09-22-2013, 10:12 AM #2
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09-22-2013, 10:30 AM #3
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That's just a sensationalist title to get clicks, and nothing in that article or Neowin one (which has more information) says anything about RT is dead....
WIndows on ARM = Windows RT... maybe they wont use that name but they want to unify the platforms, you know, bring Wp8 to Windows 8/RT not the other way around.
please next time read what you link and not only the title of an article... especially from a pathetic site like engadget.
do you understand what "unification" is at least? apparently you do, but that's totally far from "RT dead" when WP8 has a lot of WinRT elements.
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09-22-2013, 11:13 AM #5
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Fact is: The Surface RT was a major flop. Fact is: Most manufacturers don't touch Windows RT anymore. Fact is: Market share of Windows RT is negligible. My opinion based on two Windows 8 devices I own: When Windows 8 apps are available, they are bad. Much, much worse than Windows Phone apps.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't say Windows RT is a bad product, and I'm happy for everybody who is satisfied with it. But it was a desperate attempt of Microsoft to sell tablets. They never had a chance. Windows RT is dead in its current state, and I think this for two reasons: There are very cheap (full) Windows 8 tablets and with the new Atom generation ARM will most likely not be necessary anymore in the higher price classes. And I do believe in Windows 8 tablets.
The next step, unification of Windows RT and Windows Phone is really necessary. It would bring Windows Phone to an entire new level and open the possibility of "phablets" and smaller tablets to be a success. But this won't be Windows RT in the current form.
And also: I'm using Windows Phone since the switch from Windows Mobile, and I owned Windows Mobile devices for years before. I also have 3 Windows computers, two of them with Windows 8. And I still really like Engadget, I don't see the problem you might have with this homepage.
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- 09-22-2013, 11:36 AM #6
Microsoft commits to 'many more' Windows RT tablets | PCWorld
Microsoft: Phablets are Windows RT's future | ZDNet
"Will it always be the case that a five-inch phone must run an operating system called 'Windows Phone OS'? Or could it run something called 'Windows RT'? (Or vice versa?) What if the Windows Phone OS and Windows RT both evolve so they become, for all intents and purposes, one OS that can run on mobile devices without a desktop?"For those who thought Microsoft should have made Windows 8 more of a true desktop/laptop OS that wasn't optimized for touch tablets, and made the Windows Phone OS the operating system for touch-tablet devices, this kind of phone OS/RT convergence might be a belated dream come true.... "
Paul is actually a pretty good source, all things considered.
09-22-2013, 12:26 PM #8
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I have a Surface RT and love it. It is a bit underpowered though.
I do think RT is going to struggle with OEMs. Microsoft will do well with it in Surface 2, especially if they push it to schools and college kids. I can't even imagine how much easier my college life would have been with a Surface RT. But OEMs seem pretty convinced of using 64 bit Windows tablets and they can even make them cheap. I think those devices are replacing what used to be the cheap netbooks.
However, OEMs biggest issue is build quality. I am sick and tired of seeing cheap, ugly Windows devices. People expect Apple like quality hardware now. They need to match that whether it be RT or 8.
09-22-2013, 02:57 PM #10
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- 09-22-2013, 10:37 PM #14
I will buy it at any price. My first Surface RT I consider the greatest investment of my life, and I completely 100% trust this one will be even better!Try out my first Windows 8 app, ModernCalc! It's free and I would love to hear your feedback!
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09-22-2013, 11:12 PM #15
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If the RT2 is priced at 499$ it will fail! End of story!
What I mean is that, and mind you I sell computers and now sell the surface all of the time, the problem with the surface RT wasn't windows RT, it was the price. There pretty much aren't tablets (the exception being windows 8 tablets), that are priced at the same price as the Apple ipad. Best example is the new galaxy tab 3 10.1, there is a reason samsung made it 399$: If it isn't apple, you can't charge apple prices unless it does so much more and is really better in almost every way...
What I mean by this is the surface RT in many ways was not better than the ipad: Even though the surface RT can do office, has a kickstand, full USB port, expandable memory, it still didn't match up to the ipad in a couple of ways: Battery life (ipad still got like 1 more hour, no big deal though), Screen (this was the big one, I still haven't seen a tablet with a screen as nice as the retina), and app catalog. The rumors on the surface RT 2 is that its supposed to have a tegra 4 and a 1080p screen. If they can put this together in a package for 399$ I think it will be a real winner.
09-23-2013, 09:54 AM #18
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Microsoft blocked everything on RT required to make it happen. What you've been hearing about is a true windows 8 version with metro support, but its still a desktop app instead of a metro app. It just so happens that if you have a desktop app as your default browser it can also be a metro browser as well. Personally I think its dumb that microsoft did this, but anyway that's the deal.
09-23-2013, 09:56 AM #19
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$500 is automatic fail. Personally I don't like tablets. Ignoring that fact, you don't really want desktop apps on a tablet which means that RT is fine. However not everyone agrees and a lot of people want the full windows experience for some reason. The only way it would sell enough is to be pro with either an Intel or AMD chip.
If they could pull it off for $300 or so, I think it could be ok.
- 09-23-2013, 10:39 AM #20
It's $450. However it does appear to have a lot of upgrades. 1080p, 3-4x faster, USB3.0, better camera, thinner, lighter, 25% more battery life, one year of skype premium, and 200gb of skydrive for two years. Oh and the new two-stage kickstand where it lays down flatter for better viewing. Honestly, I use my Surface RT for hours every day from the table, couch, etc. So it's hard for me to argue it's worth less. However at $450 I don't think it will move in the market like they need it to.
- 09-23-2013, 11:32 AM #21
Many people became interested in the RT at $349. Still others were rabidly interested in the factory refurb bundles for $199. Many of my acquaintances are ready to pounce on a $249 refurb bundle (if there's another wave) after checking out the RT bundle that I picked up for $199. They had no idea that the RT was "practically a full Windows PC". For them, running legacy apps was not an issue. For what they currently use their home computers for they could do it all on an RT.
The timing and pricing for the RT 2 is about right. Keeping the RT 1 at $349 will probably help sell the RT 2. All of those improvements for only $100 more? It's a no-brainer. So from that perspective, the RT 1 will help scaffold the RT 2 price.
Plus, there's a full month, month and a half, before the holiday shopping season kicks in. I can see Microsoft offering some Black Friday deals. RT1 Black Friday door-buster for $100 anyone?
The biggest challenge for Microsoft IMO is to get media coverage... encouraging coverage would be nice, but heck even neutral coverage would be better than the distorted coverage of the Surface line up to the point of the RT price drop.
09-23-2013, 12:25 PM #22
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When I heard the rumored $500 price tag, I was thinking that it might have been leaked so that when the real, lower price was announced it would be a welcome surprise. Now seeing the real price is lower, I wonder if that's what happened.
I just got one of the cheap RT bundles, otherwise I would be seriously considering the Surface 2.
09-23-2013, 01:05 PM #23
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i own a surface rt and a surface pro. love'em. the surface rt is under-powered, but i can deal w/ that. the surface pro has poor battery life compared other tablets even though it's more of a laptop than a tablet. still ,i love them both. having said that, my feeling is that surface 2 at $500 (450 plus taxes will makes this about $500 purchase) will fail. will it be $620 or so w/ a keyboard? if you want a memory bump, that's probably another $100 at least.
it's just too much and i'm rather irritated that microsoft didn't learn much from the pricing of the first surface. i think surface 2 should be $400 w/ a touch cover. the bump should be no more that $125. if the margins are too thin w/ that pricing, then maybe focus on gaining a foothold in the market. get the thin into the hands of consumers so more developers will offers more apps. then figure out how to make the tablet profitable or more profitable. surface pro 2 is that same. should be no more than $700 w/ a cover.
maybe i'll be proven wrong. i hope so, because i love the hardware and the software and want to see it grow. i'm upset that microsoft appears intent on killing the platform through poor marketing and pricing.
- 09-23-2013, 02:33 PM #24
The price does seem like a bit much, but only when compared to tablets which have questionable quality and almost no support. It's still a good value compared to iPads if the available apps meet your needs.
I'm glad Microsoft is keeping the Surface a premium product. There is plenty of low-end stuff on the way from Asus and Acer to fill in the bottom.
I still hate that the accessories are so dearly overpriced. There is no excuse for the Touch and Type keyboards to cost more than $50.
09-23-2013, 06:04 PM #25
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having said that, i'll likely move to a surface 2, because i think it's a great product. hopefully microsoft can convince a couple million others.
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