- 11-01-2012, 10:45 PM #1
THE VERGE POSTED THE REVIEW FOR THE LUMIA 920 AND IT GAVE THE PHONE 7.9
(this article shows how bias the review is)
***i merely copied and pasted this article from one of the readers who wrote this article on their site.
The Lumia 920 review masquerades under the cover of objectiveness but is nothing more than a well worded biased hatchet job. Balance is not saying negative statements followed by positive statements in a belief that they will net each other off. Balance is reporting facts and being objective.
It's becoming more apparent that the sole aim of the Verge staff in using non Apple hardware is to write articles and reviews to confirm their bias and re-affirm to the Apple followers that they need not try or buy other devices because their decision to choose Apple is sound.
Some examples of the bias
"The Lumia 920 isn't quite the revelation in phone design that its predecessors were" - yet the Iphone 5 scores a 9 on design when it has not looked substantially different to a 2 year old Iphone 4. The argument being that the Iphone manifests a design philosophy that is not subject to frequent change.
"I can't help but poke fun at smartphone manufacturers touting subtle refinements in their LCD displays with abstruse marketing terminology " Yet he mentions the "iPhone 5's Retina Display". Retina is a marketing term - if I watch my 50" TV from over 20 feet away I cannot discern individual pixels so does that make it retina?
"Another thing I noticed is that camera shake can still make itself apparent in photos, even with this optical image stabilization " - The assumeption here is that unless image stabilisation provides 100% stabilization its another gimmick - what complete nonsense - no camera can provide complete image stabilisation.
" they’ll be less enthused about the 920’s automatic white balance" - no mention of the manual white balance or a thorough review of the camera.
"To most eyes, the images look a little washed out and don’t "pop," with not enough warm tones." However Dieter mentions he does not like the over saturated colours of AMOLED screen but then critiques the more realistic and true colour reproduciton of Nokia camera images as saying that they are washed out.
Now looking at the scores - even if the reviews are done by different people there should be consistency in the scoring methodology or there is no point to it. There is some merit to the argument that some subtle differences are lost in the scoring but not to the point of creating perverse scores. Also as mentioned Tom Warren, Josh Topolsky, and Vlad Savov contributed to the review then we can say the scoring should be comparable to other reviews.
Iphone scored 9, Lumia 8 - design is in the eye of the beholder but to say one design does not look old because it is holding to a design philosophy but then to say another requires refresh shows clear hypocrisy.
Iphone 9, lumia 9 - yet the Lumia has a larger screen, higher ppi, faster refresh, more sensitive screen - all facts
Iphone 8, Lumia 8 - in comparisons the Lumia is the outright winner on every occasion.
iphone 9, Lumia 7 - on a preproduction handset without finalised software -
Iphone 10, Lumia 5 - now somehow the Lumia 800, 900 scored higher on the ecosystem when the Windows ecosystem was further behind that of Ios.
The only consistency in the Verge reviews is the bias
- 11-01-2012, 10:58 PM #3
11-01-2012, 11:03 PM #6
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Most people don't read reviews on tech sites before they go in and purchase a phone. VERY few people actually do their homework. If they did, we'd probably be better off, but ah well.
My point is this: phones will be sold at retail by the carrier employees. The phones will have to impress in person, not in an article online. If the new Nokias (and WP8s) are capable of doing that, they will sell. I really do think it's about as simple as that.
- 11-01-2012, 11:09 PM #7
Well the video review was pretty nice. Very objective nothing unusual.
Complained about the thickess and weight
Love the darkshots, love the bright ones.
Love the video, loves the camera
Loves the screen
Dislikes the OS.
Dislikes that there's compromises and lack of definitely date.
- 11-01-2012, 11:14 PM #9
Companies fortunes and peoples jobs depend on these reviews. The people at Nokia worked really hard on this device, and they deserve a fair shake. As it is, I don't know if this review gave them that fair shake or not, but I find it highly unlikely. At the very least the reception score seems unfair: You don't dish out low scores that you aren't certain are well deserved. You don't publish if your data isn't ready. In this case the verge did both.
A thread for this topic already exists here.
- 11-01-2012, 11:49 PM #12
This is an example of a good review, although for the ATIV S. Just the fact that they employ lab equipment should tell you they operate on a completely different level.
I don't trust anyone to be impartial in these types of tests. People hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. It's human nature. With all the bias on this forum, why do we expect reviewers to be any better? They aren't. Due to financial concerns they are often worse. They need a more scientific approach to reviewing devices which the verge lacks completely... a more systematic approach that guarantees a non biased view of the device which lays the foundation on which they build... a.k.a. measurements.
They also just don't know their stuff. For example this (copied this from the other thread):
- 11-01-2012, 11:54 PM #13
There is no such thing as an impartial review. Each site will insert its own bias to match with the demographic of the site's visitors. Try reading about the same political event on MSNBC and Fox News. The best we can hope for is that the phones are good enough that their strengths shine through regardless.
- 11-01-2012, 11:57 PM #14
This example is kind of dumb. He was just comparing the two and even then, the reviewer stated that it was a worthy trade off and that he prefer better to have a visible black than to deal with the oversaturation of the amoled displays.
I honestly believe that some fans fall too much for the hype and every criticism is overreacted. Is a very positive review, are people angry because it got 7.9'd? This ain't Gamefaqs or Neogaf, relax.
- 11-02-2012, 12:02 AM #15
The 7.9 rating has no influence on how I judge the quality of this review. I care about the testing method, because I want at least some insurance that the review is free of bias, which the verge can not offer, due to a total lack of anything resembling a formal testing method. Is that so hard to understand?
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11-02-2012, 12:14 AM #16
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Like I said in another thread, my main gripe with The Verge is the way they score the Ecosystem. Basically, they have no clue what the word Ecosystem means. It always drags down the overall score.
In essence, all of their Windows Phone reviews come with a built-in -1.5 which is why they're so predictable I just won't bother with them anymore.
- 11-02-2012, 12:39 AM #17
It clearly deserves at least an 8.5. Which would make a lot of potential buyers take the plunge.
That webpage must get MILLIONS of hits every month. 1% of it looking at those reviews not getting to at least an 8.0 and changing their minds is not a stretch or exaggeration.
- 11-02-2012, 12:48 AM #20
11-02-2012, 01:27 AM #22
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I just hope many of the readers read the comments in the review pointing out their fairly blatant bias.
For those saying that they thought the review was good, take a look at its largest competitors. iPhone 5 got an 8.8 and the Galaxy S3 got an 8.5. I know we're a bit biased on this forum as well, but honestly the phone needed to be rated a bit higher considering the innovations.
- 11-02-2012, 01:36 AM #23
11-02-2012, 01:44 AM #24
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CLEARLY the mainstream media at least in the US is very, very biased as firstness stated. The networks have their own agendas.
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11-02-2012, 01:58 AM #25
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Guys the difference is that they are reviewing from a general consumer review, that includes their thoughts on the mobile OS etc. You're likely looking for a review based on the hardware as, like us, you're already completely sold on the OS & ecosystem. Our review will be up soon. On a personal note remember that we know Dieter here, and I trust him to give an unbiased review based on his own opinion