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  1. futurix's Avatar
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    It's a flagship because HTC and Microsoft said so. Nuff said.
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    Anyone calling the HTC 8x a "flagship" is misusing the title. The 8x is a very good phone that will be perfect for many users, plus it has a style that uniquely suits Windows Phone.

    That being said, does anyone thing HTC is done for this round. No doubt HTC will be coming out with a more feature packed phone in the next few months. That is something we can all be happy about.

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    Agree.

    8X is good but not flagship good. If this is the best, the cream of the crop and top of the line product for HTC then they should be ashamed (16GB is really too small).

    It is a common marketing strategy (or could be technical) to release a less featured "good enough" product to make way for a more featured or better product later. The way Apple always does. People line up to buy ipad mini now, and then they stupidly line up again to buy ipad mini with retina display later on. Apple wins. More sales.

    I truly believe HTC is working on a higher end product, in line with their OneX+.
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    You're right, you will get flamed for this, but it is not undeserving.

    I don't understand what you mean by saying it's not a flagship phone. At the current moment, at this release it is the flagship phone, along with the 920. It's silly to think that just because it doesn't have what you desire in a smartphone that it can't be a flagship device. Honestly, very few people want a 5" screen on their device, one of the biggest reasons that I believe that iPhones sell more than any other device on the market. Bigger is not always better, 4 cores doesn't help anything, either. If you'd do your homework you'd realize that only apps programmed to work with 4 cores can make any use out of them, otherwise you just end up using more power for nothing. The difference between a 2 core cpu on a phone and a 4 core cpu is so negligible it isn't even recognizable by humans, we're talking nanoseconds of difference.

    So sure there might be a "better" phone coming in 2013, but I'd like to remark that that phone likely won't see the light of day until at least summer. If you keep comparing phones to phones that do not exist on the market today people will begin to think of your arguments as though you were arguing, "the iPhone 5 isn't a flagship phone because there is another one coming out next year that will have a better processor and more cores and maybe a bigger screen!" when the fact of the matter is, more phones will come out every year and last year's flagship will get trumped every year so... thanks for the vapid argument :)
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    We are not talking about a next generation phone, as with an iPhone 6 or a Galaxy S4. HTC was rumored to be working on three WP8 phones, but has only introduced the mid and low end models. The high end phone is apparently delayed.

    What we are expecting to see is something comparable to the Titan 2 and the One X with 32GB and/or MicroSD and a 4.6 in screen. We expect it by early next year and that it won't replace a current model.

    I consider the Lumia 920 and the Ativ S models to be flagships for their respective manufacturers. HTC still has theirs under wraps. Buyers who like that kind of phone may want to wait.

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    Excuse me: 8X has a gyro. I have a level app and it works. As to the display... it is absolutely stunning in detail and colors. There is a 32Gb version also, but it is either not available yet or only in some markets. HTC has designed a fine phone and it is ergonomic... Well thought out. Good grip, does not slide in your hand, power button on top avoids accidental ons. We can argue that the Lumia 920 has some great features, but it lacks where the 8X shines.
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    I disagree.

    On the scale of WP8 devices, the 8X is a flagship phone. It's got mostly equivalent specs to the top of the line phone on this platform. I say, as of right now, HD resolution, 16-32 GB and 1 GB of RAM, good camera and other extras is about as flagship as it gets for us.

    There are no quad core WP8 phones yet and even if there were, we have a library of apps written mostly for single core phones, so a quad core would do little for performance if anything.

    5" phone screens are just ridiculous, so to make that the standard is asinine. Resolution is what matters. You can have all the 4.8-5" 1280x720 screens you want. I'll stick with my 4.5" 1280x768 screen, thanks. Until they make a significantly higher res 4.8"-5" screen all you're getting is more glass and bigger pixels and phones that are getting increasingly uncomfortable to carry in the pocket of your favorite shorts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypetrak View Post
    Why is it so hard to accept that the 920 is better than the 8x? It doesn't matter if it is just a little better - it is better.
    I agree but the specs are so close that if you're going to call the 920 a flagship then the 8X is too IMO. They are in the same class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolknight1968 View Post
    Excuse me: 8X has a gyro. I have a level app and it works. As to the display... it is absolutely stunning in detail and colors. There is a 32Gb version also, but it is either not available yet or only in some markets. HTC has designed a fine phone and it is ergonomic... Well thought out. Good grip, does not slide in your hand, power button on top avoids accidental ons. We can argue that the Lumia 920 has some great features, but it lacks where the 8X shines.
    You do not need a gyro for a level app to work. MS has an API that emulates a gyro using the accelerometer and compass, though it is not as accurate as a true gyro.

    The reason it is stated that the HTC has no gyro is because:
    -HTC's specs for the device indicates a lack of a gyro
    -Windows Phone diagnostics run on the HTC 8X indicate a lack of a gyro
    -Therefore, these two things combined logically dictate a lack of gyro.

    Regarding the 32GB version, I do not believe that exists. According to the HTC specs I have seen, the HTC 8X is actually 8gb or 16gb. I have no heard of a 32gb variant - that territory belongs to the HTC Zenith.

    That being said, if they released a 32gb-64gb version or simply put a MicroSD slot in the current version that would be what the device sorely needs for flagship status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruined View Post
    You do not need a gyro for a level app to work. MS has an API that emulates a gyro using the accelerometer and compass, though it is not as accurate as a true gyro.

    The reason it is stated that the HTC has no gyro is because:
    -HTC's specs for the device indicates a lack of a gyro
    -Windows Phone diagnostics run on the HTC 8X indicate a lack of a gyro
    -Therefore, these two things combined logically dictate a lack of gyro.

    Regarding the 32GB version, that would bring it more in the class of the Nokia 920, although it is worth noting again the gyro difference as well as the screen size difference.
    .2 inches makes hardly any difference. I agree they should've offered a 32GB model, but the sim free 8X is 100 cheaper than the sim free 920. So it makes up for it in my mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by socialcarpet View Post
    I agree but the specs are so close that if you're going to call the 920 a flagship then the 8X is too IMO. They are in the same class.
    I believe the items outlined in my original post put the 920 in a notably higher class. You may not value those things, and you may even prefer the 8X. But specwise that 920 is ahead in enough areas to separate the two in different classes - this is why HTC has the higher end Zenith coming out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruined View Post
    I believe the items outlined in my original post put the 920 in a notably higher class. You may not value those things, and you may even prefer the 8X. But specwise that 920 is ahead in enough areas to separate the two in different classes - this is why HTC has the higher end Zenith coming out.
    It's ahead in storage, camera (Low light only i may add) and Nokia apps. 8X beats it in sound, FFC (By a long way) and design and feel. 4.3" is perfect for a flagship. It feels great in the hands, unlike a 4.5" screen and upwards.
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    I believe the size it a personal opinion, I use a htc titan and still believe it's a tad small. So im not completely wow'd downgrading .2" lol
    I hope to see a 5" wp8 device
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    If you believe there is going to be a better HTC WP8 Device then your probably right but to say that they will bring it out early next year, Well I think you might be disappointed.

    Why would Microsoft bring out a update for WP to support a Quad-Core device straight after they have only just optimised it to use Dual-Core? I think you will be waiting until WP9.

    And if your idea of a flagship is having a bigger but less usable screen and a processor which will not give any noticeable performance and infact might drain the battery quicker then I would rather stick with my Non Flagship 8X.

    By the way HTC Flagship phones have a X in them like the One X and One X +.

    Your pretty much basing your whole "theory" around the fact that the 8X only has 16GB well the New Nexus 4 only has 16GB and the best selling iPhone is the 16GB model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smg-Uk View Post
    If you believe there is going to be a better HTC WP8 Device then your probably right but to say that they will bring it out early next year, Well I think you might be disappointed.
    HTC themselves have stated they have a WP8 model with a bigger screen coming out "soon." How soon is up for debate, of course.

    Why would Microsoft bring out a update for WP to support a Quad-Core device straight after they have only just optimised it to use Dual-Core? I think you will be waiting until WP9.
    Microsoft is a large software company with a lot of resources. They have great experience optimizing for multithreading. Their first update to WP7 happened within 6 months of the OS release, don't see why the same can't happen with WP8.

    And if your idea of a flagship is having a bigger but less usable screen and a processor which will not give any noticeable performance and infact might drain the battery quicker then I would rather stick with my Non Flagship 8X.
    Screen and processor are not the only benchmarks. As I stated before, there are a number of premium features that the 8X are missing or is underspec'd in. That is not to say its not a great phone - it sounds like it is quite balanced.

    By the way HTC Flagship phones have a X in them like the One X and One X +.
    Microsoft was heavily involved in the marketing of this phone. What sense would it make to market a $199 phone as a "midrange" model when the high end won't be out for 4-6 months after it is released, and also with Verizon then having no flagship at all at launch? A lot of people would wait for the "flagship," just like a lot are passing on the Nokia 822 and waiting for the 920. Plus, Verizon might experience poor launch sales (opposite of what MS wants) until a "flagship" is available.

    Your pretty much basing your whole "theory" around the fact that the 8X only has 16GB well the New Nexus 4 only has 16GB and the best selling iPhone is the 16GB model.
    16GB is really no longer enough for these phones if you are a power user. That is why Apple offers 32gb and 64gb versions of their phones, and there are android phones that have potentially up to 100gb in space.

    How do I know this? I have owned a 16GB HTC Trophy with Windows Phone 7 for 2 years. Just with my WP7 apps alone, I am approaching the max space constraints. How could I possibly believe that with WP8's increased power and new round of apps that I will not grossly go over the 16gb I have nearly filled in the next 2 years? It makes no sense.

    So yes, the 16GB on this phone is a big deal-killer for me on this phone on many others. It may be enough for TODAY, but looking ahead a year from now you may be wishing you waited for a 32gb+ model or one with a microsd slot. This is why I cannot envision this phone as a flagship, the storage space will cripple it over time as apps get larger and you get more of them.

    I am not trying to talk trash about this phone, but I do think we got a midrange model that was tweaked and propped up as a high end model. It is missing some of the signature high end features that even the WP7 phones of 2012 had (nevermind WP8) and does not have the storage space capabilities of a high end device.

    This phone may do most people wonders, and it has been my primary recommendation to those who need a phone now. But if you are into getting a lot of games/apps and maybe want to throw some media on too this phone simply is not going to cut it for the next 2 years. If you buy phones off contract frequently and don't mind selling this when the space becomes problematic or if you are a casual user, then that is a different story.

    If they took this same phone, upped the screen size to 4.5"-4.8", added a microsd slot and a gyro, I would buy it instantly even for $299. Hopefully we'll get more news out of HTC soon about their flagship "Zenith" model and its release date.
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    Phablets are stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantWade View Post
    Phablets are stupid.
    Perhaps, but remember with the 16:9 aspect ratio of this phone, the screen size in width is closer to a 4" WP7 device than a 4.3" WP7 device; this phone has black letterboxing at the top for some apps due to this. i.e. The WP7 Nokia 900 has a wider screen than this device.

    So if you liked the width of WP7 4.3" devices, you need to get at least a 4.5" 16:9 device.

    Note the Lumia 920 is the same aspect as the old WP7 phones so it is just as wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruined View Post
    I believe the items outlined in my original post put the 920 in a notably higher class. You may not value those things, and you may even prefer the 8X. But specwise that 920 is ahead in enough areas to separate the two in different classes - this is why HTC has the higher end Zenith coming out.
    I do value those things and I have a 920. I'm not sure about the Zenith. I just think of the 8X as a high-end phone because I consider the Lumia 510 and 610 to be the low end. The 8S and 820 are the mid-level and the 920 and 8X to be the high end.

    Actually, if you look at the world instead of just the U.S. the real low-end would be the Symbian Series 40 phones (Nokia Asha) and the low end Android devices like the Samsung Galaxy Ace etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbaldwin View Post
    It's ahead in storage, camera (Low light only i may add) and Nokia apps. 8X beats it in sound, FFC (By a long way) and design and feel. 4.3" is perfect for a flagship. It feels great in the hands, unlike a 4.5" screen and upwards.
    I'm confident that you have no idea whether or not the 8X "beats it in sound". The 8X has "Beats" sound processing and the Nokia has Dolby, which is actually a serious company, not a meaningless hip hop rapper brand label.

    FFC I have no idea. I don't use that feature. You may be right there.

    4.3" I'm with you on that. I prefer a smaller phone. That said, I'm surprised to say I don't mind the 4.5" and the 1280x768 is very nice when surfing webpages.
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    The Windows Phone 8X by HTC is a flagship device. But you are welcome to your opinion.
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    Whether or not it's a "flagship" is totally a matter of semantics and it's pretty much meaningless to argue about it. HTC says it's their flagship, it's their flagship. End of story. Refusing to allow it the label because it doesn't hit a few checkboxes on your personal list accomplishes nothing and helps no one.

    Frankly, the design is incredible. I checked one out at the AT&T store before I bought my girlfriend's 920, and it just felt great in hand. The size, shape, and the material were just perfect. Loved the color. Screen looked gorgeous. I still went with the Lumia 920 due to double the internal memory, wireless charging, super-sensitive screen, Nokia Drive, and no "Beats Audio" nonsense. Girlfriend went with the Lumia due to the increased memory and for Nokia Music (she's a big music streamer).

    If HTC doesn't give up and iterates with some things to challenge the Lumia, I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up for my next phone.
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