- 11-06-2012, 04:10 PM #26
Again, you don't need to price a tablet lower to compete with Apple. You just need to make a better product that people want. Actually, you just need to make them think they want it, you know, like Apple does :)
11-06-2012, 07:22 PM #28
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This device is emerging into a world where it's not the dominant device, and other than the people who were going to buy it regardless if it was $200 or $1000, that little price difference has made a lot of them hesitate. Especially with the fact that people developed an expectation of the price to be at least $100 less before it launched, and now they feel let down.
Basically, the moral of the story is Balmer shouldn't have said anything regards to the price (didn't he give a range starting at $300?) and just let the speculation keep building the whole time. But since he did, it should've been $100 less.
11-06-2012, 08:41 PM #29
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The fact that Surface isn't sold in big box stores or on Amazon should already tell you that MS isn't trying to outsell Apple with Surface. Availability is limited for a reason.
So quoting Apple's sales numbers font mean much. They're not trying to beat Apple with Surface.
The main product really is Windows 8. Surface is just their way of showing it off.
- 11-07-2012, 02:57 AM #30
I agree on the value of Office. For me, it made the difference. I've never owned a tablet because I never saw the use for one, really. But with Office, I can actually use it for something else than fun and games. I want to use Word to write, not Google Docs or different note taking apps.
The only reason why I am not getting a Surface RT is that it is my last year in school. I don't want to get one now just to use for a couple of months of school. Then rather wait a bit and see if the price drops or what the future of tech brings.
- 11-07-2012, 04:47 AM #32
I do not believe it to be overpriced when you think about the market it is going for. When I look at the iSupply breakdown however it is overpriced in so much as Microsoft make significant margin and could cut $100 off the price and still compete with Apple on margin.
I think this is a strategy though introducing at the higher price and release that margin to gain sales when needed. Currently with the number of regions sold out or out of stock I would suggest the current pricing is spot on.
Also the Xbox 360 has taught them a thing or two about pricing. They have done an excellent job at holding the pricing against what many consider a superior product in the PlayStation and it is the PlayStation that is competing on margin. Now this obviously is not the case with Apple but the recent news that the Tablet market share is eroding with the Kindle/Nook/Nexus releases and what looks like strong sales of the Surface things are not so rosie in the Apple walled garden as they once where.
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- 11-07-2012, 05:54 AM #33
First, that's how apple rolls-go nuts over the first week and trickle off after that. How were the sales of the iPad4 btw? Because that is more of a comparable product.
Second, apple could sell **** on a shingle and there would be people lined up to buy it.
I don't think Apple is worried either, but if you think they haven't taken notice of the surface's sales pace, you're kinda dumb. I doubt the industry on the whole imagined the Microsoft offering to be selling as well as it has.
Last edited by crystal_planet; 11-07-2012 at 06:06 AM.My next phone...
11-07-2012, 06:39 AM #34
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Even I, as a power user, does not want the a Pro. During the "launch" many months ago I thought I did, but I have since realized that I don't. I've been using an iPad, Kindle Fire and Asus Transformer for a while now and since I started doing so the use of my laptop is almost nonexistent, I will pick it up for the odd webpage, document or to transfer photos off my DSLR but that's it. The Surface RT remedies all of this by providing a full web experience, a "proper" office suite and standard USB port. If I need to do any heavier lifting than that I will either RDP into one of my actual computers or mosey my fat *** over to my desk.
While I agree, the price is a little higher than I had anticipated, it's still in the iPad's price range and anyone who is contemplating getting an iPad will, with the right marketing, also check out the Surface RT (or other Windows RT based tablets). Consumers don't know that Ballmer gave a price range, all they know is that it's within their grasp pricewise.
11-08-2012, 08:16 AM #35
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I agree with it being overpriced and think that they should have priced the RT at $499 AND included the keyboard in that price. They could charge the extra $20 for a type cover. I don't believe they should have offered it without. The whole point of the keyboard on the Surface is to bridge the gap between tablet and desktop. It's advertised that way (ads show the keyboard) and I think it would have served them better to make certain that EVERY surface had a keyboard. It truly is impossible to REALLY get the surface experience without one... Essentially $100 overpriced IMO. I returned mine as, at the price point, I expected it to be nearly perfect in execution. Too much lag and bugginess in the 1.0.
I sold my iPad to get a surface so I'm now without a tablet. I'm going to sit on the sidelines and hopefully see SP1 windows 8 soon and a device with just a little more horsepower for a competitive price.
If the rumor mill doesn't contain something by year's end, I'll figure out plan B, but I'm not giving up on the Windows 8 ecosystem yet.
- 11-08-2012, 11:35 PM #36
- The 32gb version is closer to the 16gb iPad when it comes to how much storage can actually be access by the consumer
- The screen resolution really is an issue. I know that many people seem to ignore it or find it less problematic than me. But the fact remains: if you work on a Retina Macbook Pro or switched from an iPad, the pixelation isn't something you're going to want to live with. I sold mine for this sole reason. I loved Windows 8, I found the apps I needed, but reading on it just wasn't nice. It wasn't that bad for all fonts, btw. Somehow, the font-smoothing thing worked better for some fonts than for others. I found the Mail App to be absolutely disgusting, while web pages generally looked great.
Anyway, given the fact that from the 32gb of storage 1/3 is eaten by the OS and that the screen resolution is way too low, I think it's too expensive.
- 11-08-2012, 11:54 PM #38
#2 I agree with you on this one... compared to other resolutions it is low, but this is in a world were we are absolutely obsessed with resolution. Which is fine, but also a little bit much. I have a 42" 720p plasma tv and think it looks great. the surface has a 10.6" display with basically same resolution as my tv. I'm fine with it, as others will be and are.
#3 yeah def... but its store is in better shape than a lot of beginner OS's. Can't really judge this right now on basis of value for money. Give it a few months and if there is no improvement than yeah its a basis for complaint.
- 11-09-2012, 12:05 AM #39
#2: With the difference that you sit 10 feet away from your plasma and keep your Surface at maybe 15 inches. There's no other way of putting it: the 1366x768 res is a shame. It doesn't need to have a 230ppi pixel density - anything above 170 or so looks pretty good. But 145 is not enough.
- 11-09-2012, 01:19 AM #40
It all depends. I have zero complaints about the resolution of the Surface. My main desktop display has less PPI than that. I've never really used iPads for longer than few minutes so I don't have the "better screen" to compare to. I bet I could see the difference if put next to each other, but as it is there's nothing I can complain about on the Surface screen.
- 11-09-2012, 10:14 AM #41