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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Supes View Post
    I'm more curious as to what you're accusing Mr Gates of? Apart from being an attendee of some glorified freemasons. . .
    Eric Schmidt has attended more of those meetings than Bill Gates, per Wikipedia. List of Bilderberg participants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    ^^ LMAO. Nice find, lak. :D


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    We're you going to assume I thought he was any better...? Thanks for agreeing with me :)
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    Me? I just found it amusing Mr Google was more of a regular. As to the reality of these meetings? I don't buy into conspiracy theories.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    much more than just google. How about 10 or 20000 scanners, all archiving files without drm ? could regular libraries be trusted to do it and backup the digital files redundantly ? If microsoft was doing the same, would it become ok with or without drm ?
    Microsoft isn't doing it, and Microsoft won't do it, because they value IP.

    And if you're suggesting that I can "trust" Google more than, say, the MIT Media Lab... well... let's just say I'll need a five minute break to finish laughing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lak611 View Post
    Eric Schmidt has attended more of those meetings than Bill Gates, per Wikipedia. List of Bilderberg participants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And he's going to North Korea too!

    I think I've found a connection... I'd say more, but there's a black helicopter outside of my apartment and it looks like a ninja death squad is rappelling down from it. Gotta go!
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    #207  
    Omniusovermind, stop making references to conspiracy theories. Everyone on Internet forums knows that there's no corruption or dirty backroom dealing going on in government and big businesses. You're such a naive tinfoil hat wearing wackjob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Supes View Post
    AFAIK, no. Firefox is a pretty solid browser, IMO.



    I'm sorry, I don't follow. Bing is available on all browsers. . . unlike Gmaps! Touché!



    Comparing Google to an irresponsible child is actually quite fitting. Unfortunately it doesn't excuse Google. It's no different to claiming it's ok to let yourself into a strangers home, if they have failed to lock their door at night.

    I have to say, I'm quite bemused by your blind loyalty towards Google throughout this conversation. What is the source of this reasoning?
    It was a joke. I have no loyalty to google, or microsoft, or apple. I like some of their products. That's where it ends. The jealousy and irony of time passing and who is evil this week is hilarious, though.
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    Much ado about nothing anyway. Google tried to trim the fat by cutting down on all the mobile browser formats they needed to support and we're probably just hoping nobody would get upset over it. When they did, they said they're going to fix it. Companies do stuff like this all the time.
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       #210  
    Right! That's why they created code to detect the browser agent and, when it detected a competing browser, break the experience. Just housecleaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    Right! That's why they created code to detect the browser agent and, when it detected a competing browser, break the experience. Just housecleaning.
    Did Apple report problems with Safari? How about Firefox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    Did Apple report problems with Safari? How about Firefox?
    Nope. And nobody reported problems with IE 9 or IE 10 for Windows Phone either. Yet it was blocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    Nope. And nobody reported problems with IE 9 or IE 10 for Windows Phone either. Yet it was blocked.
    I mean after it was blocked on IE. No problems on Safari, Firefox etc? They aren't owned by Google either.
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    I still say if google wants to block services to WP, Microsoft should block all forms of google on all of their services. That means that customers with any version of windows no longer have access to gmail, google maps, youtube, or google.com.

    Lets see who cracks first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinalyx View Post
    I still say if google wants to block services to WP, Microsoft should block all forms of google on all of their services. That means that customers with any version of windows no longer have access to gmail, google maps, youtube, or google.com.

    Lets see who cracks first.

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    #216  
    Quote Originally Posted by omniusovermind View Post
    I mean after it was blocked on IE. No problems on Safari, Firefox etc? They aren't owned by Google either.
    They aren't owned by Microsoft either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinalyx View Post
    I still say if google wants to block services to WP, Microsoft should block all forms of google on all of their services. That means that customers with any version of windows no longer have access to gmail, google maps, youtube, or google.com.

    Lets see who cracks first.

    Shawn
    Mmm, that would be a very, very bad idea, on many different fronts. Not to mention impossible, illegal, and incredibly pointless to even consider.
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    I don't think Microsoft should block anybody or anything.

    They're a great IT citizen. They support their Outlook.com users and other users on every OS under the sun.

    Microsoft should point out that its open, cross-platform solutions are superior in usability and functionality to Google's closed, proprietary services -- and are available cross-platform.

    Microsoft is once again the "safe" choice -- if you have a Windows Phone and PC now, but decide to go, say, BlackBerry 10 and iMac, your Outlook, SkyDrive and everything else will work with those platforms as well. Google is the dangerous, unreliable choice -- if you have Android, but decide to go, say, Windows Phone and iPad, your Google Services will degrade (or may stop working entirely). Or they might work okay until Google decides to make another spontaneous change that breaks everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I don't think Microsoft should block anybody or anything.

    They're a great IT citizen. They support their Outlook.com users and other users on every OS under the sun.

    Microsoft should point out that its open, cross-platform solutions are superior in usability and functionality to Google's closed, proprietary services -- and are available cross-platform.

    Microsoft is once again the "safe" choice -- if you have a Windows Phone and PC now, but decide to go, say, BlackBerry 10 and iMac, your Outlook, SkyDrive and everything else will work with those platforms as well. Google is the dangerous, unreliable choice -- if you have Android, but decide to go, say, Windows Phone and iPad, your Google Services will degrade (or may stop working entirely). Or they might work okay until Google decides to make another spontaneous change that breaks everything.
    Good lord man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    They're a great IT citizen.
    You're willing to forget about what got Microsoft to where they are today? Most predatory IT citizen ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    Microsoft should point out that its open, cross-platform solutions are superior in usability and functionality to Google's closed, proprietary services -- and are available cross-platform.
    They'll quote you a price for open as well. Both in dollars and decreased functionality as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    Microsoft is once again the "safe" choice........ and iMac, your Outlook, SkyDrive and everything else will work with those platforms as well.
    Safe? You're ridiculous. And Outlook.com and contacts don't work well with Mac OS. And they don't work at all with Outlook on Mac. SkyDrive? Seems fully functional.
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    Outlook works great on the Mac, and Microsoft supports its customers across all OSes. The "predatory" stuff is meaningless rhetoric without any concrete basis whatsoever, used to justify Google's anticompetitive behavior as "retaliatory" when it is clearly unilateral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    There's a great client for Outlook.com that runs on every modern Mac, and extends the capabilities of the Mac greatly once it's installed. It's called "Microsoft Windows."
    the point of buying a mac is to use the Mac OS which I believe is the best desktop experience.

    I don't want to pay for windows to buy outlook 2010, then download outlook connector. I already own Microsoft office 2011 for the MAC. I hope that Microsoft lets hotmail work with the MAC, as it does on iPad and iPhone..
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    Outlook works great on the Mac, and Microsoft supports its customers across all OSes. The "predatory" stuff is meaningless rhetoric without any concrete basis whatsoever, used to justify Google's anticompetitive behavior as "retaliatory" when it is clearly unilateral.
    I never mentioned Google, so that likely means that I was calling out a bull**** statement and not trying to justify anything. I know that you think I "care" about Google, or that I'm "concerned" about what people say about them, but that's not it at all. You're full of it, and I enjoy telling you that.

    If you think that calling Microsoft predatory is rhetoric, you were never paying attention. Bing it. Or maybe Google it in case Microsoft is blocking it.

    And no, Outlook.com CANNOT be set up as an Exchange account in Outlook for Mac. Therefore, Microsoft is NOT supporting me like they do users of their own OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arrowrand View Post
    I never mentioned Google, so that likely means that I was calling out a bull**** statement and not trying to justify anything.
    I salute your innovation -- calling out a "BS statement" with one that is even MORE BS. ;)
    If you think that calling Microsoft predatory is rhetoric, you were never paying attention. Bing it. Or maybe Google it in case Microsoft is blocking it.
    I'm quite aware that I can get rhetoric from Binging it, too. Just like I can get extensive documentations of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, the imminent destruction of the Earth at the hands of Planet Nubiru, and the "war on Christmas" from FOX "News."

    And no, Outlook.com CANNOT be set up as an Exchange account in Outlook for Mac.
    It works great as a web service. I use it that way, even on my Windows 8 machines.

    Therefore, Microsoft is NOT supporting me like they do users of their own OS.
    Baloney. They're providing the Outlook.com UI to everyone, across browsers -- unlike, say, your friends at Google. Or the time that predatory music monopolist Apple issued multiple updates to iTunes designed to "make the Palm Pre integration break" -- something that Microsoft would never do (but that I'm sure you supported).

    You've got to get over your irrational hatred of Microsoft. It's the 21st century, and they're now the friendliest and most interoperable company out there. Most of the accusations of "monopoly" came not from Microsoft being "aggressive," but the competition (especially Apple products) sucking and costing more.

    And yeah, I know, because I was a Mac guy for about a decade before dumping the platform and moving to Windows. Consumers aren't stupid -- they choose the best value. It wasn't Apple, Sun, Netscape or the other IT losers of the 1990s who were providing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I'm quite aware that I can get rhetoric from Binging it, too. Just like I can get extensive documentations of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, the imminent destruction of the Earth at the hands of Planet Nubiru, and the "war on Christmas" from FOX "News."
    Seriously, you aren't hooked up right. I have no idea what that even says, but if it makes sense to you I think that's great.

    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976
    It works great as a web service. I use it that way, even on my Windows 8 machines.
    but your entire point has been about how open EAS is, how it's available on all devices. Now you're saying that I should be using the browser because Microsoft doesn't support their own EAS with their own webmail service with their own email app on a competing desktop OS. You are full of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976
    They're providing the Outlook.com UI to everyone, across browsers -- unlike, say, your friends at Google.
    I don't know what Google has to do with the fact that not even Microsoft supports their own EAS for their own webmail service in their own email app. You've been all about EAS and how evil Google is for dropping it, now you're doing an about face and saying that the browser is where it's at. Microsoft doesn't fully support EAS either.

    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976
    Or the time that predatory music monopolist Apple issued multiple updates to iTunes designed to "make the Palm Pre integration break" -- something that Microsoft would never do (but that I'm sure you supported).
    I had a Palm Pre at the time. I don't care what you're sure of, that has nothing to do with this topic.

    But Microsoft DID do something similar, only worse. Did you hear about what they did to their Plays for Sure partners? These weren't companies that were trying to ride Microsoft's coat tails, those companies were "partners". Until Plays for Sure got in the way of the Zune.

    So, instead of chopping off one disinterested company like Apple did to Palm, Microsoft chopped 6 or 8 companies that invested time and money into a Microsoft DRM scheme at the knees to clear the MP3 player deck for the ill-fated Zune. Seems pretty predatory to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976
    You've got to get over your irrational hatred of Microsoft.......
    I'd like to tell you that I read all of your ramblings here, but I didn't. If I had "irrational hatred" for Microsoft, I wouldn't own a Windows Phone right this very second.

    The rest of that stuff? Whatever.
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