of the HTC phones have the LED light notification. If you purchase a wireless charging device from Nokia for your 920, they do have LED indicator lights. Solid light for charging, blinking light for completed.
    5) As others have said, you can share FB directly through camera roll. Make sure you linked you account via the settings. If you did, there is something else going on. Investigate that.
    6) Never had any issue with updates. Or that wait for Wifi message you mention. I cant think of which Lumia 920 update you would have had that needed wifi. All the small Nokia updates so far I have downloaded via LTE.
    7) No comment
    8) My phone also gets warm when doing basic things, but many of my phones I have had do that. They are not getting hot though. I think it is normal. I have also not seen any issue with battery life in my device. Always lasts through the day or at least near bed time.
    9) No app that I know of diagnosis energy consumption.
    10) The status bar not being there constantly is a good thing I think. Unlike the iOS where the status bar actually takes up part of the screen, the WP one doesnt and therefore needs to be hidden. It actually looks bad on top of text and other things. Scroll your start screen down a ways then bring up the status bar. Yeah hard to read and ugly. Anyways, you can also get the status bar while in IE (by tapping the three dots button). I am not sure why you cannot just tap the top of screen like normal. Presumedly so you dont try and tap a webpage but then get the status bar, but this theory should be true for every app and experience, so I dont know. There must be a good reason though.
    11) Havent had a problem with IE when there is no internet. It gives a similar message to that which a PC would give. Something like website not available or such. Can you really complain about this. If you are going to a site and that pops up. You cant tell me you dont know that your connection is offline??
    12) Detects my home network just fine. Usually within 10 seconds of walking in the door of my house. tested this a few weeks ago.
    13) You can easily see what connection you have by tapping the status bar. If the wifi symbol is filled it (white color), you are on wifi. If the wifi symbol is greyed out and you have a cellular connection on there, you are on cellular. If the wifi connection is greyed out and you have the no-signal symbol, you are offline. It is a pain to turn cycle connections in the OS, but there is an app (not sure what it is called) that you can pin the option to your start screen to toggle wifi and celluar and airplane mode and such. I am not sure if it is a button or just basically a shortcut to the menu where the options exist.
    14) No comment on haptic keyboard.
    15) I am guessing you are just not used to the message sending layout yet. The send button is close to the area, but no so much that you should perpetually be sending early texts. Once I got used to its location, i rarely if ever send a message by accident.
    16) I dont use bluetooth.
    17) No comment on GPS being required for locations that dont use it.
    18) No comment. DOnt use Nokia Music.
    19) The back button seems very logical to me and I personally dont think you have the issues you are mentioning. The back button will always take you back to the screen you were just at, whether you are within and app or not. I have found a two notable exceptions to this which is maybe what you are talking about, but it is not across the board. If you come into IE from another app and want to go back to the last webpage you were viewing, the back button will do you no good. It will take you out of IE. The fix is to use the "recent" option which you can see all your last pages. Also, in the Facebook touch app, the back button on the phone is useless as it takes you out of the app no matter what. You have to use the built in back button which is quite hard for me to get used to. Otherwise, the back buttons functionality is solid, except for a few developers who fail to use it the same.
    20) Multitasking issue. The installation of maps was the only issue I have experienced. I am guessing this is because they are built into the OS. The only gripe I have in relation to multitasking is you cant close apps from the background. Also, background apps just randomly close if you open too many other ones.
    21) See #20. I personally never really bother with worrying about which apps are running. My battery seems adequate for me.
    22) No folders. But like others have mentioned, just put your frequently used apps on the start screen. Even if it is way at the bottom, it works. less used apps for the apps list.
    23) No comment. I dont use linux.

    Overall most of your issues seem like you are having a tough time meshing with the WP8 OS as a whole. And seem like subtle nuances that you looked for coming from the N9. I bet if you made a list of things that are better that your N9 did not have, it would be longer. Many of the issues you have just come about from lack of knowledge of the OS. Give it some time. I am sure you will be satisfied.
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    Stefanix, so many of your "shortcomings" are not true that I don't believe you own a Lumia 920 and believe you have motives that seem questionable to me.
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    Thanks for the comments! In fact it's a list of many small things. And it seems that many commenters come from iOS and don't miss the features that I miss, because they got used to the absence of those. Can reallyanyone deny that it is a good thing to see with a short glance if the phone is charging, or if there are any missed calls or other updates? A simple notification LED or even just use the Windows key's backlight for this! iPhone never had this, but other Nokia phones did. Of course a permanent and detailed status display is only possible with AMOLED displays and for the sake of a unique appearance, including LCDs, such status display might not be supported in Windows Phone specs. But WP8 could have easily included a simple notification as saud above to make the user aware to check the lock screen. Everyone knows the stupid volume issue. So it's the list of very small issue, but they have a big impact on usibility. I wonder why MS could not get this right, drives me a bit mad.
    Regarding N9 vs. L920: On the positive side for L920, of course first of all there are many more apps, naturally. I was also positively surprised by the Bluetooth handsfree interworking with the build-in BMW handsfree system. Even the profile photos are visible on the car display! I find Live Tiles in general better than small dead app icons, like on N9, iOS and others. But besides a few stupid mistakes I made, I think there are still a lot of usibility issue on WP for me. It's debatable if it's not intuitive enough or I just have to get used to it.
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    So there seems to a build-in client for chat only, as far as I understand, and a standalone app (from MS as well) for all other FB features. I wonder how they cooperate, or if they work independently in parallel.
    To answer your question, the latter. IMO the FB app is God awful. It doesn't hold a candle to the offerings on iOS and Android. I deleted it. Although there are some functions missing from the Facebook that is baked into WP8, I just couldn't bring myself to using the app.
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