- 01-15-2013, 01:59 PM #27
Oh, and to use it on a mobile device you also need to have one that is infested with Google's invasive spyware.
Google's current business model is based on the realization that people don't really mind spyware as long as it comes with services. 96% of their revenue is in jeopardy if that ever changes.
- 01-16-2013, 01:52 PM #28
what i read a week or two ago was that a Google representative came out and said that they have no plans to make apps for WindowsPhone and Windows 8 because of it's low market share, so I side with the OP, god damn double standard... not sure how BB10 will do, but I sure as **** don't see it making any significant impact initially, may be end of the year it might?
01-16-2013, 06:20 PM #29
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face it though, Windows Phone will never take off without Google support. Google is the most used internet company if you talk about everything that they offer. Google is trying to kill Windows Phone and I am believing that it's working and Microsoft can't do anything to stop it.
- 01-16-2013, 06:46 PM #31
The funny thing is, I'm willing to pay for Skype Premium. I don't mind. If people will only use Google+ Hangouts to video call me, I just won't video call them period. I have zero interest in Google+ as a whole. I use Facebook for my main social network, and Twitter as a secondary.Windows Phone Central Moderator "Fortune cookie said: 'Outlook not so good'. I said: 'Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway'." - Apparently you can have an iPhone transplant...
- 01-16-2013, 07:40 PM #34
Google: bwuuuuh ? Blinks
Microsoft: give us free apps for our mobile platform !
Microsoft: not fair !!!
RIM: heeeeeeeeeey guuuuuys, I'm baaaaaaack !
Microsoft: there's only one turd and its all for me !!!
RIM: Spell check ftw, I just stole third AND your lunch.
Coming to a theatre near you in summer 2013.
- 01-16-2013, 08:00 PM #36
You think they paid for Obama's inauguration with user goodwill?
I would call some Chinese bloggers in as witnesses but they are unfortunately deceased after Google turned their identities over to their government.
Not wanting to believe in Google's business model and government ties doesn't make them nonexistant.
- 01-16-2013, 10:18 PM #38
- 01-16-2013, 10:29 PM #39
I will quote 3 parts to shorten the read.
"Google generated about $21 billion in revenue last year. The vast majority of that revenue, well over 95%, comes from advertising via its search engine and its AdSense program, which places ads on millions of websites" (Parr, n.d.).
"Google believes relevant advertising can be as useful as search results or other forms of content" (Google Business Overview, n.d.). To this end, Google has developed the AdSense program to enhance the user's experience to a website. While utilising the technologies behind Google Search, AdSense uses keywords to precisely target results so advertising content is delivered based on page content. Google believes "advertisers, publishers, and information seekers all profit as a result (Google Business Overview, n.d.).
In combination with AdSense Google developed the "AdWords [program] for advertisers who want to reach a qualified audience as efficiently as possible" (Google Business Overview, n.d.).
Customers have needs, wants and nice-to-haves and traditional business models fulfil these for their customers. Google offers its customers needs, wants, and nice-to-haves for free (Pollard, n.d.). In return, whether knowingly or not, users create data whilst using Google services and products which creates information that is listed in the Google Search Engine; advertisement is then tailored based on the content delivered.
Key phrase "whether knowingly or not, users create data whilst using Google services and products"
That's just a nice way of saying they are tracking and compiling data based on your use of there services and products. All of them, nothing is free, you use Google services in exchange for your right to privacy.
- 01-16-2013, 11:07 PM #41
Go to advertising.Microsoft.com and read all about it.
Yes, Google knows lots and lots of stuff about me. Not everything, but lots. The more I use my Lumia and Bing with it, the more Microsoft knows about me for targeting their ads.
Microsoft is a software company that also has their own fledgling ad network. An ad network that can't target ads to users is worthless.
- 01-16-2013, 11:20 PM #42
Google discontinued all of their apps for BlackBerry while I still had it. Gmail, Gmail for Apps, Google Voice and Google Sync were all put to death before I moved to Android.
01-17-2013, 12:24 AM #43
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Some people mentioned that ms should implement google talk support for their phone themselves.
That'll not happen, first of all just look and see at what google does all the time now. I'm pretty sure that as soon as app would hit market Google would "do some required software upgrade" that would **** windows phone over because "something's not good enough in the phone".
Another problem is that unlike RIM Microsoft does have its own searching engine which they constantly developing and using competition's solution would be clear admittance of defeat.
Also, who the **** uses googletalk anyway?
Also2, third party devs can always make googletalk app, so one will be released one day or another
Also3, seeing how MS is implementing Skype on w8 it might be a good thing they won't be doing gTalk lol
Also4, since when **** is a swear word that it needs filtered out? :D
- 01-17-2013, 06:04 AM #45
"Would you like to help Microsoft improve its services"
Have you ever seen this before? It us always fallowed by a "Yes or No" if you haven't seen this then you don't use Microsoft services. This is where you make the choice to allow that program to use your data. Here is the difference between Microsoft selling software and Google selling advertising. Each service on Microsoft collects its own data to be used to improve that application only. Your data is not shared across the services its not needed. Microsoft touch keyboard program collects your data to help you type better. Bing collects your data to make your Bing searches more accurate. Every bit of data Google collects is shared across all the Google services so that they can advertise to you more directly. They do this by monitoring every word you type in your email. They collect and monitor every word you type on Google+. Google never gives you any way to opt out. I pay $15 a year to have the adds removed from my Outlook account and I chose "NO" that means no one is monitoring my emails at all. Lets see you do that on Gmail.
We have this same conversation over and over with the same people. Google and Microsoft have 2 different business models. Google sells adds to do that they tracks everything you do on all their services and will not give you the option. Microsoft will track you using your data to improve services if you allow it but Microsoft sells software. You can subscribe to almost every service Microsoft offers. You can also opt out of data collection. HERE is the big one Microsoft services don't share data. <That's a period right there.
Its time to stop the bate and switch or maybe you need to do a little research so you know what you are talking about.
What Microsoft does is not "the exact same thing" if you don't know that you better do some research for your own good.
Last edited by Dave Blake; 01-17-2013 at 07:13 AM.
- 01-17-2013, 09:31 AM #46
Regardless how many buckets your data is stored in, you are one single uniquely identified ad target on every service on the Internet that shows MS ads. Deny it, but advertising.Microsoft.com lays it all out for you.
You've got a problem with the fact that Google keeps one profile on users while MS breaks that up across services. I get that, but it's a personal choice issue for me. I choose to do things the way that I do.
But I'll give you an example of how this containerized approach doesn't work for me. Enable search history on your desktop in Bing. Now, enable search history in Bing on your phone. Do a search on your phone. Look for that history on your desktop.
It's not there, and as someone that uses 7 total devices on a daily basis, that's not helpful for MS to segregate data that way.
And it's true, MS does say that the contents of your mail will not be used to show ads against in Outlook, but they don't say that the contents of your email won't be used to show you ads anywhere. In legal agreements, words are always chosen very carefully by the lawyers that write them.
I don't really see how A is better or more wholesome than B.
I don't have a problem with it. I don't.
- 01-17-2013, 11:33 AM #47
So far, Microsoft hasn't claimed copyright of work you produce with their software like Google does.
Microsoft hasn't hacked their way around user privacy settings like Google does.
Microsoft actually honors do not track from their own products where setting do not track in Chrome only applies to non-google sites and services.
Microsoft isn't trying to get invasive hardware and software installed in ISP NOCs so they can track activity regardless of the client.
Today, Given Google or Microsoft, Microsoft is actually the lesser evil.
01-17-2013, 11:41 AM #48
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- 01-17-2013, 11:52 AM #49
what Dave is saying is personal info not shared across the entities for selling, not that you shouldn't be able to to sync stuff with other services, heck PeopleHub came right down to my tablet when I got it (had the L800 first) and I didn't have to do anything extra, so that's syncing for sure.... oh and if u have multiple win8 computer and all use the same account to log in, wall paper and some of the settings get synced across too (with the option to turn them off of course) so they are making changes in that front for sure
- 01-17-2013, 12:02 PM #50
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