- 01-10-2013, 12:38 PM #1
Is anyone else wondering about the future fate of Windows RT? I personally think it's a fantastic adaptation of Windows and needed to be made. Even if Intel catches up with ARM in terms of battery life, ARM chips will be more powerful. I mean, the Tegra4 already is more powerful that the Clover Tail stuff that Intel is touting for late this year and maintains the same power efficiencies.
Yet, all you see coming out of CES is nothing but Windows 8 harder. Barely a whimper of anything regarding Windows RT devices.
Why does everyone have something against Windows RT? Who cares about running legacy software? Do people ***** and moan when they can't install their Mac OS X applications on their iPad iOS?
As far as I'm concerned, Windows RT is the perfect marriage between full-Windows and a mobile version of Windows. You get the modern UI which apps SHOULD be designed for on a tablet, yet you still have access to your file system and MS Office that might be useful.
So, what's the deal? Will people eventually see the light?
01-10-2013, 01:22 PM #2
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personally. this will live and die by third party support .. I would love to add a USB wifi dongle to my surface .. guess what? no drivers ..
I've also come to the conclusion that it's still half baked and needs to go back into the oven some more - stuff that should just work, doesn't - Bluetooth Streaming - lag-gy Capacitive pen input
some things are really cool and I like - the touch cover - HDMI out .. the core apps are good for the most part -but it still needs polish to be a viable player against IOS/Android IMHO
- 01-10-2013, 01:50 PM #3
I too think that the Windows RT operating system is a very nice deal. I don't get either why people cry about not being able to install legacy software on the system. I've never heard people comment on the fact that and iPad will only run apps yet it seems that people cannot stop being confused about Windows RT not being a computer OS but a tablet OS. Sometimes I wonder if people are stupid or just ignorant. (No offence to anyone but it really shouldn't be such a hot topic).
And at least RT device can have an USB connection, allowing driver less units or USB stick drives to be connected. I've not seen tablets with USB's before so that's even another plus to Microsoft. Other than that you have better file management through the desktop and finally - and this is the best of all - it comes with free Office Home and Student which is just awesome and makes the tablet so much more viable for school and work use.
01-11-2013, 10:53 AM #4
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Well i think microsoft have pushed the envelope on what can be built so i cant see many tablets coming out and beating the hardware any time soon.
The software will only get better i beleive. The more people jump on board the more apps will become available. The desktop mode is incredibly powerful when you consider the remote desktop capabilities and when it comes to updates so far theyve been as regular as full windows 8. Think MS will always be tweaking it and ironing out the kinks theyve put far too much money into the surface to just drop it.
01-11-2013, 02:24 PM #6
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Windows RT is incomplete, thus needing the desktop. To be successful the following should happen
1) Complete Windows RT - everything that can be done on the desktop should be available in 'Metro' such as advanced computer settings etc.
2) Office for RT - Office should be developed with a complete touch interface in mind. The One Note app for 'Metro' is a great start
3) Remove the legacy 'baggage' - Desktop needs to go! Rip it out of the OS including all its dependencies. Windows RT should be a purely 'Metro' experience. This will also reduce its footprint to a much smaller size.
4) Give it away for free! - Don't charge the OEMs for the OS. Microsoft will make the money from the app store
5) Form factors - We need multiple form factors for Windows RT devices, a 7 inch tablet is a must!
6) Lower the price of entry - At the moment the price of entry is too high. We need cheaper tablets
- 01-11-2013, 02:41 PM #7
I think it should have never come with a keyboard. Without it there would be a lot less confusion. Also, no full sized USB port - then no one would want to plug everything in then complain about a lack of drivers. No desktop mode - again, the confusion angle.My next phone...
01-11-2013, 04:00 PM #9
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RT is the future. Even RT on Pro machines. It's just a matter of time.
A few things will be big milestones.
1. MS Office going completely RT
2. A file browser app on RT
3. Nokia jumping in
Why would #3 be big? Because Nokia is one of the few OEMs we know is willing to market the heck out of it. Others are kind of lukewarm.
Companies like Samsung are waiting for companies like Microsoft and Nokia to do all the hard work for them, just like what happened with Android.
- 01-11-2013, 04:12 PM #10
Wife instantly fell in love with the RT, but only problem is, it's for work. And the reason it's a problem is because their website does not work properly on both desktop and metro side of IE10. We know this, because we've been trying really hard to get it to work on our current W8 laptop. She has to use chrome browser (or IE9, claims their IT). RT won't allow installation of other browsers. So we really wanted to get RT, but just can't.
- 01-11-2013, 09:47 PM #14
- 01-11-2013, 09:57 PM #15
2) A version Office that looks and feels different is the last thing I want. I want a comparable experience across platforms and not have to relearn Office, or have to think about it when I jump between a tablet and laptop.
3) Samsung isn't waiting for anyone to do the work for them. They just don't want to compete with their own Galaxy line of tablets which only have borderline acceptable sales (compared to their other products) but do have a market presence.
- 01-11-2013, 10:22 PM #17Sprint (9 1/2 years) - Samsung SPH-A460, Sanyo PM-8200(S), Samsung A900 "Blade" & Samsung SPH-M620 "Upstage" simultaneously (2 lines), Samsung Instinct & Samsung Upstage simultaneously (2 lines), Palm Pre & Palm Pixi simultaneously (2 lines), HTC Evo, HTC Arrive::::Verizon (since March 2012) - iPhone 4s, HP Pre3.....[S]Looking forward to going back[/S] Finally back to Windows Phone with the HTC 8x [S](iPhone 4s as work line, HP Pre3 to play with)[/S]...now on a Nokia Lumia Icon. Love my Gen 1 Surface RT!!
- 01-12-2013, 09:36 AM #20
- 01-12-2013, 10:03 AM #21Sprint (9 1/2 years) - Samsung SPH-A460, Sanyo PM-8200(S), Samsung A900 "Blade" & Samsung SPH-M620 "Upstage" simultaneously (2 lines), Samsung Instinct & Samsung Upstage simultaneously (2 lines), Palm Pre & Palm Pixi simultaneously (2 lines), HTC Evo, HTC Arrive::::Verizon (since March 2012) - iPhone 4s, HP Pre3.....[S]Looking forward to going back[/S] Finally back to Windows Phone with the HTC 8x [S](iPhone 4s as work line, HP Pre3 to play with)[/S]...now on a Nokia Lumia Icon. Love my Gen 1 Surface RT!!
01-12-2013, 11:25 AM #22
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Microsoft just screwed up, they neglected the competition and reason why tablets sell in the first place.
-Insane battery life
-thin and light
- really nice and sharp screens that are superior to using your phone or laptop. Think about it. If I need to do work I'll use my laptop and I wouldn't bother using my tablet if my 720p phone is like so much sharper, in this case, the size advantage of the tablet is completely nullified by the phone sharpness.
They just have the battery life down. Samsung has the thin and light and same with Asus but not letting them go above 1360 x 768 is ******ed.
Honestly, nobody wants a fat low resolution tablet for $499.99 or $599.99 when you can get a 8.9mm thin, 2560 x 1600 resolution, Dual core A15 Nexus 10 for $399.99
01-12-2013, 11:56 AM #23
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RT is a bad concept. They should have scaled WP8 for 7" tablets and utilized full Win8 for 10" tablets. Clover Trail is solid on battery and clock speeds (granted the gpu is weak though). To make RT just for ARM was not well thought out...they ignored priority #1 which is consumer ease of adoption.
- 01-12-2013, 12:08 PM #24
I honestly don't understand the resolution hype - it seems a number that can be assigned to a device where the higher the figure the better reaction from the market. It reminds me of "This is Spinal Tap", where an amp was being touted as better than other amps simply due to the fact that, unlike other amps which have a maximum volume of 10, "this one goes to 11".
I have no problems with the Surface resolution. Photos are clean and crisp, video is amazing looking, text is very readable, etc. Is it the highest resolution? No. But it works just fine - and the processing power, GPU cycles, and battery required to push the extra pixels aren't needed. Some people make it seem like the Surface is a 640x480 monochrome monitor the way they talk about how much better massive resolution displays are.
I think it's similar to FPS - another number where the higher the better. The human eye can only see about 60 frames per second. So a video running at 170fps seems a bit overkill.
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