- 09-12-2012, 01:25 PM #5
With the iPhone 5 Apple forgot about Steve. He is now truly dead and buried. which is sad really.
This phone would have _never_ gotten passed Steve Jobs in this state. It does not even play catchup to the competition.
Last edited by paulheu; 09-12-2012 at 01:34 PM.
09-12-2012, 01:36 PM #6
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Apple has a very large core or customers that will always but their products not matter what. You're not going to sway them. The question is how many current Iphone owners are there that are ready to jump ship for something different and (yes) better? How many current Iphone owners are there that today decided not to upgrade to ip5?
Iphone5 numbers will be large but this might be the first year new release sales were less than prior sales....When you judge someone you tell more about yourself than the person you are judging.
- 09-12-2012, 01:40 PM #7
Are you FREAKING kidding me?! The iPhone 5 is literally a poorly done catch-up device. The only thing they did was announce pricing and availability, and mark my words... we'll get both over the next week or two... and they'll be lower than the iPhone.
- 09-12-2012, 01:50 PM #8
All the posts above goes to show fan boys are d*cks any where you go on the internet. I was stupid to think this forum would be different. If you read my OP again, you will see that it was about the iPhone 5 launch dates, prices and countries and nothing more. I didn't say anything about the iPhone 5's features or lack thereof or how it competes with the Lumia 920.
Why are you guys so insecure? My next phone will be a Lumia 920. Too bad I will be part of another iSheep or Fandroid community with just a different name. I honestly thought the WP faternity was going to be different and above petty attacks. I was mistaken.
- 09-12-2012, 01:51 PM #9
I don't care about the device on how it compares really with what's out there. I think the OP is stating that they announced their new product, with pricing, and with exact preorder/shipping dates. THAT is how it's done. Just giving credit to where credit is due. Other than that, the iPhone 5 is meh.
- 09-12-2012, 02:16 PM #10
Most of the iPhone5 presentation was pretty bland. Did you watch something different?
For what it's worth, I think Apple makes a good product, and they deserve their success. But the iPhone5 shows that they're losing their mojo. I guess Steve Jobs really was the heart of that company.
- 09-12-2012, 02:17 PM #11
- 09-12-2012, 02:21 PM #12
What do you expect? It's a platform debate. It's Microsoft vs. Apple. If you were expecting less hostility on a Windows Phone forum about Apple, then you were only fooling yourself.
- 09-12-2012, 02:23 PM #13
It's a good quality of a presentation (and I was very disappointed that Nokia didn't), but it's not what "makes" a presentation. The availability doesn't change my desire for it.
- 09-12-2012, 02:29 PM #14Phone History (hopefully in order): Samsung SGH-D407 > AT&T (HTC) Tilt > Sony Ericsson W580 > Blackberry Curve 8900 > Sony Ericsson C901 > HTC Touch Pro 2 > Blackberry 9700 > iPhone 3GS > Motorola Defy > Blackberry 9650 > iPhone 4 > Nokia E71 > Dell Venue Pro > HTC Titan > HTC Titan II > Lumia 900 + Samsung Galaxy Exhibit > Nokia Lumia 920 + Nokia Lumia 521 + Motorola RAZR V3xx
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- 09-12-2012, 02:37 PM #15
This was the title of my thread: "This is how you do it Nokia - watch and learn".
The only things I highlighted/bolded in my OP were the dates, so you had to know that was the focus of the thread. There wasn't a single word about the iPhone 5's features or how it lined up against the 920.
The fact that you jumped all over this thread without even bothering to understand what the point of the OP was speaks more to your insecurity about Nokia and WP than my supposedly misleading thread title.
Like I said, my next phone is a Lumia 920. My only problem with Nokia's launch was lack of concrete dates and availability. They have a lot to learn from Apple in this regard. But I am sure Nokia and MS will get there eventually.
- 09-12-2012, 02:42 PM #16
That is simply a ludicrous statement to make. As a matter of fact, I think Winning Guy happens to be one of the strongest spoken advocates of the platform right now. I find nothing insecure with pointing out that your thesis, while direct, is flawed and for the reasons everyone has given.
The fact that you've come here expecting people who are pro-Microsoft to somehow be loving and appreciative of Apple's release is absurd.
- 09-12-2012, 02:45 PM #17Phone History (hopefully in order): Samsung SGH-D407 > AT&T (HTC) Tilt > Sony Ericsson W580 > Blackberry Curve 8900 > Sony Ericsson C901 > HTC Touch Pro 2 > Blackberry 9700 > iPhone 3GS > Motorola Defy > Blackberry 9650 > iPhone 4 > Nokia E71 > Dell Venue Pro > HTC Titan > HTC Titan II > Lumia 900 + Samsung Galaxy Exhibit > Nokia Lumia 920 + Nokia Lumia 521 + Motorola RAZR V3xx
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- 09-12-2012, 02:52 PM #18
Consistently he has suggested that giving pricing and release information is the most important aspect of how to launch a product (to which I agree it's important), and has consistently followed up declaring how hateful and hostile and d*cks (his words, not mine) us "fanboys" are.
Clearly, I must assume that we're supposed to post favorably about a platform we dislike or else we're d*cks.
But hey, maybe you didn't bother to read that post in the high pace action being posted.
(And, btw, based on the use of that expression and direction this topic is going... don't expect it to last long. A mod will shut this one down pretty rapidly.)
09-12-2012, 03:10 PM #20
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I agree, this is how you do it - release price points and dates during presentation.
I think Apple does this because they control literally 100 percent of their operation in terms of hardware, software, and negotiations with carriers. They are in the best position to present their new product and release it in a timely manner.
I would have loved Nokia/Samsung to present, show off, and announce release dates, but they simply cannot.
- 09-12-2012, 03:29 PM #22
- 09-12-2012, 03:36 PM #24
I think there is some confusion, but I don't really think that the Nokia or the Samsung things were "launch parties" they were product announcements. I think there will be a launch party in the next month or so that will have specifics. This will be a straight up Microsoft event though, I think.Samsung Focus Flash on Straight Talk.
- 09-12-2012, 04:03 PM #25
I disagree this once. Nokia did the right thing. It was better to announce before the iPhone 5 without a product. Why?
Because everyone is comparing the iPhone to the Lumia 920 and for all intents and purposes the Lumia 920 comes out ahead.