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    I have seen that the 1020 can take some time to take the first photo (3-5 seconds according to another thread). However, I am wondering what the lag time is once the camera app is already open. In other words, with the camera app open, does the Lumia 1020 have a noticeable shutter lag between pressing the button and taking the shot? One of my biggest complaints about many digital cameras is shutter lag, and it is a large reason why we moved to a digital SLR. With kids and many photos, shutter lag is the key factor preventing me from getting the shot I wanted. Any insight from owners would be appreciated before I splash out the money.
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    Using the normal camera app is as fast as any other windows phone. Apps like SmartCam, Cinemagraph etc.. open up pretty fast. It is only the ProCam app which takes time to open and save betqween shots.

    That said I have read many posts from owners claiming it is over exaggerated, I think you should use the device once before making a decision. You are getting something close to better point and shoots

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    The procam app haqs a delay because it saves both 3x megapixel and 5megapixel images. The other apps only save the 5 megapixel.
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    Even with the Pro Cam application saving both a 3x and a 5 MP shot at the same time, the delay doesn't seem that excessive to me thanks to the 2 GB of RAM. Also, the default/standard camera app is super fast at taking your shots and the Pro cam app is really designed for those moments when you can afford to take your time to fiddle around with the many settings to get the perfect shot.
    If you want to take pictures of your kids then just use the Sports mode of the default/standard camera application.
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    My question was more about shutter lag - the time between pressing the photo button and taking the shot. Sorry if I wasn't clear. With the camera application already open, is there any shutter lag?
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    If your looking for shot to shot performance it is all in saving the pictures. its pretty quick if you only have it save the 5 megapixel shots.
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    You need to use the camera to see if the lag is what you expect (better/worse/indifferent) and whether you feel it is worth the money. I would be lying if I said I didn't miss shots because of the shutter delay. My Yorkie poses for me so I take quite a few pictures of him. Unfortuantely, he thinks he is "done" when he sees the auto-focus light go on/off. I can usually convince him to stay with a look and I get the shot, but there have been a few times where a photo will go from sitting attentively to OMG it's a camera, ATTACK!
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    Anyone else have thoughts on shutter lag? I went to the store and used it, the shutter lag was not awful but was not nearly as quick as the dSLR that I have. I also thought it was slightly slower than the iPhone 5 that my wife uses. However, this was an indoor setting so the shutter lag may be better outdoors. The picture quality was very good, you could tell that just by zooming on the phone screen.
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    The phone really needs a Sanp 800 SoC in there ... it will make the whole camera package perform much, much better.
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    This is what I was looking for. According to the post linked below, shutter lag (time from pressing button to taking photo) is:
    In very good lightning condition:
    Iphone 5 is about 0.2 sec
    my Nokia N8 about 0.3 sec
    Nokia 808 about 0.4 sec.
    Nokia 1020 0.8 sec.


    Re: What is the shutter lag of Nokia 1020?: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

    As that poster states, that is a deal breaker for me. When I take a photo it is usually of people (like kids) and 0.8 seconds would miss the photo. I wonder if the 1520 is any better?
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    To answer Your question, OP
    Yes, 1020 has a noticeable shutter lag. You need to time your fingers right, to tap the screen just before You want the shot to happen. Had this problem when I was shooting my friend riding a cross bike (we had to make a couple of replays so I could get the hang of it and time it right). To be honest I never really took my time to measure it exactly, but it feels more like ~0.5 sec (closer to Your nokia 808 figure) I can't be sure though. But if You want your shot to be just instant as You tap... it's not going to happen, at least not with with Nokia Camera. I would have to check if apps like ProShot have it reduced.
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    roastbeefalo, I think one thing worth knowing is that the timelag quoted above is for the Nokia Camera app (which is excellent) but it is much much quicker on the "default" Windows Phone 8 camera app, feels almost instant.

    What I like to do is have the default camera app activated by the camera button for those times I want a quick pic, or to shoot something like a hyperactive kid. If I have time to take the photos I want, I open Nokia Camera from the home screen. I find this a good mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roastbeefalo View Post
    This is what I was looking for. According to the post linked below, shutter lag (time from pressing button to taking photo) is:
    In very good lightning condition:
    Iphone 5 is about 0.2 sec
    my Nokia N8 about 0.3 sec
    Nokia 808 about 0.4 sec.
    Nokia 1020 0.8 sec.


    Re: What is the shutter lag of Nokia 1020?: Mobile Photography Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

    As that poster states, that is a deal breaker for me. When I take a photo it is usually of people (like kids) and 0.8 seconds would miss the photo. I wonder if the 1520 is any better?
    0.8sec!? No way, I just took 4 shots to check, I could count to 4 mississippis before it let me take another picture. (4 seconds) One shot took over 5 seconds. Nothing less than 4 seconds though. So yes, there is a shot to shot lag time. Of course if you take only 5mp photos using the stock camera app, the delay is much less noticeable.

    On the other hand, I wonder if this can be fixed in software though. For example, in iOS6+ when you take an HDR picture, it's almost instantaneous. My friend was doing it on his iphone 4 and I was like wow, that was so fast with a crappy single core processor. But then he showed me that if you go back into the camera roll, a little circle is spinning around the image while it processes. (So it's not that fast) Basically it pushes the photo processing to the side and lets you continue to use the phone while it processes the pic. I really hope WP8.1 implements something like that. I'm pretty sure Android has the same thing as well.
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    Thanks 6029. I can understand that the shot to shot time lag for the full size photos would be longer, but why would shutter lag be longer in the Nokia app? I am not even talking about the lag including the startup of the camera app, but rather the shutter lag assuming the camera app is already running. In other words, assuming the camera app is running, and I hit the shutter button, how long before the picture is taken? It is primarily a delay due to the camera focussing. If someone is running, or laughing, that moment could be over if the shutter lag is poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiz Mian View Post
    0.8sec!? No way, I just took 4 shots to check, I could count to 4 mississippis before it let me take another picture. (4 seconds) One shot took over 5 seconds. Nothing less than 4 seconds though. So yes, there is a shot to shot lag time. Of course if you take only 5mp photos using the stock camera app, the delay is much less noticeable.

    On the other hand, I wonder if this can be fixed in software though. For example, in iOS6+ when you take an HDR picture, it's almost instantaneous. My friend was doing it on his iphone 4 and I was like wow, that was so fast with a crappy single core processor. But then he showed me that if you go back into the camera roll, a little circle is spinning around the image while it processes. (So it's not that fast) Basically it pushes the photo processing to the side and lets you continue to use the phone while it processes the pic. I really hope WP8.1 implements something like that. I'm pretty sure Android has the same thing as well.
    I think what the OP was talking about, is different on what you are suggesting. In my understanding, it's not the shot-to-shot time, but the time it takes when you press the shutter (assuming camera app is already running), and it takes the photo? Or I am the one confused here? Lol

    To OP, if I was right, actually it is not that long. What makes it long is the focus time, and as the others say, taking a shot after you already took a shot. So if you are just wondering about the time it takes to capture after you press the shutter, I dont think it has a pretty long lag (unless you use it professionally and i dunno under what circumstances) but for casual shooting, i think its pretty good. Also, to overcome the focusing time, you can set the focus to manual or to infinity so it would go directly at capturing
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    Quote Originally Posted by roastbeefalo View Post
    Thanks 6029. I can understand that the shot to shot time lag for the full size photos would be longer, but why would shutter lag be longer in the Nokia app? I am not even talking about the lag including the startup of the camera app, but rather the shutter lag assuming the camera app is already running. In other words, assuming the camera app is running, and I hit the shutter button, how long before the picture is taken? It is primarily a delay due to the camera focussing. If someone is running, or laughing, that moment could be over if the shutter lag is poor.
    Yes, we're talking about shot to shot time as well. After the app is open, when you take a picture, there is about a 4 second delay. The issue is the saving process. After you take the picture which takes about 0.5seconds(focusing and snapping) you stare at the picture you just took for about 3-4 seconds afterwards with the word saving... at the top left. The reason is because you are actually saving two pictures to the phones memory. A giant 38mp photo and a scaled 5mp photo. The standard camera app is much quicker because it only saves one 5mp photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssjmec View Post
    I think what the OP was talking about, is different on what you are suggesting. In my understanding, it's not the shot-to-shot time, but the time it takes when you press the shutter (assuming camera app is already running), and it takes the photo? Or I am the one confused here? Lol

    To OP, if I was right, actually it is not that long. What makes it long is the focus time, and as the others say, taking a shot after you already took a shot. So if you are just wondering about the time it takes to capture after you press the shutter, I dont think it has a pretty long lag (unless you use it professionally and i dunno under what circumstances) but for casual shooting, i think its pretty good. Also, to overcome the focusing time, you can set the focus to manual or to infinity so it would go directly at capturing
    Oh ok, so if you're trying to figure out how long it takes to take a single shot, it's about 0.5 seconds. But if you want to take another picture right away, you can't. You have to wait 3-4 seconds for it to save before you can take another picture.
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    Maybe a quad core will help, if 1020 ever to have a successor. In fact, things are already better now as smart cam is built into the Nokia camera app. Imagine the frustration I had from switching between the modes before the integration. I really like how HTC One made their camera suits. Just tap and hold for sequence shots, and you can even take snap shots while doing videos. But that is only a 4MP camera. Perhaps is impossible to do such on a 41MP sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chmun77 View Post
    Maybe a quad core will help, if 1020 ever to have a successor. In fact, things are already better now as smart cam is built into the Nokia camera app. Imagine the frustration I had from switching between the modes before the integration. I really like how HTC One made their camera suits. Just tap and hold for sequence shots, and you can even take snap shots while doing videos. But that is only a 4MP camera. Perhaps is impossible to do such on a 41MP sensor.
    Sigh...yea. The iphone 5s can take 10 full resolution 8mp photos per second. I think the 1520 with it's quad core still isn't as fast as competing OSs. Nokia Camera needs to built into the OS first of all. I notice a lot of the standalone Nokia apps are quite a bit slower and laggier than the built-in windows apps. Probably a native low level access thing.
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    I don't know what the lag time is between pushing the button to capturing the image. But 0.5sec sounds about right. I have twin 7 yr olds 10yr old and 12 yr old and a family cat. The 1020 has not let me down on getting the right shots as long as you understand that you can't always control everything no matter what camera you use. There will always be challenges to getting the right shot.
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    who needs 10 shots a second when the xenon flash freezes time instantly?? I would much rather have xenon flash then a quick burst mode , I pretty much guarantee that if we was in a pub or a dimly lit room with people moving slightly I could take one picture on the 1020 with xenon and it would be better then any photo from any s4 , iPhone 5s , lg g2 , nexus using a burst mode ........ I would even give the other phones a 20/1 shot ratio ie I take one photo and they take 20 shots ...... I still bet the 1020 with xenon flash would freeze time better and give a much better result ;-) if you can freeze water drops and make fans stop spinning with xenon then why do you need a fast burst mode unless its for making a mini slide show type file

    I personally think the shot to shot time is over hyped with the 1020 , I personally think the battery drain from an intensive photo shoot is more of a problem and hope that in the next version the cpu they use can do the job without using so much power (maybe the cpu wont be working so hard so wont use so much juice or will just be a more efficient chip) I can defo see why they made the camera grip for the 1020 if you leave the camera app open in the background or use the camera app a lot boom your battery just drains like a water bottle with a hole in it ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by roastbeefalo View Post
    Thanks 6029. I can understand that the shot to shot time lag for the full size photos would be longer, but why would shutter lag be longer in the Nokia app? I am not even talking about the lag including the startup of the camera app, but rather the shutter lag assuming the camera app is already running. In other words, assuming the camera app is running, and I hit the shutter button, how long before the picture is taken? It is primarily a delay due to the camera focussing. If someone is running, or laughing, that moment could be over if the shutter lag is poor.
    Yes, it's the time it takes to focus that is much longer on Nokia Camera than on Windows Camera.
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    if you use the Smart Sequence lens it takes 10 pictures in a second and lets you pick the best one. This is good for instant shots or shooting just before the subject is ready (I use it with my kids a lot), but there's no chance for flash/focus assist light.

    I have missed shots in the Nokia Camera app due to shutter lag, but the lag is comparable to point-and-shoot cameras. Image quality is on par with dSLRs, while response times are like point-and-shoots. I have stopped carrying point-and-shoots with me since getting the 1020. Agree with other posters that if you need faster shutter response time you should use the built-in camera app, or try Smart Sequence (or other 3rd party camera app).
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    I have some statistics from CamSpeed and Sofica Benchmark reports for shutter and capture times.

    Shutter time = Time from capture call (UI capture click) to the moment when the actual shot was taken.
    Image Capture time = Time from capture call (UI capture click) to the moment when image is ready and processed(jpeg).

    Lumia 1020
    Shutter Time: 0.8-0.9s
    Image Capture time (or time between shots): 3.5s and for 5MP pics 2s

    So to take picture at the right moment you need to press the button almost a second before the right moment..
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    Here's what I do, I like using the Nokia app but sometimes I want the fast shot to shot time so here's my set up:

    -Nokia camera pinned to homepage for shots I can take the time with (5 MP + 34 MP)
    -Nokia camera BETA assigned to shutter button for fast shots (5 MP only)

    It works because they're both considered separate apps so their settings are exclusive of one another. If I need extremely fast speed, I use my iphone 5 and shoot away like a mad man. ;)
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