03-15-2013, 12:06 AM #1
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When 3 months ago, google said that they will be dropping EAS support fir new devices on January 31, it brought great many outrages among those who used Gmail in combination with EAS. Though many supported google decision to move away from Proprietary Standards to Open Standards. The alternative standards were of course the infamous IMAP in combination with CalDAV and CardDAV. But yesterday google announced dropping few of the less used google services. Amongst them was also the support for CalDAV. It was conveniently buried in the outrage against shutting down the Google Reader.
And can you guess the replacement for the CalDAV standard???.... Yes, you are right the Google proprietary Google Calendar API.
Those who supported open standards are left to wonder what the **** happened. My take on the situation is that Google has planned this all along aiming for the induction of the Google Calendar API in masses. The fact that dropping of CalDAV is buried in the announcements itself is a proof of that. The official page recommend the Google Calendar API for usage of Googke sync. Directly replacing EAS with their standard would have resulted in mass outrages against Google. But by splitting up the replacement process now they have effectively reduced the outrages. There are a lot controversial things going on at Google in the recent months. The Google I once loved seems no more. Share your thoughts on this. Let the debates begin.
03-15-2013, 12:52 AM #2
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Seriously? The crew that's been working on getting CalDAV ready for WP are probably throwing their hands up in the air right now. I think Microsoft's best bet at this point is just to highly publicize how to easily transfer google contacts and calendars over to outlook since after July 31st it won't be possible to sync anything but email with google accounts.
Something weird/different has been going on with Google lately. I've stopped giving out my Google Voice number and switched my primary voicemail to YouMail, in case they decide Google Voice is no longer profitable and shutter that as well
03-15-2013, 01:08 AM #3
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F Google. If you want your email from those dirty, no good, low down, evil snakes in the grass, use a browser. That works. Move your mobile business to Outlook.com. Its better, accepted and it works. Even more, encourage your friends to move away from any and all google services and don't continue to feed Schmidt and company. Its senseless to have these pity parties about it. They are NOT the only game in town.
03-15-2013, 01:11 AM #5
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Google is in bussiness only by selling adds and data. It's no use for them to access their services through other means so they can't serve adds and not be able to data mine your clicks and other data. This is also the reason they closed Google Reader. People were using it but not from their page and that drop in traffic meant lost bussiness for them. Couple this with loosing interest in reading news with rss and you know the reason. Google will act just as ruthless as any company if you undermine their data mining and add serving processes
03-15-2013, 01:25 AM #6
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- 03-15-2013, 01:37 AM #7
I ditched my Google account at the end of January 2013. Outlook works much better anyway, and I don't have to deal with deleted emails ending up in an "all mail" folder unless I tweak the settings. What I delete actually gets deleted.
My calendar syncs great using EAS.
I already solved the RSS feed issue, as I quit Google on my own, but I still get my feeds.
- 03-15-2013, 10:23 AM #9
Well, it sounds like Microsoft will be whitelisted. Still, I think that it's ridiculous that Google shuts down EAS for the web-standards CalDAV as a sign of how open standards are amazing, and now they're blocking access to it.
Google, however, confirmed this will not impact the agreement with Microsoft and that the Softies will still be able to implement CalDav support on Windows Phone.
- 03-15-2013, 11:06 AM #10
Oh, and re bleeding money: GOOG market cap is 269B and MSFT is 235.
03-15-2013, 12:15 PM #11
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- 03-15-2013, 12:25 PM #12
And the government likes it too. Law Enforcement could infer a lot from just having a call log, with Google they get the whole conversation. No hiding from that.
03-15-2013, 12:28 PM #13
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- 03-15-2013, 12:31 PM #14
inauguration parties (twice), and Lobbied more than any other tech company.
Obama also created a government position that didn't previously exist just so Eric Schmidt could fill it. You didn't think a government that has such a relationship with a company would actually punish it, did you? That laughable $7 million fine for wardriving is proof of that.
oh and there is this little quote:
“Some governments will consider it too risky to have thousands of anonymous,
untraceable, unverified citizens – “hidden people;” they’ll want to know who is
associated with each online account and will require verification at a state
level, in order to exert control over the virtual world.”
- Google Chairman Eric Schmidt
- 03-15-2013, 01:10 PM #17
03-15-2013, 03:47 PM #18
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I have no problems ditching Google but it's just not possible without lowering my own convenience.
- 03-15-2013, 03:52 PM #19
If those two things had happened years apart, it wouldn't be all that extraordinary, but the fact they happened so soon after the other is just crazy.
03-15-2013, 05:53 PM #22
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- 03-15-2013, 05:56 PM #23
- 03-15-2013, 06:00 PM #24
About CalDAV, I understand that now, developers using CalDAV Google Sync will have to apply for whitelisting; and Matt Cutts posted that it will be a fast, free, painless process. All the major players (iOS, BB, and yes, Microsoft) will be able to transparently use CalDAV without any problems. This handles like 99% of the use case. What's the problem?
- 03-15-2013, 06:04 PM #25
FSB can tap your Skype without court order | Barentsobserver . Basically states that MS has given Russian police free access to Skype calls.
Of course, I'm sure that if the NSA or whoever want access to your communications they'll get it, regardless of whether that's Google, MSFT, Verizon, whoever. I will however point out that Google is the only such company which publishes stats on such requests by the government, and they're also the first company that releases ANY data on requests by so-called National Security Letters. Other companies won't even admit that they receive and comply with these letters.
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