11-15-2012, 12:20 PM #26
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- 11-15-2012, 12:21 PM #27
Maybe HTC could have done something to help this a long, but this is the same story with Verizon every time. HTC Thunderbolt delayed, Droid Bionic delayed, Galaxy Nexus delayed. This is the same thing I have been dealing with for years and it is Verizon every time. This is ridiculous that they botched another launch. It is really frustrating and despite their great LTE network, I am just about ready to leave Verizon in March. Verizon's decision making and silly games are precisely the reason the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. They botched Windows Phone before, and they are botching it again. I really can't stand it.
11-15-2012, 12:37 PM #29
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First to release super powerful A15 chip sets or chip sets in general
Super efficient manufacturing processes with great yields like their 32nm high k metal gate process for mobile devices.
Highest resolution 10 inch display. One AMOLED and one IPS LCD(the one in the Nexus 10)
A lot of stuff like this. At least twice a year
Samsung's new storage chip will bring thinner, faster smartphones | News | TechRadar
Super thin phones(something Nokia and HTC struggle to do with good battery life, although the HTC One X is okay at 8.9mm)
Great optics with APS-C sensors. They make some pretty advanced focal length lenses for their mirrorless cameras. Sony NEX lenses are not nearly as sharp or compact. Sony has way better sensors though so that evens it out or puts them slightly ahead.
Heck, they even made tanks at one point.
11-15-2012, 01:06 PM #31
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my point was really just a lot of people are scared to start investing in a new platform and risk it going down the drain when they could just choose from ios or android but microsoft has really made the core os so functional it differentiates itself and makes it worth it at least in my opionion especially when you toss on bonuses of office its a big plus for me the only draw back is no file system access that is really disappointing
- 11-15-2012, 01:35 PM #32
With regards to the Nexus 4, AT&T and Verizon use different frequencies for their LTE and most of Europe doesn't even have it yet. They did the smartest thing they could and produced a quality handset at a VERY attractive price that will run on the vast majority of networks. While Verizon may be the largest carrier in the United States, and yes it's disappointing that we'll likely never see the Nexus 4 on it, the rest of the world has a much larger number of subscribers.
Go ahead and leave Verizon if you want to, nobody's stopping you. As long as the company you go to has reliable service in your area, you can get exactly what you want.
- 11-15-2012, 01:49 PM #33
Tomatoes11 suggested being first to market with an A15 core is a result of Samsung's R&D efforts, but I disagree (I would credit ARM technologies instead). However, I would say their Exynos SoCs represent an in-house engineering and development effort worth mentioning. Their SoC's are usually better than the competitions. Somewhat more research related is Samsung's semiconductor manufacturing capability, particularly the improvement of process technology. Samsung isn't the only player in that field, but they are doing very well. They are currently the second largest semiconductor manufacturer in the world (after Intel). I believe they are also the leading developer of NAND chips (used in flash memory and SSD's).
They also invented things like the transparent LCD.
I'll concede that Samsung's research efforts are more about evolving technology than revolutionizing it, but just developing the technology required to produce everything they make necessitates a larger research budget than most other companies have in total.
- 11-15-2012, 02:07 PM #34
Too bad they passed ATT up on this round of WP8 devices. They still have the ATIV S on their site. Is that thing even coming out? Not the Odyssey.
11-15-2012, 02:25 PM #35
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8X owner here.
I agree with the point a few of you have made - it is a gorgeous phone. It isn't top spec but all the quad core in my One X did was make ithot and drain the battery - they aren't reeally needed until people right apps to take advantageof them.
What is really getting my proverbial goat is WP8 - I love it and hate it at the same time in a way. It is fluid, well thought out, and integrates web services nicely....
... apart form Skype that is a preview. And Nokia Drive which was coming to all phones - no wait, just the maps. Then there are the random reboots, the email bugs and so forth.
MS, not HTC, are going to need to acknowledge the problems and announce their plans to deal with them rather than just saying "wait, it'll come". HTC did a fine job with the 8X, and I want to love it I really do, but time will tell if the OS doesn't just evolve too slowly.
11-15-2012, 02:36 PM #36The main faults for the 8x, not enough storage, not en expandable storage slot, and no removable battery
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It might not be a big hit in America but over here in the UK etc its selling out its a lot cheaper than the Lumia and its widely available.
I don't see where the ball has been dropped ?
+It has probably the best audio of any WP device maybe of most phones out at the moment.
+It has a camera which is around the best camera's on any mainstream device at the moment.
+Best FFC on any phone.
+It has one of the best screens and certainly the highest screen in terms of PPI (not including the new 1080p phones).
+It has one of the best designs I have ever seen.
+It has fantastic signal & call quality.
The only area I think HTC could have done better is battery but then the Lumia 920 doesn't seem to do any better so its probably more a WP8 issue at the moment.
- 11-15-2012, 02:50 PM #37
I just got my black 8x this morning and I have to say I am amazed. Build quality, sound and call quality alongside overall looks. I do not think by any means HTC dropped the ball. I have to say my friend brought over his l920 and I was jealous until... My 8x came in. I was pretty bummed I could not get the 920 on Verizon, but after testing out the both of them I surprisingly prefer the 8x. That being said, 920 does have better built in apps and better camera (slightly) in our comparison photos, but if both were made available to me on Verizon I would still go with the 8x. Black slick case with stand, high contrast mode look like Darth Vader had a love child with a Ferrari.
- 11-15-2012, 02:51 PM #38
The 8X has its place in the market. It certainly has a few unique selling points (particularly its design). It will find enough buyers to make HTC's efforts worthwhile.
Long term however, I don't see a lot of good things coming HTC's way.
All the big players (Apple, Microsoft, Nokia) will squeeze whatever licensing royalties they can out of HTC, further eroding HTC's ever shrinking margins.
HTC also lacks the ability to negotiate better deals with their suppliers like Apple or Nokia can, which puts even more pressure on their margins. When it comes to supply chain management Samsung is the undisputed leader, as they can source almost every single component in-house. This issue is already seriously hurting HTC's margins and it will get worse going forward.
Smartphone hardware will get increasingly commoditized. At some point competition will mainly come down to price. I don't see how HTC can compete once the industry reaches that point. They just aren't set up as a company to survive in that type of environment, and I expect them to fade into obscurity around then. Apple will also be in for a world of hurt (for Apple it's a "the higher they climb the harder they fall" kind of thing).
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- 11-15-2012, 02:55 PM #39
- 11-15-2012, 03:06 PM #42
I think my initial thoughts about 8x being looked over probably stems from the lack of airplay that wpcentral is giving it. It would seem that everywhere I turned, the 920, 820, and 822 was being mentioned. I'm glad that you guys enjoy your 8x phones.
a5cent you seem to have some pretty good insight to the direction of HTC, but do you really think they will fall into obscurity like that? I don't think a company like HTC will fall of the map like that though.
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- 11-15-2012, 03:20 PM #45
- 11-15-2012, 05:05 PM #47
The fact that HTC is big doesn't protect them from failure. In fact, many companies that were much larger than HTC just a decade ago have become almost irrelevant or disappeared completely since then (Eastman Kodak, Sun Microsystems, Yahoo and many more).
Even if size did protect HTC from failure, it wouldn't be of much help as HTC is actually rather small. With a market capitalization of only $7 billion, HTC is still worth $3 billion less than Nokia... even though Nokia's stock value was pummeled and shriveled to almost nothing during the last two years (a twentieth of what they once were). Both HTC and Nokia are tiny compared to the towering giants Samsung and Apple.
HTC has been in steady decline for a long time now, but as far as I can tell, HTC still doesn't have any turnaround strategy. They've traditionally attempted to compete on specs and that is what they continue to do. They continue to release new devices and hope one of them becomes a hit. Unfortunately, that approach hasn't served them well as of late (they have no chance of out-marketing Apple or Samsung), and the time in which competing primarily on hardware specs has any chance of working is coming to an end. Smartphone commoditization is approaching fast. Anyone can buy the same parts HTC does and assemble them... most manufacturers can get the same parts cheaper than HTC can... you tell me what HTC's sales proposition might be at that point, when competition starts to revolve mainly around price. What will it be?
I'm not predicting HTC will disappear completely, but if they don't drastically shift strategies soon I doubt they will be relevant five years from now.
Of course, none of that has anything to do with the 8X which remains a good device regardless.
- 11-16-2012, 01:26 AM #48
11-16-2012, 02:05 AM #49
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For me the 8X was disqualified since they:
- HTC, like Apple, didn't care to include proper support for LTE (meaning they support too few frequencies so it cannot be used in Sweden)
- The camera performs worse in low light conditions, if I ever take a picture 9 out of 10 will be at a restaurant with friends/family or outside somewhere (but since I work during the day it will be evening when that happen)
Then there were the benefit of the Nokia Maps/Nokia Drive. The one thing that the 8X had going for it was the amplifier, but since I heard nothing about the DACs in any of the units I suspect they are both built in with the Snapdragon S4 which means crap, so the amp won't add much.
- 11-16-2012, 02:57 AM #50
Personally I was all about the 8X when I first started to decide what WP8 on Verizon to get. The 822? What that inferior phone? I thought. I just blindly went with 8X love for a few days and then I decided to check out the 822 specs.
The screen has less ppi and is AMOLED. I am more a fan of LCD2 than AMOLED so I am still thinking 8X.
Then I noticed the battery is the same size (1800mAh) and I thought well, AMOLED and less ppi means it will use less juce to run the screen so now I am thinking thats a point for the 822.
I went on to check out processor, ram, wireless charging... etc. and they were identical. Both have the same processor and ram. So that was a tie.
Then I dug deeper and found that the 822 had expandable memory and of course gets Nokia apps. Now I am starting to lean 822.
Then I look at pictures of the phone. The 822 looks ugly and the 8X looks sexy! Also the 8X has a larger HD resolution!. Back leaning towards the 8X.
Then I starting thinking about what was more practical and the 822 just wins this category.
Now that I have an 822 in my hand, the pictures do NOT do it justice, its a very solid, good looking phone - even the branding isnt as ugly as it looks in pictures. Completely happy with my choice. I don't think I will miss out on the 8X.