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    Quote Originally Posted by jlp34876 View Post
    You just said it, they're not pushing it hard!

    Now everybody can stop whining if Nokia is pushing it hard and having exclusive apps.
    I can't say it any better than this

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    @ Ominusovermind: You are talking about many things without putting them clearly

    1. Talking about manufacture on Home soil: Does Apple do it? They are still talking about doing it. Apple phones are designed in California whereas Nokia does most of their R&D in Finland. In fact Damian left Nokia because they moved important functions to Finland and he couldn't relocate. Moreover, this is a global world. And the only way you can sustain is by being cost efficient. Nokia does lot of R&D across 5 continents. In fact they are technology partners for various social causes run by World Bank, IFC in Africa and Asia...

    2. Outsourcing in manufacturing is a common business phenomenon. Every organization sources their products from different suppliers and assemble them. The QA issues of WP8 are not all from Nokia. There are many problems we are listening on the forums common to both Lumias and 8X's. Most of these bugs are to be fixed by MS

    3. Yeah we are waiting for HTC to launch their products too... This summer? Good... But let them fix their Android mess before they get into WP :P I can categorically say that Nokia brought so many of its customers to WP8 because of its adoption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    Pushing their new phones, not doing anything for WP8 as a whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    That's a nice way of saying they're willing to abandon home soil so they can hire cheap labour. American car companies do this too but they still keep their American plants. If they didn't there'd be an uproar, and people would stop "buying American". Do Nokia deserve any less? I personally wouldn't trust a company that operates that way with my business, and I'm not Finnish.
    Which cell phone company doesn't use this labor? Please tell me so I can take the moral high ground like you seem to be doing and buy from them.

    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    I guess I better not tell you that HTC has higher spec phones on the way for wp8 in a couple months then.... :p
    Along with Nokia. There is the MWC dude…


    Please tell me what HTC has done for the platform.
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    An equally valid opinion. I bet you are lying on the freezing issue though😉
    my phonedoesnt freeze, it only gets really hot when I play games
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdubmu View Post
    my phonedoesnt freeze, it only gets really hot when I play games
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    My HTC 8X also gets really hot when I play games.
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    Nokia doesn't intercept apps that were being made for everyone and stop them from going to HTC and Samsung. They pay developers to hurry and make a WP app, and after an exclusivity phase that they deserve to get some advantage from their investment, they release it to everyone. The time it would have taken the app developer to make the app without Nokia's intervention could be a year or two, or they might never have done it. So even if you don't get the app when the Lumia users do, you are still getting it sooner, all thanks to Nokia to whom you didn't pay a cent. You should be grateful, not angry. It's like being angry at your friend who freely gives you his used Xbox games after he beats them, because he got to play them first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniffs View Post
    I'm getting annoyed by the fact that when apps are coming out for WP, they are timed Nokia exclusives. This isn't making me want to leave my 8X for a Lumia.. it's making me want to leave the entire platform.

    Nokia needs to stop buying exclusives, it's getting annoying and it's hurting the platform in general. Exclusives for an entire platform is one thing (360/Ps3), but exclusive apps between phone manufacturers is just out of control.

    The last thing WP needs are apps being held hostage by dumb crap like this..
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    If some of these posts are any indication some Nokia owners are starting to sound like Samsung Android owners, and I don't mean that in a good way :p
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    I'm not annoyed at all...though that's probably because I have an 820 and not an 8x.

    The difference is, unlike HTC, Nokia's bet everything they have on WP8 - there *is* no plan B. So they need to do everything they possibly could to make sure Lumia phones sell. Exclusive apps are a big part of that strategy if this thread is any proof, it seems to be working.

    HTC on the other hand (much like Samsung) already have a ton of great Android phones, and their flagships are selling pretty nicely. They have a couple of WP8 phones probably just to see how that thing works out, so from a purely strategic point of view they probably don't have much to justify a huge investment into WP exclusive deals.

    It's kind of a vicious circle because if they *did* invest into WP, they could probably better its market share, which in turn could encourage them to go further (and maybe even rope in other manufacturers like Sony who make great phones but only with Android)

    But to blame Nokia I think is wrong, because this isn't their fault..
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    I'm not sure why a couple of people keep saying HTC didn't "invest" in WP8. Why, because they aren't going out of their way to create HTC-only proprietary apps but were still willing to get on board and make a couple of very nice phones that's not good enough for some of you? Heck, the CEO even stated in interviews that they will continue to support WP8 after the 8x. Announcing a 2013 lineup that will have even better specs and who knows what else isn't good enough either I suppose? How about you hire and delegate a large team of engineers like they did and build one then if that's the case. What a colossal sense of entitlement.

    Luckily I'm realistic enough to know that you 2-3 people in this thread who feel that way represent 0.00000001% of WP8 users and an even smaller proportion of smartphone users.
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    whats good for nokia is not good for WP in general
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    I'm not sure why a couple of people keep saying HTC didn't "invest" in WP8. Why, because they aren't going out of their way to create HTC-only proprietary apps but were still willing to get on board and make a couple of very nice phones that's not good enough for some of you? Heck, the CEO even stated in interviews that they will continue to support WP8 after the 8x. Announcing a 2013 lineup that will have even better specs and who knows what else isn't good enough either I suppose? How about you hire and delegate a large team of engineers like they did and build one then if that's the case. What a colossal sense of entitlement.

    Luckily I'm realistic enough to know that you 2-3 people in this thread who feel that way represent 0.00000001% of WP8 users and an even smaller proportion of smartphone users.
    No. You're not realistic. You're delusional. Probably 0.0000001% of WP8 users feel the way you do. Compared to HTC's Android offerings, HTC's WP8 phones are clearly sub-par. You couldn't call 8X even a mid-range phone. I haven't seen HTC bringing much to wp8 software-wise, HW-wise or design-wise. All they tried to do is to piggy-back the WP8 train with as little effort as possible, and count on WP8 momentum and MS's advertising efforts.
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    As a Lumia owner, of course, no.

    I actually wanted an HTC 8S, but I eventually sided with Nokia because of its Nokia Music service. It is not our fault that HTC and Samsung don't really care about making the post sales experience pleasanter. I still think HTC products look great, but I also need utility on a windows phone. Eventually settle with a 820. The 820 has its problems, but I am loving it in spite of that :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DalekSnare View Post
    Nokia doesn't intercept apps that were being made for everyone and stop them from going to HTC and Samsung. They pay developers to hurry and make a WP app, and after an exclusivity phase that they deserve to get some advantage from their investment, they release it to everyone. The time it would have taken the app developer to make the app without Nokia's intervention could be a year or two, or they might never have done it. So even if you don't get the app when the Lumia users do, you are still getting it sooner, all thanks to Nokia to whom you didn't pay a cent. You should be grateful, not angry. It's like being angry at your friend who freely gives you his used Xbox games after he beats them, because he got to play them first.
    Best argument I have read so far. I agree with you completely. Just a weeks ago, Mirrors Edge lost its exclusivity. I am sure if not for Nokia's efforts EA would not have bothered with windows phone at all!
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    Nokia is not liked by all. This exclusive crap is not helping WP. That means that there are less sales for WP. You have no idea how many times I was told that holding a Nokia product in your hand is like holding some cheap Ikea product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by busngabb View Post
    Not so far, other than with Nokia Drive, which has now moved out of exclusivity. The apps and games that are exclusives now are largely not of sufficient standard to warrant any jealousy, although it does make me wonder why HTC are not doing anything, even releasing their existing apps for Windows phone 8.

    The Lumias themselves are enough to put me off them. The 920 is the worst Windows Phone 8 device there is. The phone is too big and too heavy and the device is so unstable compared to the 8X. We've got three at work and the Mrs has one at home and they freeze all the time, even with the latest updates. I've, touch wood, never had the 8X freeze on me.

    I just hope HTC continue to support Windows phone as I can't see myself buying a Nokia unless they improve a lot.
    You made me laugh at the same time making yourselves feel better. Good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    If some of these posts are any indication some Nokia owners are starting to sound like Samsung Android owners, and I don't mean that in a good way :p
    Then what does it make the HTC owners sound like? I'm sure you'll find a good way to put it.
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    They sound the same as their HTC android cousins complaining lol.
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    Then what does it make the HTC owners sound like? I'm sure you'll find a good way to put it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    Nokia needs WP8. So making light of others being upset is pretty foolish unless you enjoy seeing the platform sit at 2% market share. You let me know how well those exclusive apps are working out for ya when people get peeved and move to another OS, Einstein.

    Smh
    Correction, windows phone needs Nokia. Without Nokia windows phone is dead. It would have been dead in 2012,and it would be dead now. And consider this, Nokia owns 8-% of the windows pie, and from that another 80% only are nokia fans and not wp fans. If nokia leaves, those people will leave too and never look back. Then you can tell me what htc and samsung will do. Will they continue to invest in the platform, or abandon it completely?

    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    That's a nice way of saying they're willing to abandon home soil so they can hire cheap labour. American car companies do this too but they still keep their American plants. If they didn't there'd be an uproar, and people would stop "buying American". Do Nokia deserve any less? I personally wouldn't trust a company that operates that way with my business, and I'm not Finnish.
    Nokia closed it's favtories because it didn't make sense to have parts built in china, then shipped to europe for asembly, then ship them again to the rest of the world. Nobody does this anymore, everybody moved to China for this reason. The suply cahins are perfect there, the chines are fast to adapt to whatever demand because of their infrastructure they built. And another thing, China is a big source of rare minerals used for smartphone and electronic parts in general. And they passed a law some time ago, that made it either illegal or very expensive to export them. So everybody needs to go there for manufacturing.

    And don't compare it to the car industry. They are completely different things

    By the way, as a Nokia fan, i only came to wp because of them. I'm not a linux fanatic and don't blame them for sacking meego, but still you need to consider that the only reason wp has the market share that it has today and 150.000 apps in the marketplace are simply because of nokia presence. And right now the moaners are in minority. All the other oems only master a 20% piece of the pie. And from those probably only a quarter are concerned about the exclusivity, and even less are butthurt like you.

    One humble advice that i can give you , is that if you are so concerned about exclusives, you should take some money out of your own pocket and give to those developers to bring their apps to wp. Otherwise( again i'm telling you humbly) shut up and get a life.

    Nokia contribution to the platform- full line up of phones to cover every price point.
    -release follow ups to those phones
    - work with microsoft to lower the hardware requirements on the os
    -work to bring their software expertise in general to the platform(language support, optimization,features)
    -work in the camera department developing the barebones(probably even the lens feature) - said by bellfiore in june last year at the wp8 presentation
    -give their mapping data to the entire platform.even if microsoft pays for a license, you dont see the other oems license their stuff
    -give some of their apps like nokia maps and drive for free to the other oems, and who knows what they will give in the future
    -release quality hardware for the platform, true flagships and original devices. the lumia 920 with ois,supersensitive screen,wireless charging is the only reason why you see windows phone being compared to the other flagships form android. and now they will bring the full pureview and who knows what else
    -make accessories for their phones(unlike the other oems who only make accessories for their android offereings)
    -gives money and works together with developers to port their games to the platform. limited exclusives for them for a couple of months, then the whole platform can use them for free because of their work
    -in the first year with htc, dell, samsung, lg, acer, fujitsu and zte the marketplace only reached 10.000 apps. Nokia then joined, but lg abandoned the platform along with fujitsu,acer and lg. Despite this in the year since nokia joined, the press started to give windows phone more chances of surviving, developers gave more attention to the platform and that resulted in another 100.000 apps. That was all because of nokia.

    Now besides releasing uninspiring hardware with no special features or functions, what do the other oems have brought to the platform? With what are they contributing exactly? I'm just curious and eager to be educated on the matter
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    /SHAKES HEAD

    You all have beat this poor dead horse into nothing but a pile of dust! Funny as I've also noticed an increase in the number of really old posts brought back up to the front. You haters must be getting real desperate for new *****ing material.
    Support your third-party developers. There just about all we have...
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    I've had my 920 since launch day & the only time it has frozen on me was the day, two weeks ago, that I dropped it 6 feet onto a tile floor. It froze for a while but I haven't had any problems since.
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    I'm on board with sniffs and nbktonic (posts #1 and #6); manufacturer exclusive apps are not good for the ecosystem as a whole.

    There's a lot of love for Nokia on this forum. I've seen several reasons backing up Nokia's stance: Nokia is doing it to promote their brand, Nokia is offering customers support beyond day-one purchase, other manufacturers are not supporting Windows as much, Nokia's funding is bringing some apps to WP sooner than independent developers could, Nokia is seemingly doing more for the WP app store than Microsoft itself, etc. All of these are strong, valid arguments. HOWEVER, the over-looked issue at play is that it is creating a fragmented experience that weakens the overall WP experience. EauRouge said it best:

    Quote Originally Posted by EauRouge View Post
    whats good for nokia is not good for WP in general
    Nokia's exclusivities are creating a two-tiered app store that inhibits WP from growing as a cohesive brand. Would I be buying a Lumia-phone, or a Windows phone? You don't see other manufactureres doing this. Apple would never offer iPhone 5 exclusive apps (beyond a technical requirement from the phone); you don't hear Samsung-only apps on the Google Play store; even BlackBerry says "if the phone can run it, you can have the app". As a company, Nokia may well live-or-die based on WP taking off. Especially considering the shrinking market share available after iOS/Android, WP needs more to create customer/brand-awareness, and a failing BlackBerry standpoint won't be enough for WP to carve out market share. As it is, WP is barely recognized in my neck of the woods, and Nokia-exclusive apps do little to promote WP. (Full Disclosure: I am a recent Samsung ATIV S purchaser who lives in BlackBerry's back yard (Waterloo, ON, Can.))
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    Pretty long rant for someone accusing me of being the one who is... what was the word you used? "butthurt"? m-hm.
    thanks for your contribution


    Uninspiring hardware. oh my sides. I think light leakages, screen dust, volume button and headphone jack among other common reports are pretty uninspiring now that you mention it. Oh dear.

    Quote Originally Posted by pnhd View Post
    Correction, windows phone needs Nokia. Without Nokia windows phone is dead. It would have been dead in 2012,and it would be dead now. And consider this, Nokia owns 8-% of the windows pie, and from that another 80% only are nokia fans and not wp fans. If nokia leaves, those people will leave too and never look back. Then you can tell me what htc and samsung will do. Will they continue to invest in the platform, or abandon it completely?



    Nokia closed it's favtories because it didn't make sense to have parts built in china, then shipped to europe for asembly, then ship them again to the rest of the world. Nobody does this anymore, everybody moved to China for this reason. The suply cahins are perfect there, the chines are fast to adapt to whatever demand because of their infrastructure they built. And another thing, China is a big source of rare minerals used for smartphone and electronic parts in general. And they passed a law some time ago, that made it either illegal or very expensive to export them. So everybody needs to go there for manufacturing.

    And don't compare it to the car industry. They are completely different things

    By the way, as a Nokia fan, i only came to wp because of them. I'm not a linux fanatic and don't blame them for sacking meego, but still you need to consider that the only reason wp has the market share that it has today and 150.000 apps in the marketplace are simply because of nokia presence. And right now the moaners are in minority. All the other oems only master a 20% piece of the pie. And from those probably only a quarter are concerned about the exclusivity, and even less are butthurt like you.

    One humble advice that i can give you , is that if you are so concerned about exclusives, you should take some money out of your own pocket and give to those developers to bring their apps to wp. Otherwise( again i'm telling you humbly) shut up and get a life.

    Nokia contribution to the platform- full line up of phones to cover every price point.
    -release follow ups to those phones
    - work with microsoft to lower the hardware requirements on the os
    -work to bring their software expertise in general to the platform(language support, optimization,features)
    -work in the camera department developing the barebones(probably even the lens feature) - said by bellfiore in june last year at the wp8 presentation
    -give their mapping data to the entire platform.even if microsoft pays for a license, you dont see the other oems license their stuff
    -give some of their apps like nokia maps and drive for free to the other oems, and who knows what they will give in the future
    -release quality hardware for the platform, true flagships and original devices. the lumia 920 with ois,supersensitive screen,wireless charging is the only reason why you see windows phone being compared to the other flagships form android. and now they will bring the full pureview and who knows what else
    -make accessories for their phones(unlike the other oems who only make accessories for their android offereings)
    -gives money and works together with developers to port their games to the platform. limited exclusives for them for a couple of months, then the whole platform can use them for free because of their work
    -in the first year with htc, dell, samsung, lg, acer, fujitsu and zte the marketplace only reached 10.000 apps. Nokia then joined, but lg abandoned the platform along with fujitsu,acer and lg. Despite this in the year since nokia joined, the press started to give windows phone more chances of surviving, developers gave more attention to the platform and that resulted in another 100.000 apps. That was all because of nokia.

    Now besides releasing uninspiring hardware with no special features or functions, what do the other oems have brought to the platform? With what are they contributing exactly? I'm just curious and eager to be educated on the matter
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    Simple question for all those who think Nokia exclusives are "bad' for WP. If not them, who? HTC, Samsung have shown no interest in pushing the platform forward and Microsoft, the platform developer are themselves struggling to get their internal divisions to prioritise WP and release software for it. So who is going to bring these apps to WP, promote WP with developer events at trade shows like MWC (hint, Nokia has a developer day planned, do HTC or Samsung?), blog constantly about WP (Nokia Conversations), hold contests for users and devs, basically throw WP in the face of the world every chance they get? Please tell us who will be the one pushing WP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post


    Uninspiring hardware. oh my sides. I think light leakages, screen dust, volume button and headphone jack among other common reports are pretty uninspiring now that you mention it. Oh dear.
    It's not a rant, it's a detailed explanation . And i agree with you unfortunately with those quality issues. I don't uderstand why htc delivered the 8x with raised glass corners, bigger space between the glass and the plastic body that lets dust gather. Cheap plastic body that gets decolored very easily, just like the white one x, slim volume and camera buttons that aren't quite as comfortable to use as the ones on the 920. The only explanation i got is that while nokia worked on the design language and building technologies for the lumia for 2 years before the n9 came out, htc skipped directly to the ''inspiring'' part and missed on the part where craftmanship matters when you build phones with polycarbonate bodies that blend with the glass seamlessly

    Simple question for all those who think Nokia exclusives are "bad' for WP. If not them, who? HTC, Samsung have shown no interest in pushing the platform forward and Microsoft, the platform developer are themselves struggling to get their internal divisions to prioritise WP and release software for it. So who is going to bring these apps to WP, promote WP with developer events at trade shows like MWC (hint, Nokia has a developer day planned, do HTC or Samsung?), blog constantly about WP (Nokia Conversations), hold contests for users and devs, basically throw WP in the face of the world every chance they get? Please tell us who will be the one pushing WP?
    Do you really think you will get an answer? There's not time for that. Moaning is a full-time job
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