- 01-01-2013, 12:05 PM #101
- 01-02-2013, 04:12 AM #102
01-02-2013, 05:39 AM #103
- 66 Posts
So Reader, search and YouTube all still key for me. Outlook is now my first choice for email though!
- 01-02-2013, 07:47 AM #104
The perfect response would have been "#droidrage, brought to you by the company that took malware mainstream". That would admit that malware on Android is a big issue when it isn't.
It's huge for the people that experience it, but it's negative campaigning by MS and won't have much affect on Android.
- 01-02-2013, 10:59 AM #105
01-02-2013, 09:57 PM #106
- 68 Posts
i will never be able to remove google from my life. I'd rather and it is much simpler to just stop using windows phone. Google search is so much better than bing, which is crap. I am unsure at how people think that bing is as good as Google, but for me, it is not even a worthwhile competitor.
- 01-02-2013, 10:15 PM #107
01-02-2013, 10:59 PM #108
- 88 Posts
Next time I quote you I will make sure I add a smiley face. I'm not going to add one now as it might just confuse you.
- 01-04-2013, 01:57 AM #111
- 01-04-2013, 05:55 PM #113
FYI - Curiosity got the best of me and I did a little comparison between bing search and google search, both on the local versions of the search tool (So I used google.ch and bing.ch as I live in Switzerland). I didn't change any options, trying to act like an average user.
The search terms were: "google maps windows phone" (inspired by maps.google not working on windows phone).
Outcome of bing.ch
- Two advertisments on top, one from an U.S. company about shipping spartphones, another one from a mapping company about downloading apps
- Old article regarding google maps on WP7 (Some articles from 2010, some not dated but oviously old) on page one
- The same two advertisments on the bottom of the page like on top
- Same picture on page 2
- And finally, on page 3, one article regarding the issue of maps.google not working on WP.
Outcome of google.ch
- No advertisments (Don't know why? I've heard that some people get lots of advertisments on google pages ... maybe something to do with countries law)
- A mix of older and very new articles regarding the same issue
"Aaargh", was my first thought. Then I searched about the possibility of filtering by date in bing. I first found nothing, then I found the following in a forum by a user who had the same issue:
The only work around I found was clicking on the news link after doing a search. Filter by date will appear. I think this limits the search to news and blogs sites though.
Hey that's at least a workaround even though I think I should be able to filter by date on the main search page. Also, I would like to be able to search german and english news on the news search , and my world would even be a little better.Happy WP user :P
- 01-04-2013, 06:18 PM #114
To understand Google, you have to understand a couple of things:
1) Google and its supporters love "tit for tat." They believe they can criticize and attack Microsoft, Apple, RIM or anyone else ceaselessly... but when MS fires back with DroidRage, that justifies the most unbelievable "retaliation."
2) They overestimate their importance to the overall web. Search engines, e-mail, calendars and contacts are all generic functionality that is easily replaced. Android is a laggy, malware-laden, buggy half-baked clone of iOS that is easily replaced. And so on.
3) They want to steal property from others, while asserting absolute property rights for themselves. When ISPs said they were considering putting a speed limiter on Google sites on their own private property -- their internet connections -- Google freaked out and screamed for "net neutrality." Yet they themselves are limiting access from OSes that they don't like to Google's own services and claiming "property rights." When Google wanted to use Microsoft, Apple, RIM and other IP, they refused to license it, but simply stole it -- and forced their OEMs who were promised a "free" OS to pay $30 to $50 per phone sold in IP licenses to Apple, Microsoft, RIM, Nokia, etc. Google claims that IP rights of other companies are "anti-competitive," yet they're asserting that APIs for web services designed to lock out competition are "private property." Google takes news articles and even books written by others and copies them -- free of payment -- to host on its own site so that it can profit from ad sales on other people's uncompensated work... yet it also talks about how "Microsoft shouldn't expect a free ride."
I think Google is going to learn that they're not as irreplaceable as they seem to think. They've certainly twisted themselves up in the pretzel logic that plagues the most arrogant of companies in tech. Even Microsoft, at the height of its power, wasn't this arrogant and tone-deaf.
- 01-04-2013, 06:25 PM #115
Just my opinion ... younger people might not remember internet without google, but it existed. When I first tried out the interent in the nineties, google didn't exist. You used other search tools (I remember searching with yahoo or alta vista, and there were search engines you could install on your computer). Therefore, there was a live before google. Conclusion: There is also a live after google. At the moment, google doesn't seem to remember that fact.
I just hope googles stunts don't hurt MS or the OEMs too much before google starts crumbling under its own weight ... me and you might not like google, their behaviour or their products, but they're sellling ****loads of android devices right now.Happy WP user :P
- 01-04-2013, 06:34 PM #117
Even Samsung is backing away from Google. They're shipping more WPs this year, for sure, but even more interestingly, they're putting most of their effort behind Tizen and making Tizen their best-selling OS. Google's pissing them off with the Motorola/Google "X Phone," and that's silly, considering that Samsung is the company that made Android a big seller, and Google left them hanging (even testifying against them in Apple's IP case).
This sort of arrogance adds up fast, and the outcome can be as unexpected and chaotic as anything you can imagine.
I don't know how Google will get its **** kicked, but it will definitely happen, and in a way that few of us could imagine, at a time that might be surprising.
- 01-04-2013, 06:45 PM #118
I tell people all the time just "Bing" it! 😎
I use Bing more then Google then Yahoo....in fact I use Yahoo more then Google as my search engine! I don't get all these sheep? People rather just fallow each other instead of trying something new and better! 😎ATIV S is LIFE
- 01-05-2013, 12:47 AM #120
Travisel, have you read this thread? For some of us, google search just deliver better results.
I don't know why I (and others) have to explain this over and over again and STILL are being asked why we don't use an alternative to google. Aaaargh!
P.S. I've just checked this http://www.microsoft.com/athome/orga...id=tngF-RM2RuW and saw what bing could be like .... if MS would act like a global company should and TRY THEIR BEST TO MAKE THOSE GREAT FEATURES available to the rest of the world.
Sheesh, I think I REALLY need to mail MS about this. I just hope that my effort is being appreciated.
Last edited by Luminatic; 01-05-2013 at 01:46 AM.Happy WP user :P
01-05-2013, 02:39 AM #123
- 4,939 Posts
Sadly, billions of other people are not in the USA, and Microsoft is still selling its phone OS there.
- 01-05-2013, 05:37 AM #125
Bing is competitive, and getting better by the day.
With Google deliberately crippling and blocking competing operating systems as of late, who is to say that Google search won't do the same thing (or isn't doing it already)?
That search for an article criticizing Google might show... nothing at all. That search for "crashing Android" might return results that point to fan sites that insist that Android doesn't crash, rather than to pages that could help someone with a crashed/bricked Android phone.
And so on.
Once Google crossed the rubicon of "close off, lock out and exclude," they called everything they do and present into question. If they're willing to block devices that are inconvenient or that they don't like, they're also more than likely willing to block or exclude search results that they also don't like.
Make sure you keep those links to Bing, Yandex, etc. handy.
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