[saintforlife]

iPhone 5 launch:

Pre-orders start on Friday Sep 14th. Shipping on September 21st in the US, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

[KarateDad]

The only thing really awesome is that it is available in 9 days. Other than it being thin, it was a yawn fest.

[Winning Guy]

The iPhone5 announcement was a disaster.

This is NOT how you do it Nokia.

[crystal_planet]

I hope you and your iPhone are very happy. When's the wedding?

**Sent from my Windows Phone using Board Express**

[paulheu]

With the iPhone 5 Apple forgot about Steve. He is now truly dead and buried. which is sad really.

This phone would have _never_ gotten passed Steve Jobs in this state. It does not even play catchup to the competition.

[Old_Cus]

Apple has a very large core or customers that will always but their products not matter what. You're not going to sway them. The question is how many current Iphone owners are there that are ready to jump ship for something different and (yes) better? How many current Iphone owners are there that today decided not to upgrade to ip5?

Iphone5 numbers will be large but this might be the first year new release sales were less than prior sales.

[GoodThings2Life]

Are you FREAKING kidding me?! The iPhone 5 is literally a poorly done catch-up device. The only thing they did was announce pricing and availability, and mark my words... we'll get both over the next week or two... and they'll be lower than the iPhone.

[saintforlife]

All the posts above goes to show fan boys are d*cks any where you go on the internet. I was stupid to think this forum would be different. If you read my OP again, you will see that it was about the iPhone 5 launch dates, prices and countries and nothing more. I didn't say anything about the iPhone 5's features or lack thereof or how it competes with the Lumia 920.

Why are you guys so insecure? My next phone will be a Lumia 920. Too bad I will be part of another iSheep or Fandroid community with just a different name. I honestly thought the WP faternity was going to be different and above petty attacks. I was mistaken.

[SoloXCRacer]

I don't care about the device on how it compares really with what's out there. I think the OP is stating that they announced their new product, with pricing, and with exact preorder/shipping dates. THAT is how it's done. Just giving credit to where credit is due. Other than that, the iPhone 5 is meh.

[Winning Guy]

All the posts above goes to show fan boys are d*cks any where you go on the internet. I was stupid to think this forum would be different. If you read my OP again, you will see that it was about the iPhone 5 launch dates, prices and countries and nothing more. I didn't say anything about the iPhone 5's features or lack thereof or how it competes with the Lumia 920.

Why are you guys so insecure? My next phone will be a Lumia 920. Too bad I will be part of another iSheep or Fandroid community with just a different name. I honestly thought the WP faternity was going to be different and above petty attacks. I was mistaken.

Your post didn't say, "This is how you announce release dates."

Most of the iPhone5 presentation was pretty bland. Did you watch something different?

For what it's worth, I think Apple makes a good product, and they deserve their success. But the iPhone5 shows that they're losing their mojo. I guess Steve Jobs really was the heart of that company.

[Winning Guy]

I don't care about the device on how it compares really with what's out there. I think the OP is stating that they announced their new product, with pricing, and with exact preorder/shipping dates. THAT is how it's done. Just giving credit to where credit is due. Other than that, the iPhone 5 is meh.

Why is that how it's done?

Especially when the final build of WP8 may not have passed all QA tests yet.

Imagine Nokia announcing a release date, then having to delay it because there was a bug found in WP8 QA that had to be fixed before release. THAT would be worse.

[GoodThings2Life]

All the posts above goes to show fan boys are d*cks any where you go on the internet. I was stupid to think this forum would be different. If you read my OP again, you will see that it was about the iPhone 5 launch dates, prices and countries and nothing more...

...Why are you guys so insecure?...

And if you read, you'll notice that I DID comment on the launch date aspect... but that alone doesn't make an exciting launch which was the thesis of your argument. It's a good thing, but all they did was announce a minor update, they're charging the same for it, but you have to buy all your accessories all over again... or at least a bulky adapter. Furthermore, do you really believe Nokia didn't plan to wait on pricing until after?

What do you expect? It's a platform debate. It's Microsoft vs. Apple. If you were expecting less hostility on a Windows Phone forum about Apple, then you were only fooling yourself.

[GoodThings2Life]

Why is that how it's done?

Especially when the final build of WP8 may not have passed all QA tests yet.

Imagine Nokia announcing a release date, then having to delay it because there was a bug found in WP8 QA that had to be fixed before release. THAT would be worse.

Exactly, and look at Amazon. They announced pre-ordering and dates... for a product that won't be released until mid-November.

It's a good quality of a presentation (and I was very disappointed that Nokia didn't), but it's not what "makes" a presentation. The availability doesn't change my desire for it.

[alpinestars1z]

It's a good quality of a presentation (and I was very disappointed that Nokia didn't), but it's not what "makes" a presentation. The availability doesn't change my desire for it.

Yeah, I wish Nokia's and Microsoft's presentations were better. It's harder to watch and get excited about something when the presenter keeps stuttering and doesn't seem genuinely excited about the product.

[saintforlife]

Your post didn't say, "This is how you announce release dates."

You are not much of a winner when it comes to reading comprehension are you?

This was the title of my thread: "This is how you do it Nokia - watch and learn".

The only things I highlighted/bolded in my OP were the dates, so you had to know that was the focus of the thread. There wasn't a single word about the iPhone 5's features or how it lined up against the 920.

The fact that you jumped all over this thread without even bothering to understand what the point of the OP was speaks more to your insecurity about Nokia and WP than my supposedly misleading thread title.

Like I said, my next phone is a Lumia 920. My only problem with Nokia's launch was lack of concrete dates and availability. They have a lot to learn from Apple in this regard. But I am sure Nokia and MS will get there eventually.

[GoodThings2Life]

That is simply a ludicrous statement to make. As a matter of fact, I think Winning Guy happens to be one of the strongest spoken advocates of the platform right now. I find nothing insecure with pointing out that your thesis, while direct, is flawed and for the reasons everyone has given.

The fact that you've come here expecting people who are pro-Microsoft to somehow be loving and appreciative of Apple's release is absurd.

[alpinestars1z]

That is simply a ludicrous statement to make. As a matter of fact, I think Winning Guy happens to be one of the strongest spoken advocates of the platform right now. I find nothing insecure with pointing out that your thesis, while direct, is flawed and for the reasons everyone has given.

The fact that you've come here expecting people who are pro-Microsoft to somehow be loving and appreciative of Apple's release is absurd.

Where did he ask for everyone to be loving of Apple's announcement?

[GoodThings2Life]

Where did he ask for everyone to be loving of Apple's announcement?

Really? That's what you want to try and pick on me for? You want to take a literal word for word. OK, fine... as you wish...

Consistently he has suggested that giving pricing and release information is the most important aspect of how to launch a product (to which I agree it's important), and has consistently followed up declaring how hateful and hostile and d*cks (his words, not mine) us "fanboys" are.

Clearly, I must assume that we're supposed to post favorably about a platform we dislike or else we're d*cks.

But hey, maybe you didn't bother to read that post in the high pace action being posted.

(And, btw, based on the use of that expression and direction this topic is going... don't expect it to last long. A mod will shut this one down pretty rapidly.)

[threed61]

In fairness to Nokia, they can't release a phone without an OS, so we're actually waiting on Microsoft. And Amazon has a number of Kindle releases before November, my Kindle Fire HD 7 will be arriving in the next 5 days.

[Zumanity]

I agree, this is how you do it - release price points and dates during presentation.

I think Apple does this because they control literally 100 percent of their operation in terms of hardware, software, and negotiations with carriers. They are in the best position to present their new product and release it in a timely manner.

I would have loved Nokia/Samsung to present, show off, and announce release dates, but they simply cannot.

[oblivman]

Dumb thread is dumb. Announce your product early so consumers know what to expect. Trying to hide all the info until it is ready to launch is an inferior tactic. Just because Apple does it that way, that doesn't make it right.

[SoloXCRacer]

Why is that how it's done?

Especially when the final build of WP8 may not have passed all QA tests yet.

Imagine Nokia announcing a release date, then having to delay it because there was a bug found in WP8 QA that had to be fixed before release. THAT would be worse.

No, that is why you wait until the product is ready. The OS is ready, the hardware is ready, and are now being mass manufactured as the announcement is taking place. It is even worse when you have to fake promotional material because the product is not ready. It is even worse when you don't announce pricing or availability because a lot of people will just buy a competitors product that already has been released or will be release shortly. Nokia has got a solid product, I'm going to buy it because that's what I want. But it doesn't help win new customers to the platform when you get bad press for faking a product that's not ready, and don't release any information on who will carry it and at what price. More than likely they will just buy what's already out there and not wait. Talking about the average non-fanboyish customer who is not loyal to any echo system, which far outnumber us geeks.

[SoloXCRacer]

Dumb thread is dumb. Announce your product early so consumers know what to expect. Trying to hide all the info until it is ready to launch is an inferior tactic. Just because Apple does it that way, that doesn't make it right.

Yeah inferior. That's why they sell twice as many products in a weekend than Lumias ever.

[sconrad308]

I think there is some confusion, but I don't really think that the Nokia or the Samsung things were "launch parties" they were product announcements. I think there will be a launch party in the next month or so that will have specifics. This will be a straight up Microsoft event though, I think.

[ljkelley]

I disagree this once. Nokia did the right thing. It was better to announce before the iPhone 5 without a product. Why?

Because everyone is comparing the iPhone to the Lumia 920 and for all intents and purposes the Lumia 920 comes out ahead.