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    I understand and agree that a Surface RT for $200 was unrealistic, but isn't $500 for the RT (not the pro) without a cover and with only 32GB a bit pricy? To me, it does sound very expensive - especially when you remember that you'd probably want a cover of some kind...

    You can get the black touch cover for $100 or one of the colours for $120. 100 to 120 dollars?! :o And if you like I want a more traditional typing experience you will have to throw $130 at your tablet.

    To sum up, I can personanlly live with 32GB (no way I'm ever going to fill that with apps, documents or pictures anyway), but getting what I need would cost me $629 - why not just buy a laptop then?

    I'm not ranting here, I'm genuinely curious as to why the tablet and especially the touch and type cover are so expensive because I don't really get it. :/

    Links to Microsoft.com:
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    http://surface.microsoftstore.com/st...ESICaching=off
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    Well, it's on the same levels with an iPad with no equivalent of the touchcover. That said, I think all Apple products are overpriced, but I think the Surface is still within limits due to the the amazing high quality physical design, the keyboard/cover solutions and Office 2013.

    Why not buy a laptop? Cos they usually arnt tablets and tablets have their very certain niche to them that laptops often dont fully fill. In addition you'd probably get a much heavier and bigger device that has fans, heats and doesnt have a touch screen.
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    To being competitive with Apple, yes they are too expensive by $100. You may not get the keyboard, but you are getting more processor, screen, and app store with iPad 4.

    I think the Surface's would have had much more demand at a lower price point even if it was competing with it's OEM's. Microsoft needs that initial push to get into the tablet sphere that it's so far behind in.
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    Microsoft created the Surface, to show OEMs how a device should be made. Its a proof of concept, a tech demo.

    Even at this price, several OEMs have been critical of Microsoft making their own hardware.

    Hopefully the surface makes the OEMs raise their game, and create some really nice devices too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kane4fire View Post
    To being competitive with Apple, yes they are too expensive by $100. You may not get the keyboard, but you are getting more processor, screen, and app store with iPad 4.

    I think the Surface's would have had much more demand at a lower price point even if it was competing with it's OEM's. Microsoft needs that initial push to get into the tablet sphere that it's so far behind in.
    Well said and I completely agree.

    I love my surface and didn't mind paying 600 for the tablet and touch cover but we are trying to break into a market that is dominated by Apple so we need to provide consumers with more incentive to jump on board. Let us be honest about the Tegra 3 too. While it has some good to great performance it just cant compete with the Ipad 4 for speed and graphics. So coming out with the Surface for around what the ipad 4 is going for is not going to convince people that are on the fence. If the Surface was priced at 399 for the base model it would put us in a more favorable position and more in line with the new Nexus 10 which also has more power and higher res screen than the surface.

    Office is a great incentive for the RT and does add a TON of value in my opinion but I am just not sure the average tablet consumer is going to see it the same way.

    I hope I am wrong as I am all in with Microsoft. I have my Xbox, Win8 Pro on my laptop, my Titan Windows Phone (soon to be Lumia 920!!) and of course my Surface!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailUK View Post
    Microsoft created the Surface, to show OEMs how a device should be made. Its a proof of concept, a tech demo.

    Even at this price, several OEMs have been critical of Microsoft making their own hardware.

    Hopefully the surface makes the OEMs raise their game, and create some really nice devices too.
    I wouldn't go so far to say that this is a proof of concept, or a tech demo. This is a lot of money to pay for a proof of concept. Make no mistake; this is a production, ready for the world device. Microsoft is all in on it. Same thing with the rumored phone they may make. They aren't going to rely on the Asus's, Acers or the likes to make them a success. I like that they are taking control.

    If I can twist your words a bit, I think MS meant this to be the standard other OEM's should follow. A solid, well built piece of hardware. It is worthy of the 499.00 price tag and competitively priced considering the 32GB iPad is 100 bucks higher.

    I think they should have released a cover similar to the Smart Cover for 40 bucks for people that didn't want the touch/type covers.
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    I don't think it is overpriced one bit.

    A few reasons, first of all, Microsoft has spent a lot resources and money to design the RT (and PRO). They are a business after all and they need to make money.

    Second, this is a first generation device. One should expect to pay out of their nose for it. I guess some people call it early adopter tax.

    I expect pressure from other companies (Asus, Samsung, ...) had something to do with it as well. Imagine if Microsoft priced RT at $400 or $450, it will put price pressure on them.

    Just my $0.02.
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    Honestly it's priced just right. I didn't want Microsoft to set a trend where they immediately slash prices if its not selling mega-millions right off the bat. That's not how your build successful brands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCrimson View Post
    Honestly it's priced just right. I didn't want Microsoft to set a trend where they immediately slash prices if its not selling mega-millions right off the bat. That's not how your build successful brands.
    Exactly. As soon as there is a price cut on any tablet, the blogs start calling it a failure and compare it to the HP TouchPad fire sale.

    No need to drop the price like you said. This isn't a cheap Acer Iconia or anything.
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    Exactly. As soon as there is a price cut on any tablet, the blogs start calling it a failure and compare it to the HP TouchPad fire sale.

    No need to drop the price like you said. This isn't a cheap Acer Iconia or anything.
    That's what people don't get. The only way you build a successful, profitable brand is by:

    1. Make a high quality product
    2. Price it accordingly
    3. Market it well
    4. Don't panic when sales are not spectacular right away
    5. Be patient.

    Cutting prices just signals bargain basement bin time, ala HP TouchPad fire sale. The reason why I don't think Surface tablets will fail in the long run is Microsoft has the cash to produce a 2nd, 3rd generation. Look at Samsung, the kept at it until their Galaxy Phones became fully competitive with the iPhone on a profit-level.

    Remember next year there will be a 2nd Gen Surface RT with 1080p display, better SoC and much better app situation. You just have to keep at it, like a spiral.
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    Why would it be overpriced? I think the iPad is overpriced but that's just my opinion. One person may have a use for the iPad but I sure as **** didn't! I tried it and was done with it after 6 months. Surface to me is in a whole different league the iPad. If I can do more with my product than the best tablet on the market!

    Again it comes to personal use... for me the ability to have folders, have hdmi out, have expandable storage in the sd card.. be able to hook a number of different devices through usb, have a kickstand, and have the option to click in a full keyboard when I want..... is worth far more than all the apps money can buy! ( which I believe if were patient will start showing up as well)
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    this thread is pointless. my pocket and yours are not equal. it could be cheap for james and expensive for john. therefore no correct ans to your thread.
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    It's overpriced because it's too high to gain valuable market share. This isn't price slashing, the price should have been $100 less from the start, and now it's too late.

    For me, this is more worth it than an iPad, but to the majority of the world, it isn't because of the severe lack of apps (and thus usefulness of the device). I would easily give this device a 9/10 if it weren't for the fact that the processor isn't up to snuff.

    Also with V1, you don't pay more cash, you pay for lack of refined user experience and I'm fine with that. This device was made to compete head on with the iPad and I don't think people want to do that. This device should have never been sold without a touch cover just to have a an entry at $400. Most of the device isn't usable without a touch/type cover, so I don't understand why they offered it at all, they should have just made it enter at $400 with the touch cover included. After gaining market and demand, they can do whatever they want with V2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kane4fire View Post
    It's overpriced because it's too high to gain valuable market share. This isn't price slashing, the price should have been $100 less from the start, and now it's too late.[/quore]

    They're not trying to make a big play for market share. They only sell it through Microsoft Stores.

    The Surface is a product that shows what Windows 8 can do on ARM. It's there to set a bar. What kind of example would it set if they had to use cheap parts and shoddy quality in order to bring it to a lower price point?

    For me, this is more worth it than an iPad, but to the majority of the world, it isn't because of the severe lack of apps (and thus usefulness of the device). I would easily give this device a 9/10 if it weren't for the fact that the processor isn't up to snuff.
    Also with V1, you don't pay more cash, you pay for lack of refined user experience and I'm fine with that. This device was made to compete head on with the iPad and I don't think people want to do that. This device should have never been sold without a touch cover just to have a an entry at $400. Most of the device isn't usable without a touch/type cover, so I don't understand why they offered it at all, they should have just made it enter at $400 with the touch cover included. After gaining market and demand, they can do whatever they want with V2.

    Surface isn't a direct iPad competitor. It's also not a direct laptop competitor.

    It's something different. It will find its own niche.

    People think it's a direct iPad competitor just because it comes in a tablet form factor.

    Surface with Microsoft Office is different.

    It's the device you can take with you when you go somewhere, instead of taking two devices.
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    I found it too pricey too, and it gets worse considering the low-res (by modern standards) display and effective storage capacity.

    It's way too overpriced for an underdog.
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    If you're a student and you need something that has REAL MS Word so that you can do your assignments, but you also want to browse the web and play touch based games, what do you do?

    Up until now, you've had to have a laptop + a tablet.

    If you're a business person taking a business trip, and you need MS Office, MS Word, and MS PowerPoint, but you also want to take something that you can kill time with and play touch based games like Fruit Ninja... what do you do?

    Up until now, you've had to have a laptop + a tablet.

    Many people out there have a laptop and a tablet, and making the choice between which to take is a pretty common process for them. Often times, they end up taking BOTH.

    How much is the convenience of Surface worth to you? How much is the price of a laptop + a tablet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy
    Surface isn't a direct iPad competitor. It's also not a direct laptop competitor.

    People think it's a direct iPad competitor just because it comes in a tablet form factor.
    No, Steve Ballmer himself has stated that the Surface is to compete with other tablet offerings and compete with the leading competitor on price point.

    The goal of this device is to show gain tablet market share against the iPad, and also to show OEM's how to not make cheap crap.
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    It's way too overpriced for an underdog.
    That's the best, most accurate thing posted on here. Because of Google, HP, and BB all selling their tablets for $100-250, people have it in their minds that if it isn't an iPad, it's not worth much more than that. HP single handedly ruined it for everyone else.


    As far as being able to use word as a student...lol. You can use Google Doc's to do most tasks that a student could ever want. Same goes for the iPad and buying a separate keyboard. Will it cost more, heck yes. Will it work as well, and you have more games and apps and it all work smoother? Heck yes.
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    Surface isn't for everyone.

    If you'd rather work with Google Docs, have fun with that.

    MS doesn't need to be in a position of fear. They have a great product. It is priced competetively for what it brings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    Surface isn't for everyone.

    If you'd rather work with Google Docs, have fun with that.

    MS doesn't need to be in a position of fear. They have a great product. It is priced competetively for what it brings.
    ^^ This. There is no fear of Apple anymore. The Surface RT is a well built contender. It's not your run of the mill low end Android tablet. To me, this is the first real choice for a tablet other than an iPad. The marketing looks good so far, and most reviews are on the positive side.

    It is for sure not the tablet for everyone; and that's the directions things are going now. Take BlackBerry for example; they know BB 10 is not for everyone, and it's not going to outsell the iPhone, so why even try? They are making a good product designed for the consumer they want to reach.

    Microsoft is on a mission to succeed, and it's obvious that they aren't backing down. Especially with the comments about them making their own phone if needed. They are taking control of their own destiny, and that's never a bad thing in any situation.
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    LOL, no fear of Apple anymore. They sold 3 million iPad's in a weekend, which is just slightly less than what analysts say Microsoft will sell of the Surface by the end of the year.

    Also considering that profit margins for the Surface are greater than the iPad, yes it's definitely too expensive. The Surface comes in at $266 with the touch cover to make, and selling for $600. The iPad 3 came in at $316 and selling for $499. No matter what side of the fence you're on, that huge of a mark-up is what anyone would call "over-priced".
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    Quote Originally Posted by kane4fire View Post
    LOL, no fear of Apple anymore. They sold 3 million iPad's in a weekend, which is just slightly less than what analysts say Microsoft will sell of the Surface by the end of the year.

    Also considering that profit margins for the Surface are greater than the iPad, yes it's definitely too expensive. The Surface comes in at $266 with the touch cover to make, and selling for $600. The iPad 3 came in at $316 and selling for $499. No matter what side of the fence you're on, that huge of a mark-up is what anyone would call "over-priced".
    I still don't think that the value of the touch cover and Office 2013 can be ignored.

    I doesnt matter even if your made up percentage of students manage with google docs, the Office 2013 is still worth a 100$ and you get it with the device. I for one never had any interest in tablets until Surface, simply cos they would've been nothing but consumption devices for me, while I needed productivity too. Sure, there are all kinds of monstrous cases and what not for the iPad and weird transformers with awkward keyboard docks, but neither is what I wanted. For me Surface hit the sweet spot in design solutions, productivity and also being a tablet for entertainment purposes. I didn't even blink paying 600€ for that, cos as it is there are no alternatives that I could really consider buying.

    I must be one of those 0,01% of students you mentioned earlier that do need a full Office, Google docs sadly doesnt have nearly enough configurations for any university essay that requires you to use the "official formating".
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    Quote Originally Posted by kane4fire View Post
    LOL, no fear of Apple anymore. They sold 3 million iPad's in a weekend, which is just slightly less than what analysts say Microsoft will sell of the Surface by the end of the year.

    Also considering that profit margins for the Surface are greater than the iPad, yes it's definitely too expensive. The Surface comes in at $266 with the touch cover to make, and selling for $600. The iPad 3 came in at $316 and selling for $499. No matter what side of the fence you're on, that huge of a mark-up is what anyone would call "over-priced".
    You can't just look at the price of parts when determining the profit margin. They just don't total up the parts, and say "lets sell it for xx amount". Other factors play into price. And the real profit comes from memory. Do you think Apple really pays 100 bucks for an extra 16GB of memory?

    Yeah, no one fears Apple. You don't see trends? How much longer do you see Apple being on top? Who own the smartphone market now, is it Apple with the biggest share? Keep in mind, this isn't a 199.00 Nexus 7. Microsoft is not trying to undercut Apple like competitors do, they are taking them on with a product that's better, not cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreldan View Post
    I must be one of those 0,01% of students you mentioned earlier that do need a full Office, Google docs sadly doesnt have nearly enough configurations for any university essay that requires you to use the "official formating".
    You can do MLA formatting, double/single spacing, etc that Universities require on Google Doc's. You can even do formula's in the spreadsheet. The surface has a limited version of Office that doesn't have the ability to do macro's which I wish it did, but I can adapt.

    I think the touch-pad is truly amazing since they mated it with the surface from concept. That still doesn't make it too expensive for breaking into a market that is completely and utterly dominated by Apple.

    You're getting my motive wrong, I want the Surface to succeed, I don't care about justifying your purchase or mine. I bought it, and love it more than any other tablet I've owned. As useful it is to me, I know it's not useful enough to the majority of people at the price it's being sold. Looking at the margin that MSFT is making, that leaves me only scratching my head as to why they did price it so high because at this point, some sacrifices need to be made. If they were going to have the margin's they did, they should've slapped in a more powerful processor.

    Pricing it lower would've sold more units, which would have driven dev's to populate the store quicker. Then other OEM's could have came in with better devices and actually made some money. I know that x86 devices and apps will be made and sold without problem, but I want stuff for Windows RT.
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