[justinl111]

I'm reading this thread and keep thinking I've somehow got onto an Iphone forum slating the Windows 8 Phone devices, then reality hits!

Look stop throwing your toys out of the pram, we have 2 great Windows Phone devices, the Nokia and the 8X. They attract a slightly different audience, I can currently only comment on the 8X as I do not have a 920 to hand.

What I will say though is the sound quality on the 8X is superb, this isn't to do with beats which everyone knows is just a equalising setting emphasising bass, it's the additional amp and head phone voltage they have applied to the headphone jack and another additional amp on the internal speaker. Listening side by side to my Iphone 5 and Note 2 there is no comparison. Even my friend who I handed a 8X to test (he's an apple fan boy with a Iphone 5) loves the 8X and couldn't believe how good the sound quality was!

This time round HTC has delivered a decent phone with a great screen, excellent sound quality and a tried and tested camera. Rather than bashing them HTC need support for actually bothering to design a phone from scratch for Windows Phone 8, they as well as Nokia are in trouble and have gone back to basics.

As for the support Nokia's track record is as poor, I have seen 1000's of devices from them and their quality control is terrible (hence why they are in such a bad state now). They rested on their laurels and name, just as Blackberry have done and are now paying the price.

As a photographer I will only use a camera on a phone as a last resort for a quick snap. There is no camera phone with the limited sensors, lenses etc that would even begin to touch a decent quality compact let alone a DSLR/Mirrorless. As soon as you want to print larger prints, crop in etc it becomes mush. Also they also are all heavily processed and cannot do RAW therefore are useless to photographers.

So what we are talking about with the camera/picture quality are just really different degree's of acceptable for pictures posted on facebook and photo sharing websites. Don't rely on phones such as the Nokia to enable you print off great photo's especially if enlarged, 4x6 or maybe 5x7 will be okay. As I said I use them for quick snaps where the quality isn't that important rather than the content of the shot. I carry my RX100 which is very small yet infenetily better quality than any camera on a phone if I want to take shots.

Personally rather than reading threads like this that just slag of competitors offerings, enjoy the phone you decide to get, all of them have pro's and con's, research before you buy and then enjoy.

[Verus1]

Even my friend who I handed a 8X to test (he's an apple fan boy with a Iphone 5) loves the 8X and couldn't believe how good the sound quality was!

I think this is a good example of why I am really happy about the 8x. People who are currently using other phones are really going for this model. Vlad, from The Verge said in a podcast that he had just been "spending some time in the bath, having an intimate moment with the 8x". I don't really care to know the details of what that means, but more than one person in that very "Apple-centric" group is loving a Windows Phone. That's a good thing. I plan on getting the Lumia 920, but I am even happier about the 8x. It's a Windows Phone that a lot of people are interested in. That is a very good thing! No matter what any of us plan for our next phone, I think we can all agree that we would like to see Windows Phone succeed and grow. As long as I get the phone I want, I couldn't care less if the HTC out sells it a 100 to 1. My aim is to get the phone that I like, not the one that everyone else likes. If it was, I would probably just stick with my iPhone.

I know that no phone camera is going to be as good as the dedicated one, but I can't lug around a full size camera all the time. I know many do, but not me. So, if I have to comprimise and use a phone camera, I want it to fill the bill. It needs a fast lens and have good stabilization. Even if the 920's pictures were only average, it would still be doing the job it was designed for really well, because it delivers on low light and stability. But the pics it turns out, while cool and processed, are actually very nice. Add to this the news that the color bias issue is being addressed and for me it's a clear win. I know that a camera phone is a comprimise from a DSLR, but if I can get good results in low light and bright, it doesn't feel like a comprimise, it just feels convenient.

[nano321]

I guess Nokia phone are suppose to be for photo gurus. In that case, I guess the 920 is a joke.

Still beats the **** out of copycats wannabe flagships even in daylight conditions. If something needs to be a joke then 8X is. Totally worthless. I will pick a Lumia 810/820 any day over one.

[nano321]

I'm reading this thread and keep thinking I've somehow got onto an Iphone forum slating the Windows 8 Phone devices, then reality hits!

Look stop throwing your toys out of the pram, we have 2 great Windows Phone devices, the Nokia and the 8X. They attract a slightly different audience, I can currently only comment on the 8X as I do not have a 920 to hand.

What I will say though is the sound quality on the 8X is superb, this isn't to do with beats which everyone knows is just a equalising setting emphasising bass, it's the additional amp and head phone voltage they have applied to the headphone jack and another additional amp on the internal speaker. Listening side by side to my Iphone 5 and Note 2 there is no comparison. Even my friend who I handed a 8X to test (he's an apple fan boy with a Iphone 5) loves the 8X and couldn't believe how good the sound quality was!

This time round HTC has delivered a decent phone with a great screen, excellent sound quality and a tried and tested camera. Rather than bashing them HTC need support for actually bothering to design a phone from scratch for Windows Phone 8, they as well as Nokia are in trouble and have gone back to basics.

As for the support Nokia's track record is as poor, I have seen 1000's of devices from them and their quality control is terrible (hence why they are in such a bad state now). They rested on their laurels and name, just as Blackberry have done and are now paying the price.

As a photographer I will only use a camera on a phone as a last resort for a quick snap. There is no camera phone with the limited sensors, lenses etc that would even begin to touch a decent quality compact let alone a DSLR/Mirrorless. As soon as you want to print larger prints, crop in etc it becomes mush. Also they also are all heavily processed and cannot do RAW therefore are useless to photographers.

So what we are talking about with the camera/picture quality are just really different degree's of acceptable for pictures posted on facebook and photo sharing websites. Don't rely on phones such as the Nokia to enable you print off great photo's especially if enlarged, 4x6 or maybe 5x7 will be okay. As I said I use them for quick snaps where the quality isn't that important rather than the content of the shot. I carry my RX100 which is very small yet infenetily better quality than any camera on a phone if I want to take shots.

Personally rather than reading threads like this that just slag of competitors offerings, enjoy the phone you decide to get, all of them have pro's and con's, research before you buy and then enjoy.

Ever heard of 808 PureView. And HTC OneX and 8X have got one of worst camera ever. Check any of the neutral shootouts done by likes of GSMarena.

Well, if you are not a fan of Nokia is fine. But bashing them about their track record makes you look stupid. It is the biggest lie I have ever heard. They are the only one who care about WP OS and even other customers. Only they are bringing Bluetooth file transfer and other features with WP7.8 to old devices. Can you expect that from HTC.

[erock150]

So I buy a iPhone 4 and I can't make a call because according to apple I'm holding it wrong. The fix buy a case. The home button stops working, the fix well apple never admitted this was a problem so no fix. Then apple updates me to the worst maps ever, and takes away google maps something I use for work every day. The fix, sorry we will fix that some day try someone else's map app. But Every one loves apple iphone.
Nokia launches a phone at a great price with a great camera, announce an update that will make the camera even better and it's the end of Nokia.
I'll take my 920 in black please.

[1jaxstate1]

Do anyone care about what u would get? Don't remember asking you.

Still beats the **** out of copycats wannabe flagships even in daylight conditions. If something needs to be a joke then 8X is. Totally worthless. I will pick a Lumia 810/820 any day over one.

[1jaxstate1]

Not being negative. Just posing the question. If audiophiles will tell you that beats audio is garbage, then I'm sure photo gurus will tell you ois is garbage.

Man, so much negativity. How about you enjoy your 8X and post back here if/when you have to deal with their customer service and let us know how it went?

Phil Collins isn't in the studio with beats audio just like Steven Spielberg isn't shooting his new movie with a Nokia.

[justinl111]

Ever heard of 808 PureView. And HTC OneX and 8X have got one of worst camera ever. Check any of the neutral shootouts done by likes of GSMarena.

Well, if you are not a fan of Nokia is fine. But bashing them about their track record makes you look stupid. It is the biggest lie I have ever heard. They are the only one who care about WP OS and even other customers. Only they are bringing Bluetooth file transfer and other features with WP7.8 to old devices. Can you expect that from HTC.

Sorry if you actually read what I said both companies don't have brilliant track records, we need to support both devices and the Windows Phone system as a whole without bashing competing phones on the system!

Pureview 808 is a concept camera phone with a 40mp sensor using multisampling and pixel binning, ie it cheats, as a proper useable camera sorry it doesn't hold up against any decent camera, just look at the sensor size and the lens quality!

As for calling me stupid, sorry all I have done is point out that all devices have flaws, a phone is not a camera and what evewr phone you have it won't be able to produce anything comparable to a proper camera's picture quality, if you understand photography you will understand my statement. Please point out where I have bashed anything! I want both companies to succeed it is imperative for the platform for them to do well. Bashing the phones like what you hjave just done using the 8x camera example as being terrible is just pointless!

[keizka]

It certainly isn't a concept device any more than N900 or N9 since it's out there, in the market, obtainable.

[nano321]

Sorry if you actually read what I said both companies don't have brilliant track records, we need to support both devices and the Windows Phone system as a whole without bashing competing phones on the system!

Pureview 808 is a concept camera phone with a 40mp sensor using multisampling and pixel binning, ie it cheats, as a proper useable camera sorry it doesn't hold up against any decent camera, just look at the sensor size and the lens quality!

As for calling me stupid, sorry all I have done is point out that all devices have flaws, a phone is not a camera and what evewr phone you have it won't be able to produce anything comparable to a proper camera's picture quality, if you understand photography you will understand my statement. Please point out where I have bashed anything! I want both companies to succeed it is imperative for the platform for them to do well. Bashing the phones like what you hjave just done using the 8x camera example as being terrible is just pointless!

I don't know in which world you live. 808 PureView is my daily driver and talking about its innovative technology as cheating shows your bitterness about something. May be Nokia. may be the fact that HTC is not able to compete it on that front :).

Anyways attacking Nokia and its innovations in a pseudo way is also pretty visible, however you pretend.

[justinl111]

It certainly isn't a concept device any more than N900 or N9 since it's out there, in the market, obtainable.

IT's a proof of concept phone not made for mass market, try to use it as a normal everyday phone I think you will find many limitations as reviewers have pointed out. Also as I have said the quality still does not touch a dedicated camera.

As I have said I have used numerous Nokia devices last one being the Lumia 800, and will be getting a 920 when they are released to the UK market without exclusivity, I have not at any point said the 8X is better than the 920.

[aubreyq]

Sometimes I envy the iPhone crowd for not having to put up with all of the BS that goes on about which manufacturer makes the better phone. Hopefully Microsoft will come out with a Surface phone, sooner rather than later, to quiet down some of the nonsense.

Yesterday I was thinking: "Man, maybe I should roll with 7.8 until the Surface Phone comes out" but I really want to try out WP8 sooner rather than later ;).

So I buy a iPhone 4 and I can't make a call because according to apple I'm holding it wrong. The fix buy a case. The home button stops working, the fix well apple never admitted this was a problem so no fix. Then apple updates me to the worst maps ever, and takes away google maps something I use for work every day. The fix, sorry we will fix that some day try someone else's map app. But Every one loves apple iphone.
Nokia launches a phone at a great price with a great camera, announce an update that will make the camera even better and it's the end of Nokia.
I'll take my 920 in black please.

Welcome to Windows Phone and to WPCentral, Erock. Sorry that you're seeing all of this bickering but we argue because we care, LOL! Hope you like it here, man.

[aubreyq]

BTW, what do people argue about in iPhone forums? Anyone know?

[socialcarpet]

I guess Nokia phone are suppose to be for photo gurus. In that case, I guess the 920 is a joke.

Nah the Nokia PureView 808 is for photo gurus. No other camera on any phone comes close.

But we'll see what's what when the 920 actually ships and everything is in it's final form.

[socialcarpet]

sad really. both the 8X and 920 has pros and cons... people should want both these devices to be successful and raise windows phone up a bit.

Agreed.

I do want to see Windows Phone succeed, that is the most important thing.

[brmiller1976]

We won't have to wonder for long. Beats is a joke. "Beats" is a brand name for wannabe gangstas with saggy pants, not audiophiles. Monster is just about as bad honestly, the Monster accessories for Nokia are OK, but they cost about 2x what they should for the quality they deliver. I'm hoping we will see more cooperation between Nokia and Dolby Labs. I'm much more optimistic about that than any of the others.

Some of us appreciate awesome, rich sound for our musical libraries... Others appreciate over saturated, pixelated out of focus pictures that will be fixed real soon now, honest! :D

[socialcarpet]

Some of us appreciate awesome, rich sound for our musical libraries... Others appreciate over saturated, pixelated out of focus pictures that will be fixed real soon now, honest! :D

[brmiller1976]

Isn't spamming against the forum rules? Could have sworn it was... ;)

[Winterfang]

BTW, what do people argue about in iPhone forums? Anyone know?

What's there to argue? They probably just discuss apps and accessories.

[aubreyq]

What's there to argue? They probably just discuss apps and accessories.

But you really don't know, do you?

[Winterfang]

Every message board I've being is always just apps discussion, accesories, photos, latest jailbreak news and the occasional Android troll.

[stmav]

Yesterday I was thinking: "Man, maybe I should roll with 7.8 until the Surface Phone comes out" but I really want to try out WP8 sooner rather than later ;).

Welcome to Windows Phone and to WPCentral, Erock. Sorry that you're seeing all of this bickering but we argue because we care, LOL! Hope you like it here, man.

Don't listen to aubrey. A lot of people like to argue, especially him. Enjoy your stay!

[chaosavatar123]

Every message board I've being is always just apps discussion, accesories, photos, latest jailbreak news and the occasional Android troll.

Wait so do WP trolls even exist?

[Winterfang]

You can try to be but then you will made an *** out of yourself when everyone laughs at you.

[socialcarpet]

You can try to be but then you will made an *** out of yourself when everyone laughs at you.

Sounds like you speak from experience. That's nice to see for a change. :lol: