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    The 920 launch really is a complete shambles.

    I'm in the UK and am a big fan of the Windows Phone OS - I've had a Dell Venue Pro for a while now and have been patiently waiting to upgrade to WP8. And yet, as a subscriber to Vodafone, I basically can't get my hands on the phone. Nokia's inability to release a SIM-free version of the phone in the UK means I can either move over to Orange/T-Mobile/EE or, basically, get shafted. This might be a sensible strategy if Vodafone and O2 didn't comprise a massive chunk of the UK market. Unfortunately, they do - in 2010 it was exactly 50% (with Orange, T-Mobile, Virgin and Three together making up the remaining 50%).

    So, why don't I just order a SIM-free phone from alternative sources instead? Goodness. Clove out of stock. Expansys out of stock. All outlets in Germany pretty much out of stock, unless I pay silly money. Amazon.de no stock. Thing is, they're not out of stock because of some crazy rush for the phone - they're out of stock because Nokia just isn't supplying sensible quantities. Phaseshifter mentioned that after a long wait, Cyberport (or whatever it is, I forget the name, sorry) got 40 units of one colour, and nothing else. Right. And this is, what, 2-3 weeks after launch and it's still a small dribble of units here and there? There's heaps of European users just as frustrated as I am.

    I hate Apple and the iPhone with a passion - but I'll give them this much credit, they know marketing's not a difficult concept. Supply and demand. You create the demand. You provide the supply. It really isn't rocket science. You see an iPhone launch, you know you can buy the damned thing in a week or so's time. I sent an email to Stephen Elop expressing my frustration and basically concluding "I have 500 ready to buy your phone [without switching provider] - please tell me how." To his eternal credit, he replied - but of course, it was just to reassure me availability was coming. I'm still none the wiser as to how I get the phone on my network.

    It's exactly this kind of strategy that has relegated Nokia from mobile leader to nothing more than a small role on the sidelines. I've been waiting an eternity for the phone and now I find myself eyeing up the HTC 8X instead because handing over my hard-earned cash really shouldn't be so difficult. Ultimately, I'll probably wait it out - but if an ardent supporter of the phone is starting to waver (and I'm not the only one, judging by posts here) then what hope has Nokia of getting the more casual purchaser to switch their provider allegiance and purchase a 920? I have no doubt whatsoever that when we first start to see 920 sales figures, they'll stink. And when they do, it boils down to decisions like locking out 50% of the UK market. I do feel sorry for anyone in Nokia R&D - work so hard on the technology and the apps, only to see the whole thing screwed up again by other divisions at Espoo. Nokia's hopes really do ride on the success of WP8 (especially if RIM finally gets their act together with BB10) and can anyone really look at this launch and say "Yep, that's exactly how you launch your new flagship phone. Good job guys."?

    Rant over - and hope everyone who's actually got their hands on a 920 is enjoying it...
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    Just seen - Clove is getting *very limited* stock.... on December 5th. Another two weeks time....

    Dell isn't a big name whatsoever in the mobile arena and I had absolutely no difficulty getting my Dell Venue Pro...
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    I'm in Thailand, at the Nokia store they said the phone will be availabe on the 22nd (today), went there, all sold out, checked 3 different stores. On a side note, the big 3 carriers here have been promoting the Lumias since last week but guess what? Nothing to show at their stores, and when I call their representatives no one knows when the devices are available.

    So, I see commercial ads for the Lumias in every single train station here in Bangkok, on websites, on TV, but you can't get the bloody device anywhere.
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    I know Nokia will miss the Black Friday sales. I just hope they can ramp up production fast enought to get phones out to everyone globally. The more we can get out the better Win8 phones will be. I wonder how closely MS is watching.
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    Here in Denmark it's a sorry sight to behold as well. Sure, the Lumia 920 is available at some carriers and stores but the only sell them in either black or yellow. No where in this entire country can you buy a white or red Lumia 920 for less than a gaming pc with middling components.
    The "normal" off-contract price for smartphones such as Lumia 920 here in Denmark are around 880 USD/550 GBP. Now that's the price of the yellow or black. If you want a white or red you'd have to pay 1200 USD/750 GBP! It's madness! :S

    The only reason those prices are so insanely high is because a Lumia 920 in either red or white is more rare than a live dinosaur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pibrahim View Post
    The 920 launch really is a complete shambles.

    "I have 500 ready to buy your phone [without switching provider] - please tell me how." To his eternal credit, he replied - but of course, it was just to reassure me availability was coming. I'm still none the wiser as to how I get the phone on my network.
    I feel your frustration, but the success of the 920 caught everyone out, including Nokia.

    I'm pretty sure they wish they had warehouses full of the damn phones ......... in hindsight.
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    I don't think it's been a success - here in the UK retailers have had very little stock to begin with. It's not like there were massive lines outside the shops and despite working overtime Nokia just couldn't deliver them in hundreds and thousands - it's more a case that something's clearly amiss with their manufacturing right now and most retailers just don't have any stock at all, got very little to begin with, and have no idea when more is coming in. Nokia seem to think this is like a videogame console launch - where if people can't get the XBox 360 on launch, they'll wait for it (as there's no alternative)... and when people can't get the PS3 on launch, they'll wait for it (because they made a clear commitment they wanted that console over the alternatives). Phones aren't quite like that - people won't hold out. They'll give up and move on. And as Vaas makes the point - missing out on Black Friday sales? It's like a textbook example in how to screw up a flagship phone launch (!).
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    I guess I don't understand how the phone selling out is a bad thing. When Apple sells out it's a sign it's a success. And for the record Apple takes at least a month to restock. They never have the second round of phone within a week or two.
    If anything Nokia should be capitalizing on this and doing ads about how popular it is and that due to the popularity they are having trouble keeping them in stock.
    I just left the cult of apple to try this phone out and I love it. And I love seeing the stores are having trouble keeping them in stock. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.
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    Reports are saying that Apple is finally catching up to orders placed weeks ago. So if this is a disaster for Nokia, I guess all those previous 5 or so launches of Iphones were train-wrecks too....
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    Launch has been a complete clusterf*ck elsewhere, too. Limitited to no availability (and only black anyway) in stores, online retailers don't even know when they are going to receive fresh stock (or their first batch...), pricepoints and availability dates keep varying by day, and worst: no Amazon stock yet, with 3rd party retailers shelling out the last of the few units they got at prices completely blown out of proportion.

    Good job everyone.
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    I agree there is certainly not enough stock to support the demand that there is/was at launch.

    The problem is casual users WILL switch networks if there's a phone they like the look of - it's done all the time at Phones4u.

    What really annoys me at the moment is I've convinced a bunch of people to switch to Windows Phone and they've ALL managed to get the devices by now, yet I still have to wait until December 6th, because I'm paying more upfront???? Where on earth is the sense in that, Nokia? The networks surely aren't paying you the same revenue as you get for a retail sale per unit, it can't be that damaging...

    ...I see why Nokia gave exclusivity, but at least make enough stock....do what everyone suspects Apple does and just make it LOOK like you haven't got enough stock if necessary...but at least make sure the deliveries are regular and we don't have this ridiculous "well, we might get a couple if we win the fist fight with other retailers to get the few models released from production this week"

    ...anyway, I'll be happy on December 6th...
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    Some blame can be put on Nokia but I think the biggest mistakes were made by the retailers. So if Nokia made mistakes they would be: 1. underestimating demand 2. not controlling the retailers enough. One cause for the lack of phones probably is also Qualcomm inability to keep up with the demand for their Snapdragon S4 chip.

    For example, the lack of colors has nothing to do with Nokia.
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    You need some more action verbs in this post. Borrow some of these if you like.

    Furious and enraged that I have no reason to be furious and enraged
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldmiser View Post
    I guess I don't understand how the phone selling out is a bad thing. When Apple sells out it's a sign it's a success. And for the record Apple takes at least a month to restock. They never have the second round of phone within a week or two.
    If anything Nokia should be capitalizing on this and doing ads about how popular it is and that due to the popularity they are having trouble keeping them in stock.
    I just left the cult of apple to try this phone out and I love it. And I love seeing the stores are having trouble keeping them in stock. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.
    I don't think they're quite comparable - Apple might sell out, but that's because of mammoth demand. Every retailer in the UK will have had some iPhones - Amazon, John Lewis, Carphone Warehouse, you name it. Nokia's sold out, but almost certainly because of an awful job getting the phones to market rather than swathes and swathes of customers lining up to buy the phone and break sales records. Carphone Warehouse don't sell the phone. Vodafone and O2 stores don't sell the phone. Amazon UK doesn't have stock, AFAIK. Clove and Expansys had incredibly limited stock, all gone now. Department stores don't carry the phone. It seems a ton of Phones4U outlets had difficulty getting stock to begin with (never mind selling out). Nokia chose a very limited selection of retailers/ways to purchase the phone and still hasn't met those. The iPhone, much as it hurts to say it, sells out because of phenomenal demand. And, in any event - Apple can *afford* to take that hit, because they've engendered such customer loyalty that people will wait till stock replenishes. Nokia can't take that strategy, they don't have anything like the same goodwill or fanatical fanbase. Why spend millions on an expensive marketing campaign if the timing doesn't properly coincide with mass availability of the device?
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    I also want to argue with those saying lack of availability must be a sign of success.

    Clove and Expansys (2 of the biggest sim free retailers) had about 100 units each last week. I've spoken to several phones4u / EE stores who claim to all have had less than ten units each. I asked about a red one at a p4u the other day and the manager told me he'd heard that a shop in the region had had one in last week. That about sums it up.

    During a launch window in the UK apple will ship several hundred thousand units. It sounds like Nokia have had trouble getting several thousand into the channel. It is pitiful.

    I too noticed Clove are now getting a few more (and not just white) the week after next and I'm debating whether it's even worth the effort for 520 considering it's positioned as a cheaper phone in US. Think I might just get an 8x too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pibrahim View Post
    The 920 launch really is a complete shambles.

    I'm in the UK and am a big fan of the Windows Phone OS - I've had a Dell Venue Pro for a while now and have been patiently waiting to upgrade to WP8. And yet, as a subscriber to Vodafone, I basically can't get my hands on the phone. Nokia's inability to release a SIM-free version of the phone in the UK means I can either move over to Orange/T-Mobile/EE or, basically, get shafted. This might be a sensible strategy if Vodafone and O2 didn't comprise a massive chunk of the UK market. Unfortunately, they do - in 2010 it was exactly 50% (with Orange, T-Mobile, Virgin and Three together making up the remaining 50%).

    So, why don't I just order a SIM-free phone from alternative sources instead? Goodness. Clove out of stock. Expansys out of stock. All outlets in Germany pretty much out of stock, unless I pay silly money. Amazon.de no stock. Thing is, they're not out of stock because of some crazy rush for the phone - they're out of stock because Nokia just isn't supplying sensible quantities. Phaseshifter mentioned that after a long wait, Cyberport (or whatever it is, I forget the name, sorry) got 40 units of one colour, and nothing else. Right. And this is, what, 2-3 weeks after launch and it's still a small dribble of units here and there? There's heaps of European users just as frustrated as I am.

    I hate Apple and the iPhone with a passion - but I'll give them this much credit, they know marketing's not a difficult concept. Supply and demand. You create the demand. You provide the supply. It really isn't rocket science. You see an iPhone launch, you know you can buy the damned thing in a week or so's time. I sent an email to Stephen Elop expressing my frustration and basically concluding "I have 500 ready to buy your phone [without switching provider] - please tell me how." To his eternal credit, he replied - but of course, it was just to reassure me availability was coming. I'm still none the wiser as to how I get the phone on my network.

    It's exactly this kind of strategy that has relegated Nokia from mobile leader to nothing more than a small role on the sidelines. I've been waiting an eternity for the phone and now I find myself eyeing up the HTC 8X instead because handing over my hard-earned cash really shouldn't be so difficult. Ultimately, I'll probably wait it out - but if an ardent supporter of the phone is starting to waver (and I'm not the only one, judging by posts here) then what hope has Nokia of getting the more casual purchaser to switch their provider allegiance and purchase a 920? I have no doubt whatsoever that when we first start to see 920 sales figures, they'll stink. And when they do, it boils down to decisions like locking out 50% of the UK market. I do feel sorry for anyone in Nokia R&D - work so hard on the technology and the apps, only to see the whole thing screwed up again by other divisions at Espoo. Nokia's hopes really do ride on the success of WP8 (especially if RIM finally gets their act together with BB10) and can anyone really look at this launch and say "Yep, that's exactly how you launch your new flagship phone. Good job guys."?

    Rant over - and hope everyone who's actually got their hands on a 920 is enjoying it...
    I have a macbook pro and a L920, please don't hate on Apple that much, they spearheaded WP8 and even Windows 8. For years, OSX and iOS were far superior to everything else on the market.
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    I'm not saying it's a sign of success, I'm saying it's a good thing that what they are getting is selling out. It shows that people are interested and following through on that interest.
    I'm just saying that the fact the Nokia isn't meeting demand is a good thing...for now. It means they didn't expect the sell through they are getting.
    Of course if they don't up production to meet demand then it will be a problem.
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    It is not good thing that Nokia is not meeting demand. They really didn't expect to have demand for more than a few thousand units in the UK... utter bollocks.

    They've screwed up big time.
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    From WMPoweruser:

    Clove UK team tweeted the following about the sales of Lumia 920,

    "To say Lumia 920 stock has been selling like hotcakes this afternoon would be just a bit of an understatement #flyingoffthevirtualshelves"
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    It's all relative though - if they're only getting another small batch in, in two weeks' time, then them selling out asap doesn't mean anything. Nokia need retailers of all shapes and sizes, with big shipments, to be selling out. Clove getting through another hundred or two units isn't going to make any significant impact on Nokia sales figures...
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    I've been saying this but getting eviscerated by the apologists...the launch is a disaster and whoever predicted the demand at Nokia needs to be fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongLeggs View Post
    Reports are saying that Apple is finally catching up to orders placed weeks ago. So if this is a disaster for Nokia, I guess all those previous 5 or so launches of Iphones were train-wrecks too....
    True dat.

    Seriously though, it's a disaster for people having to wait for phone, but not for Nokia.
    Smartphones are "supposed" to be sold out during first month!
    If they had enough prodution power to exhaust demand during first month after flagship launch, they would have way too much prodution rest of the year.

    So why don't they launch with bigger stock, you may ask?
    Because that would mean delaying the launch date until mid december, and that would be a horrible idea.
    Atleast now people know that they can get the phone before christmas. That's what's important. That makes them wait.
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    I really don't understand why everyone is beating on Nokia about the launch. If AT&T, for example, ordered 5000 for launch and Nokia delivered them 5000 then the problem is with AT&T, not Nokia. And knowing how large companies work, someone at the AT&T warehouse can't call up Nokia and say "quick, send us another 10,000". A purchase order needs to be created, approved and sent to Nokia, who then will ship the phones. That takes time. At a company like AT&T I suspect it takes over a week just to get the PO to Nokia approved, with multiple levels of managers needing to approve before it goes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsquared View Post
    You need some more action verbs in this post. Borrow some of these if you like.

    Furious and enraged that I have no reason to be furious and enraged
    lmao :-D
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    Horrible colossal epic disaster of biblical proportions!!!

    Oh wait, that's right, I just walked into the store on launch day and bought one and walked out.

    Never mind.
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