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    Apple devices are predicted to outsell windows devices soon, android is being put on desktops and laptops, and Windows 8 adoption hasn't been the greatest. But after Microsoft's Windows reorganization, do they have a shot at the market? We also know that WP's US marketshare doubled from 3 percent to 6 percent and in Europe the marketshare is even higher. But my question to you is, will WP and Windows RT go down as an Xbox- Like comeback that just took time, or another Zune- Like scenario?
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    So, how many of these threads are we going to have every month?

    Android on desktops and laptops is a niche market at best, just look at the numbers, they don't even count in most of the analysts' reporting. Apple products have actually slowed growth (especially the iPhone). And Windows Phone is the fastest growing.

    Windows 8 is not doing as bad as people claim. It nearly sold the same number of licenses in the first 6 months as Windows 7 and that's with a slowing PC market, and lack of motivation to upgrade (since Windows 7 is so good).

    I think where Microsoft is heading is awesome, its the best they've ever been. But it is true the competition is tough. Also some people just can't handle the drastic change Microsoft is pushing, but they'll get over it.
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    I say that Microsoft will probably give WP a solid 5 more years. If marketplace penetration stays the same as it is now, they'll tank it like they did Zune. (Note that I didn't mention Kin, because Kin had zero successes, and Zune got a good-sized base of users, many of whom can be found here on WPCentral )

    I don't understand the first part of your statement though... Apple devices already do outsell Windows devices. iPhone is clearly leading in the phone space (not when compared to Android though), I imagine they sell many more iPads than Surfaces, and manufacturers are terrible at marketing their Windows 8 tablets.

    I do think that Windows RT will go down in flames no matter what. I hardly know what it is, and it seems too restrictive. Put Windows 8 on everything and call it a day. Microsoft will be fine as long as it has Windows, Xbox, and Office though. Right now, they just have to keep on keeping on with Windows 8 and pushing forward with what they believe is the future of using a computer and an OS. It doesn't help that there is a lot of negative chatter and misinformation out there right now. My mom just last night told me that she heard/read that Windows 8 is like Vista so she doesn't want it.

    Windows 8.1 is a good next step though. And then someone needs to light up a fire under the WP team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystictrust View Post
    I say that Microsoft will probably give WP a solid 5 more years. If marketplace penetration stays the same as it is now, they'll tank it like they did Zune. (Note that I didn't mention Kin, because Kin had zero successes, and Zune got a good-sized base of users, many of whom can be found here on WPCentral )

    I don't understand the first part of your statement though... Apple devices already do outsell Windows devices. iPhone is clearly leading in the phone space (not when compared to Android though), I imagine they sell many more iPads than Surfaces, and manufacturers are terrible at marketing their Windows 8 tablets.

    I do think that Windows RT will go down in flames no matter what. I hardly know what it is, and it seems too restrictive. Put Windows 8 on everything and call it a day. Microsoft will be fine as long as it has Windows, Xbox, and Office though. Right now, they just have to keep on keeping on with Windows 8 and pushing forward with what they believe is the future of using a computer and an OS. Windows 8.1 is a start. And then someone needs to light up a fire under the WP team.
    Lolz. IOS devices outsell Windows Phones and tablets, but soon Apple computers and iOS devices will outsell Windows mobile (Tab and Phone) and computers from HP, Dell etc (Anything running a MS os.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nube_android View Post
    Lolz. IOS devices outsell Windows Phones and tablets, but soon Apple computers and iOS devices will outsell Windows mobile (Tab and Phone) and computers from HP, Dell etc (Anything running a MS os.)
    Ouch. Shows how mobile and on-the-go we all are these days. Like the home telephone, more and more people are going without a desktop PC. I think Microsoft putting such a drastically different, touch-friendly 2nd interface on Windows 8 (Metro/Modern) is a good thing - it's helped them transition a lot to interleaving everything into the mobile space. But I also think that if there have been more and more sales of Mac computers, that it is a direct result of people buying into the Apple ecosystem. That definitely started with the iPhone and subsequent products after that. As long as Microsoft doesn't just give up, there will just be a ton of competitive choices out there for quite some time.

    There will be generations born that have no idea Microsoft ever had any kind of legitimate hold on any aspect of technology. Fact. Well, speculation... technically... ;)
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    Dude I understand where you're at. But right now is not really the time to judge. Cause it's too early to ask that question. Ask probably at the end of the year. So I think they are coming back
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    can't lie...microsoft needs restructuring and have all it's dept on the same page
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    Choice is always good for the consumer at the end of the day.

    In my opinion they are making a comeback and I think they have a better grasp of the industry than their competitors. The whole DRM thing on the xbox is proof of this. They had the vision to try and push the industry where it needed to go but then realised that the consumers weren't ready for it. As with everything MS does the ideas are great but the implantation is always before its time. The fact that they are also opening up their services to their competitors also shows that they know they cannot be relevant sitting in a walled garden.

    With the restructure coming up that hopefully aligns the company into one big focused machine and with windows blue and xbox one on the horizon things are looking good.

    MS aren't as self cannibalistic as apple and aren't as fragmented as google, MS are one company moving towards one vision of 3 screens and the cloud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulagain View Post
    So, how many of these threads are we going to have every month?

    Android on desktops and laptops is a niche market at best, just look at the numbers, they don't even count in most of the analysts' reporting. Apple products have actually slowed growth (especially the iPhone). And Windows Phone is the fastest growing.

    Windows 8 is not doing as bad as people claim. It nearly sold the same number of licenses in the first 6 months as Windows 7 and that's with a slowing PC market, and lack of motivation to upgrade (since Windows 7 is so good).

    I think where Microsoft is heading is awesome, its the best they've ever been. But it is true the competition is tough. Also some people just can't handle the drastic change Microsoft is pushing, but they'll get over it.


    You just come aacross as an ***, just saying
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    Windows 8 adoption rate will most likely skyrocket after the next few years. The only other real option is that all the people who upgrade their crappy OEM PCs and laptops would go Apple, but I dont see that happening with the price tag Apple has, unless they bring out some budget computers by that.

    I'm not worried for MS.
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    Its very interesting. a year ago, everyone was screaming about Microsoft putting a tablet OS on a computer. Now the same people are getting excited about Android on a computer.

    Microsoft saw the changing dynamics a mile away, i personally don't understand why everyone didn't see it coming.

    90% of my computer use at home is on an iPad. Give me a Bluray burner in an ipad (or surface), and the ability to burn/rip disks, and i'll sell my laptop tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailUK View Post

    90% of my computer use at home is on an iPad. Give me a Bluray burner in an ipad (or surface), and the ability to burn/rip disks, and i'll sell my laptop tomorrow.
    Can you not get external usb blu ray burners?
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    USB and iPad don't go in the same sentence, harhar! :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlynnm350z View Post
    You just come aacross as an ***, just saying
    How so? Because I asked how many of these threads we will have?

    Its true, every other week someone posts nearly an identical thread. All these turn out is people speculating based on their personal interests. Not a single one of us can accurately judge the future of all of this. And the OP seems really bent on iOS taking over the world which simply isn't true.

    Just look at the news on iPhone sales, their growth is slowing. And the US isn't the only market. Windows Phone has been creeping up in many countries around the world. The iPhones price continues to stay high while other platforms provide killer devices for a lot less. One of the main reasons Android is winning is the cheap price for everyone involved including the end user, plus it has a huge range of availability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulagain View Post
    How so? Because I asked how many of these threads we will have?

    Its true, every other week someone posts nearly an identical thread. All these turn out is people speculating based on their personal interests. Not a single one of us can accurately judge the future of all of this. And the OP seems really bent on iOS taking over the world which simply isn't true.

    Just look at the news on iPhone sales, their growth is slowing. And the US isn't the only market. Windows Phone has been creeping up in many countries around the world. The iPhones price continues to stay high while other platforms provide killer devices for a lot less. One of the main reasons Android is winning is the cheap price for everyone involved including the end user, plus it has a huge range of availability.
    I'm definitely NOT bent on iOS taking over the world, trust me. IOS is on decline in some western markets, but in markets like China, they have only just begun. Windows Phone is also increasing sales worldwide, but will those increases be able to keep up with iOS and Android? I'm stating facts. If you can't handle them, then leave the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreldan View Post
    Windows 8 adoption rate will most likely skyrocket after the next few years. The only other real option is that all the people who upgrade their crappy OEM PCs and laptops would go Apple, but I dont see that happening with the price tag Apple has, unless they bring out some budget computers by that.

    I'm not worried for MS.
    I don't know. People are happy to pay the "Apple Tax". I'm one of them, own a MacBook Pro and the hardware, while not the best in specs, works like a royal charm.

    "Fortune cookie said: 'Outlook not so good'. I said: 'Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway'."
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    Quote Originally Posted by nube_android View Post
    Lolz. IOS devices outsell Windows Phones and tablets, but soon Apple computers and iOS devices will outsell Windows mobile (Tab and Phone) and computers from HP, Dell etc (Anything running a MS os.)
    But is the main bulk of that ios devices? Are the computers just piggy backing on that to be able to make that statement? If you take away ipod, iphone and ipad, just how many computers are they selling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ratcliffe View Post
    I don't know. People are happy to pay the "Apple Tax". I'm one of them, own a MacBook Pro and the hardware, while not the best in specs, works like a royal charm.
    Sorry, I will never buy a computer that I can't work on myself and have to take to a "genius" and his special tools to open it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stmav View Post
    Sorry, I will never buy a computer that I can't work on myself and have to take to a "genius" and his special tools to open it.
    That's really irksome apple calling certain store employees genius. If I took my surface RT into an apple store I would predict a sudden drop in IQ from supposed genius
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    Quote Originally Posted by nube_android View Post
    Lolz. IOS devices outsell Windows Phones and tablets, but soon Apple computers and iOS devices will outsell Windows mobile (Tab and Phone) and computers from HP, Dell etc (Anything running a MS os.)
    Sure.... apple will start to make budget friendly laptops for the masses? lol... and I thought linux fans were delusional sometimes
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    What irks me are the people that create threads and speculative posts about market share as if they just ended their shift as an expert business reporter on CNBC, when in fact they're most likely echoing another blog or thread somewhere else by a similar wishful thinker that thinks he/she is a business expert as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ratcliffe View Post
    I don't know. People are happy to pay the "Apple Tax". I'm one of them, own a MacBook Pro and the hardware, while not the best in specs, works like a royal charm.
    You are not anywhere near the usual "masses-target audience" referred to, though. Anyone who visits a tech website frequently is nowhere near average in any usage pattern when it comes to technology. Sure, Macbooks etc are pretty luxury and a lot of certain audiences have them, but I dont think we will see the usual "I shall buy this cheap 400€ bloatware laptop"-soccer mom audience going for 1000€ MacBooks anytime soon or a large basis. And at the same time I think that the tablet market will also cannibalize these sales even more in the future. Sadly people don't realize the greatness of Windows 8 tablets and still go for a gimped iPad :P

    Somebody is probably gonna bite into the above statement so I'll clarify. iPads are great pieces of tech, but what I'm saying is that the usual soccer mom-audience would suffice perfectly with a Windows 8 tablet-hybrid. While iPads are great, no proper USB connectivity (keyboard, mouse, printers, etc) and no flash support is probably something that still makes these people need another device.
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    Falling apart. I've been developing for windows since WinNT and there is a huge braindrain going on in the MS ecosystem. A lot of young and upcoming developers code for android, ios, web.. compared to years ago. Their 99$ dev registration fee to develop on windows was absolutely retarded, mentioned this a year and a half ago.. and guess what happened today? they changed it to 19$. idiots.. they keep bleeding developers, their ecosystem is dying frankly this is the first time I've ever considered that MS that the future for MS is going to be a very different one 5 years from now; and not for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseySal View Post
    What irks me are the people that create threads and speculative posts about market share as if they just ended their shift as an expert business reporter on CNBC, when in fact they're most likely echoing another blog or thread somewhere else by a similar wishful thinker that thinks he/she is a business expert as well.

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    I find myself frequenting these threads occasionally (which I suppose makes me sub-hypocritical, lol) but seldom do I attempt to highlight the recent stock numbers as if I work on Wall Street. It's easy to start repeating what the "experts" say, but when you're not one, things tend to get taken way out of context.
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    Speaking of Wall street numbers, if we use that as a barometer, Microsoft has risen almost 30% from Jan 2013 to June 26th (today). And MSFT is considered a safer-than-market-stock (beta is < 1). Clearly they're doing something right.
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