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    I picked up a Asus 11.6 Vivo laptop a few days ago and side by side to the Surface Pro the Asus wins! For one I am not cheap but over $1000 when I spent half of that on the Asus laptop is crazy. You would think Microsoft would hold the price down to drive sales, don't get me wrong its a nice product but for the money and a better typing experience the laptop wins hands down IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heed View Post
    In all seriousness, does anyone know if there's a way to overclock the CPU a bit (like when it's plugged in)? What about a bios or soft clockmod?
    I'm sure these guys will figure it out: Overclockers Forums - The Performance Computing Community .

    Not sure it's such a great idea - wouldn't that be adding quite a bit of heat to the already claustrophobic insides? It's not like you can just rip the back off and attach a giant Zalman heatsink to it or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by o4liberty View Post
    I picked up a Asus 11.6 Vivo laptop a few days ago and side by side to the Surface Pro the Asus wins! For one I am not cheap but over $1000 when I spent half of that on the Asus laptop is crazy. You would think Microsoft would hold the price down to drive sales, don't get me wrong its a nice product but for the money and a better typing experience the laptop wins hands down IMO.
    This one? Amazon.com: ASUS VivoBook X202E-DH31T 11.6-Inch Touch Laptop: Computers & Accessories

    In which case, please let us know what metrics and tests you used to determine the winner.
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    What apps make the surface pro a must have? So far, I have onenote, others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameradork View Post
    This one? Amazon.com: ASUS VivoBook X202E-DH31T 11.6-Inch Touch Laptop: Computers & Accessories

    In which case, please let us know what metrics and tests you used to determine the winner.
    to those that are indifferent to an atom cpu, its a fantastic unit.

    to those that have a need for higher performance demands, well... its just not an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bauerbach View Post
    more battery life is always a good thing, but just a year or 2 ago, we were happy to get maybe 2 hours out of a laptop of this level, at any size, and the world kept spinning.
    I agree 100%. I've never had a laptop with more than 3hrs of battery life, because I require a machine powerful enough for Photoshop & video-editing. So the Surface Pro's battery life is an improvement, for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolqf View Post
    What apps make the surface pro a must have? So far, I have onenote, others?

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    OneNote works fine on a Surface RT which even comes with it and is half the cost of the Pro. You'd get the Pro if you wanted to run full Windows 8 desktop apps like Photoshop or Counter Strike or the software that programs your universal remote that they stopped supporting and will never have a modern-style app for. RT is a consumer tablet that competes with the iPad and Android tablets. The Surface Pro is a Windows 8 laptop computer in a smaller form factor - that's what makes it a must-have for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bauerbach View Post
    to those that are indifferent to an atom cpu, its a fantastic unit.

    to those that have a need for higher performance demands, well... its just not an option.
    Re-read o4liberty's post. I was reacting to the language instead of the intent. The Asus is definitely a better device for o4's needs. Begs the question, though - what is s/he doing in a Surface Pro forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolqf View Post
    What apps make the surface pro a must have? So far, I have onenote, others?

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    Office 2013, SkyDrive app, Adobe CS6 (CSS), Civ V (amazing to play on a touch pc), Portal 2, and most of all - FRUIT NINJA!

    I still can't believe how well CS6 works on this thing with only 4GB of ram. It has to be using a portion of the SSD as additional RAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameradork View Post
    OneNote works fine on a Surface RT which even comes with it and is half the cost of the Pro. You'd get the Pro if you wanted to run full Windows 8 desktop apps like Photoshop or Counter Strike or the software that programs your universal remote that they stopped supporting and will never have a modern-style app for. RT is a consumer tablet that competes with the iPad and Android tablets. The Surface Pro is a Windows 8 laptop computer in a smaller form factor - that's what makes it a must-have for me.
    Don't forget the active digitizer + stylus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinestars1z View Post
    Don't forget the active digitizer + stylus.
    Right - no active digitizer on the RT, but a finger-replacement type of stylus should still work for the type of doodling you'd do on a consumption device like the RT. Unfortunately there's no pressure sensitivity in CS apps yet on the Pro, but that seems to be more of a driver problem between Adobe and MS which I've heard they're working on fixing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameradork View Post
    Right - no active digitizer on the RT, but a finger-replacement type of stylus should still work for the type of doodling you'd do on a consumption device like the RT. Unfortunately there's no pressure sensitivity in CS apps yet on the Pro, but that seems to be more of a driver problem between Adobe and MS which I've heard they're working on fixing.
    Autodesk Sketchbook Pro is amazing with the Surface Pro stylus. Had my colleagues drooling over the Pro because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    So here we have a device that can be used as a full mobile OS as well as a touchscreen tablet. At first glance this should be a slam dunk. After all, nobody else really has anything like this yet. Apple is staying out of this game and continuing to offer MacOS on full laptops and iOS on tablets. Although it does appear now that Ubuntu is trying to get into this game (this is just my personal opinion but: there's a reason that Ubuntu desktop only has around 20 million downloads worldwide. I'll pass.)

    The problem I have with it is that windows 8 Pro tablets are ready for hardware to catch up, but the hardware isn't ready for it Battery technology isn't ready to keep these puppies going for 10+ hours, and chips aren't ready yet either.

    At a $1200-ish price point, you can get a regular laptop that will come with 500GB storage and 8MB RAM and be able to handle pretty much anything you can throw at it. Not so with the Surface Pro. At $600 and below you can get an ARM based tablet that will consume media just fine and last more than twice as long unplugged.

    My opinion on these new x86 tablets is that they cannot perform as powerfully as a full laptop yet they cost just as much, and in many cases more, and they can't last as long unplugged as a tablet.

    Do I think this is a brilliant idea though? Oh Heck yeah! But I need to wait until the CPU's and batteries catch up to this enough to offer at least 300GB storage, 6+MB of RAM, last as long as ARM based tablets unplugged, and have the processing power of regular laptops. Until that happens, I'll be using an actual PC for x86 Windows 8 media creation, and a separate ARM based tablet for portable media consumption.
    Well what did you expect? If we had the technology to make "regular" laptops last as long as a tablet, wouldn't we have seen it already?

    I know what you mean though, it seems like Windows 8 was created for hardware that doesn't exist yet. I think you're waiting for Haswell and the Bay Trail (next gen Atom), and I guess for SSD storage to become cheaper.
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    I'm in the same boat.... Love the idea of the surface pro, but it doesn't have apps for it yet... I actually compare the surface pro to the zenbook touch. The 128gb limit is just too low for me and I have no interest in worrying about hacks to use microsd as additional storage for apps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolqf View Post
    I'm in the same boat.... Love the idea of the surface pro, but it doesn't have apps for it yet... I actually compare the surface pro to the zenbook touch. The 128gb limit is just too low for me and I have no interest in worrying about hacks to use microsd as additional storage for apps.

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    You have over a hundred gigs of apps?

    *edit* I'm wasting too much time in this thread - time to unfollow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameradork View Post
    You have over a hundred gigs of apps?

    *edit* I'm wasting too much time in this thread - time to unfollow.
    Out of the box MS found it prudent to provide less that 100gig available, so I'm not touching that used space. On my PC, I separate drive c for apps and drive d for storage, and yes, my drive c has over 80gigs used.

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    hasn't been an issue for me. I have done 100gb on my desktop, but that includes several games I haven't touched in months and could easily delete and reinstall if I ever wanted.

    That's really what it boiled down to for me. my default config is really just office apps and a few spreadsheet programs that are not that significant.

    It would be pretty interesting to see someone actively use 100gb worth of programs on a regular basis in a 10" laptop. but to each their own, for the fraction of the population that can really claim this as a necessity, the surface is not for them.
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    The battery life will increase when the newer battery-included Type Covers come. I don't think it will ever get past 7 hours for a core i5 Machine. We'll have to wait to Haswell for 9+ hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoledman View Post
    The battery life will increase when the newer battery-included Type Covers come. I don't think it will ever get past 7 hours for a core i5 Machine. We'll have to wait to Haswell for 9+ hours.
    will these particular type covers work on the RT too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoledman View Post
    The battery life will increase when the newer battery-included Type Covers come. I don't think it will ever get past 7 hours for a core i5 Machine. We'll have to wait to Haswell for 9+ hours.
    Are they definitely making these? I have heard rumors but nothing concrete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bauerbach View Post
    hasn't been an issue for me. I have done 100gb on my desktop, but that includes several games I haven't touched in months and could easily delete and reinstall if I ever wanted.

    That's really what it boiled down to for me. my default config is really just office apps and a few spreadsheet programs that are not that significant.

    It would be pretty interesting to see someone actively use 100gb worth of programs on a regular basis in a 10" laptop. but to each their own, for the fraction of the population that can really claim this as a necessity, the surface is not for them.
    I've installed Office 2013, Visual Studio Express, Adobe CS6 (pretty much the entire suite), & a handful of metro apps & games. I still have 60GB free.

    I just don't understand the storage space concerns. No, you can't store your 100GB music collection on it. And if you want to have a lot of full-desktop games (5-10GB each) installed at the same time you could run into problems. But for most users, it shouldn't be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    will these particular type covers work on the RT too?
    Nope, Pro only as the RT doesnt have the extra connectors in its spine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinestars1z View Post
    Well what did you expect? If we had the technology to make "regular" laptops last as long as a tablet, wouldn't we have seen it already?

    I know what you mean though, it seems like Windows 8 was created for hardware that doesn't exist yet. I think you're waiting for Haswell and the Bay Trail (next gen Atom), and I guess for SSD storage to become cheaper.
    Quote Originally Posted by smoledman View Post
    The battery life will increase when the newer battery-included Type Covers come. I don't think it will ever get past 7 hours for a core i5 Machine. We'll have to wait to Haswell for 9+ hours.
    Yep, I'm really looking forward to grabbing one of these babies running on a haswell chip. Once they do, they'll have nailed it :)
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