09-25-2013, 10:11 AM #4
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and what are you going to do when you want to run Steam Directx based games? it says it will have a "stream" function = you will need windows for that.
or what about playing a EA game? they will never be obviously on steam so what you gonna do? or a mmorpg, you know... most mmorpg are windows only. with exceptions like WoW but of course you wont see WoW in a Linux, because you haven't seen any blizzard game ever in a OS other than Windows and OSX.
do you think people will give up their games? their cracked games? their emulators? last time I saw a video of a boy running MediaPortal (a windows only app) and it has a steam plugin, and yeah, plugged on a tv and you could access it easily in a HTPC software. he used a xbox controller for that... it ran good with no problems.
just look at the steam statistics... every OS go down but windows 8 and 8.1, so even Linux being free, their steam usage goes down? you can check it yourself. so its like... I don't see how this steam will be popular when you can always get a console with a huge game library like 360 or ps3, with a lot of games that will never come to PC.
and I don't know why people would want to change their windows OS, that they can plug it in a tv and have more games that they would actually have in a steam OS. because again, its not like every mmo, or EA games, or blizzard games will be on steam OS... and a lot more games.
so while I know people like Steam so much and hate Microsoft, well...the % of the people that would get interested in this OS would be minimal. its silly to think "oh steam OS, I will ditch Windows now" and then think Windows will be dead or this will be a threat for windows. when not even OSX with more marketshare could do anything to windows having nice games like diablo and WoW and stuff.
the majority of people I don't think will change their windows for steam even if they seem to love steam so much. its not like steam is the only way to get games in a pc, that's the thing. not everyone play steam only games. and I think that's the big plus for Windows.
09-27-2013, 02:59 PM #6
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Valve has always hated Windows, idk why considering most of its users are on it. Their constant hate towards the OS has really put a thorn in my side with them. I love steam and what it offers, but I've completely stopped playing Valve games(granted I've always had issues with them to begin with outside of HL and Portal), and stopped buying games from Steam. Most of my games the last few months have been Humble Bundle games.
- 10-08-2013, 08:52 AM #8
Honestly I don't see what the big deal is. The only reason Gabe hates MS or specifically why he hates Win8 is because once the desktop is gone (and it IS going away) he'll have to create an "app". That app will have to be in the windows store in order to be installed on the millions (billions?) of windows PCs. All apps in the store have to give a certain percentage of sales to MS. Gabe doesn't want to share and likes being in control, so he's creating his own walled garden called "SteamOS", where he can continue to be king and doesn't have to share.
If anything he's competing with the consoles than with Windows. Consoles are essentially closed environments that do one thing - play games (ok yeah, movies too but smart tv's do that...). If Gabe wants to succeed he needs to start talking to publishers to get them to make linux ports...the same way MS and Sony do. Problem is some of the bigger publishers already have their own stores and with the new consoles being so close to PCs why make a separate build of MW3 for linux when you could easily port your xbone or ps4 version to PC AND sell it on your OWN store?
I think if Gabe wants this to really work AND go big, he needs to somehow get EXISTING steam games to work on SteamOs. Which would you buy, a steambox that can play all of your steam library or just a handful of indie titles?
tl;dr Gabe doesn't want to pay MS, so he's building his own app store that could compete with consoles.
10-08-2013, 09:09 AM #9
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- 10-08-2013, 10:02 AM #10
Getting paid (Windows)
Specifically this little snippet.
The Windows Store fee is applied to all app sales collected by the Windows Store, including in-app purchases.
Like it or not Desktop is going away. Not today or tomorrow or even in a year or so, but eventually. It probably won't be totally gone, but sorta the same way dos is "gone". You can still open a command prompt, but it's mostly included for backward compatibilty. Best apps on desktop are all geared to get others away from MS (chrome, itunes, etc) and mostly everything people HATE about windows comes from desktop (virus, malware). And if you're MS and (reasonably) smart and want to get rid of the "winblows" attitude of every iphone toting hipster you get rid of the thing that causes the most pain. The desktop.
Either way, I still don't think steam OS is a threat to windows, he makes too much money from those users.
10-08-2013, 10:37 AM #11
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You do realize Steam OS will not run DirectX games as the Steam Client on PC does today being its on Linux. Last I checked back in about 2010 people were trying to use Wine to accomplish this and some hacked up D3D11 api's which ran like ****. So if thats the case you can cut that games collection down a tad.
The Biggest titles will still be on Xbox and PlayStation in the living room and on Windows on the Desktop.
10-08-2013, 02:24 PM #12
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Doing what you describe will immediately kill their primary revenue stream, the enterprise. Most of them would not be willing to accept such a locked-down model. Also, have you given thought to actually trying to use Excel, for example, with a Metro UI? The very thought gives me horrors.
10-09-2013, 12:10 PM #13
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Gabe is still upset about the fact that Microsoft sells games through the Windows Store as he wants that segment of the market all to himself. I love Valve and Gabe's work but his anti-Windows stance lately does sound childish. He should get off his **** and get to work on the next Half Life, Left 4 Dead, and Portal games.
- 10-10-2013, 11:40 AM #14
Metro Office is coming...Download OneNote (free) from the windows store today. Just because it's metro, doesn't mean that it's touch only.
- 10-10-2013, 12:10 PM #15
Windows allows user to do one thing that Linux is still lagging behind in. Install new hardware as and when they like cos drivers are being written for windows. Currently I still haven't found a proper graphics driver for my Ubuntu as we speak. :/ If steam was to enable gamers to do this they gonna have to write drivers or entice manufacturers to write drivers for hardware to work with their OS. Its interesting to see what they have in mind. Considering most of you guys also mention rather than fight Microsoft on the desktop ground, they are planning to play on the console ground. As long as I get to play what I pay for im fine :)
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