03-11-2013, 12:51 AM #1
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1. MS said the reason behind the Surface Tablet is to show the OEMS how to build a true iPad Competitor. becz OEMS were not making innovative hardware. BUT in case of WP it's not an issue both Nokia & HTC managed to create some beautiful hardware. The Only problem is the OS it self. MS needs to push the envelope forward and bring some cool & never before existed functions to the platform.
2. I said it before & I will say it again. If Surface phone comes to market then it will hv the pleasure of unique Hardware nothing more becz MS can't develop/bring unique apps to Surface phone only ... that will ruin their own ecosystem. OEMs can do it becz they need to differentiate themselves from each other.
3. If MS thinks to create a NEXUS for WP with Surface Brand then they can do it. I m sure they will sell it through their own retail & online stores to push updates faster without any career hassle but these stores are not present in every country. That said like Nexus4/7, Surface also can't penetrate global market where Nokia & Samsung rules.
- 03-11-2013, 01:57 AM #4
I see the point you're making, OP. While a Surface branded WP device would seem like a foolish decision, it doesn't mean that it's not likely to be successful.
For example, Google's own Nexus Android phone line has seen success and was created by the likes of HTC, Samsung, and LG. Perhaps Microsoft could incorporate that strategy with their Surface devices, with Nokia or HTC as the potential hardware suppliers for the line.
- 03-11-2013, 05:14 AM #12
If Ms created a WP device I would get it but I do think that they would handicap Nokia and ain't nobody got time for that.Phone History: OG IPhone, HTC G1, HTC Nexus One, HTC MyTouch 4G, HTC HD7, BlackBerry 9800, Blackberry 9700, LG Optimus V, HTC HD7, IPhone 4, HTC Radar 4G, Nokia Lumia 710 4G, Nokia Lumia 900, Nokia Lumia 920
Tablet History: Hp TouchPad (16GB Wifi only), Microsoft Surface RT.
Gaming Console History: Super Nintento, Nintendo 64, Sony Playstation, Sega Dreamcast, Microsoft XBOX, Sony Playstation 2, Sony Playstation 3, Microsoft XBOX 360.
03-11-2013, 06:10 AM #13
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I think Google is sucessful with its Nexus phones for a few reasosn
1) Cheaper SIM free than other manufacturers.
2) The big one vanilla android, nothing messed about with and updates as Google release them. If you have an S3 you have to wait for Google to release the new OS, then Samsung to fart about with it, then release it.
I think a Surface phone from MS would be pretty good, but what they should be doing is getting more behind nokia, as they are poised to flood the market at every level with a WP device, so MS I think should be pushing their OS more, though in the past traditionally MS do not really do marketing.
03-11-2013, 07:07 AM #15
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If MS were to make a Surface Phone, it would be to fulfill a market demand that is being ignored by OEMs. Unlike with PCs, NS doesn't have to create something to "set the bar" because Nokia is already doing that.
However, no WP OEM is making a truly business-focused handset. Something like the Dell Venue Pro, but for WP8.
WP market share isn't large enough for OEMs to target niche markets. Even if it's a large niche.Talk to me about Windows Phone, Windows 8, XBOX, art, animation, design, or anything! Be sure to follow me on Twitter and friend me on Facebook (say you're from here or I may not accept)
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03-11-2013, 07:52 AM #19
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Personally I dont think it will ever happen.
MS used the Surface RT and Pro as an exercise to prove to OEM's that they could do it better than any of them if they needed to and they succeeded. The sales numbers arent great but then they are kept constantly in low stock and as exclusives so not to harm other OEM's profits which would of course be a massive mistake.
When it comes to the Surface phone I dont think its any more than a threat. The possibility is there for MS to do it, every phone OEM knows that they could if they wanted to and it would sell. I think that if Nokia and HTC had only come out with one device each then maybe they would have forced the issue. But with the lumia range as it is now, the two HTC devices and the new one on the way bringing out a surface phone doesnt make sense. Its not going to significantly boost market share and will only detract from what nokia and HTC are already doing.
In an ideal world - If MS had come straight out at Surface launch with the philosophy of Apple then things might have been different. Launch the Surface RT and Surface phone and make them available everywhere, in huge numbers, cut out everyone and try to be dominant. Then launch the Pro around the holidays with the addition of a Surface all in one Desktop.
Unfortunately for a company that predominantly provides software, I think MS have done all they can at the moment and i dont see a surface phone coming along while Nokia and HTC are doing a fairly good job by themselves.
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03-11-2013, 08:16 AM #21
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For a niche product to succeed the market share has to be huge, or a small market share has to be willing to pay big bucks for the product. If Windows Phone was selling well do you think Samsung wouldn't be pumping out WP like they do Android, of course they would. I doubt there are a significant number of potential customers waiting for MS to come out with a surface phone. All a surface phone would do is eat into the already pitiful money HTC makes from WP, & to a lesser extent Nokia because they receive money from MS.
- 03-11-2013, 06:26 PM #25
I think the biggest reason that Microsoft might do this is that they don't want "Lumia" branding to overtake "Windows Phone" branding. (Which, in my mind, is also the same reason that the HTC 8X is actually named the HTC Windows Phone 8X, and why it's the supposed WP8 'Signature' device).
People are starting to associate Windows Phone more with Nokia than Microsoft, and that's just not a good thing for Microsoft. The de-emphasis of the Windows parts of it make things more difficult for all of Microsoft's other OEMs, not just Microsoft themselves. How is someone supposed to sell a Ativ-S or whatever, when all anybody knows is Lumia?
So, I wouldn't be shocked if Microsoft moves ahead with it. On the PC side, they had a different reason; OEMs were just putting out garbage. I don't see that as being the case with phones, but they still might feel the need to enter the market anyway.
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