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    Quote Originally Posted by flip4life4751 View Post
    This saddens me to hear.. That's just so much close-minded bullsh*t. Guess who was one of the first smartphones to the market? Would you have guessed it that RIM was? I KNOW, CRAZY RIGHT?! Apple, Android, and your beloved WP all copied off of RIM and every other smartphone on the market.
    Huh. And here I thought it was the IBM Simon.
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    Clearly you have never seen IOS/Android. It looks the same...
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    My husband has a Galaxy and it's definitely extremely different, I mean ALL different. I didn't see a Lumia (or any WP8) for real, it's true, no one I know has it, but I'd never go for it : Windows 8 just doesn't appeal to me. This should not be a personal offense, everyone has its tastes.

    Nevertheless, I just don't get people fighting with each other over the $$$ interests of big companies. C'mon, guys, they are doing better than we do and they let us fight for them :)

    I used to have phones from 6 brands in my life, I only go for what fits me more, that's all. So far I was OK with the BB and I guess I'd go for BB10 (cause it looks smooth and nice and globally offers me what I want), but if one day I'll find something better for me, I'll go elsewhere (maybe finally by skipping the BB10, cause sick and tired that iPhones and Galaxies do have the Ukrainian input I want to use and RIM finds it too difficult to change 5 characters on the tactile input; I don't know yet).

    I mean...users always win when there's a real competition (=several strong market actors) and I don't get what the users win to fight with each other to help other guys to win more bucks....
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    #179  
    BTW I am not fighting with anyone. Just discussing / stating my opinion.

    Hopefully I'm never rude to anyone 😊
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    I guess BB10 is a competitive product but only for BB boys. Still, nothing has changed in BB. The same B&W phones but with larger screen. Its not harmful to colourful world of windows.
    You're so wrong :) I'm currently WP7.5 user and believe me I'm looking forward to get my BB10 full touch or even keyboard smartphone. And let me list you few things on WP I'm totally fed up of:
    1. Home screen carousel. At first it looked "wow", something new. After 1 month it was already, "****, can they just stop flipping", now it's just "oh man, when can I have a normal smartphone?"
    2. List of apps (second screen). It's not more convenient than grid of icons, exactly the opposite, especially because most icons of the same color and I have to scroll very slow just to find the app I need
    3. Turning on/off WiFi. Are you kidding me that I have to go to settings, find WiFi settings just to turn it on/off. Exactly like iOS. I hope they made an icon for that operation in WP8 finally
    4. Switching between apps. Here I'm sure WP8 better than WP7.5. I hope at least it doesn't disconnect Skype when you switch to another app.
    5. E-mail accounts. Did they finally introduced some sort of Hub or central place for all e-mail accounts? Because in WP7.5 I have to check each account separately.
    6. Battery life. Well this one was expected to be bad with all those flipping things on home screen. But 1 day with almost no usage of the phone that's a bit too much..


    I'm not comparing WP8 (I played with it but not long enough to see any big differences with WP 7.5) with BB10 (played with Dev Alpha device and felt in love just because of simplicity, clean interface, very intuitive gestures like on my MeeGo device). But trying to tell you that BB10 can be interesting to users of any platform (two my colleagues will switch to BB10 from Android)
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    #181  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    I've been keeping track on that thread with this bbscoope guy, he looks fake...
    On CrackBerry forum indeed it looks someone have impersonated him. At least on twitter he told so
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    I could harm WP8 if MS continues to play 'Maginot Line' and does not fix all its international XBOX and Windows Phone stores. Also if MS dos not improve XBOX music. As always. If you want to get somewhere you have to be moving.
    *** Forza Windows Phone 8 ***
    Many answers here in my battery tips & tricks post: http://forums.wpcentral.com/htc-8x/2...ps-htc-8x.html
    Please help me with my WP8 Sync App idea called "WP8 ClonePhone": http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-...lonephone.html
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    #183  
    Quote Originally Posted by dogfish54 View Post
    I have an iphone5 with IOS6 - it's not the same.
    It has buggy maps, right? Just kidding, my wife also has iPhone
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    #184  
    Blackberry's demise began with the BB Storm. That was one buggy phone.

    There was war in the CB forums over this.

    Followed by delays and buggy OS's, people got fed up. lack of apps and features... People left. outages didn't help. The features that were very good didn't make people stay.

    Microsoft should take heed.

    RIM appears to have learnt a lesson. This is a good thing.
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    #185  
    Quote Originally Posted by bb10_fan View Post
    On CrackBerry forum indeed it looks someone have impersonated him. At least on twitter he told so
    You don't know who you can trust :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    2) RIM took its time to "get everything right." They've ramped up hardware production, they have every major carrier in the US and worldwide supporting their launch (unlike WP) and there are unlikely to be device shortages, regardless of demand. They also spent time to fix and tweak every element of the software experience.
    This doesn't mean success. Remember the Xbox 360's RROD? They lived through that by getting to market faster and offering compensation (free warranty of 3 years for the issue), so lack of perfection didn't stop Microsoft from somewhat taking over the gaming market in two console generations. Having a perfect product doesn't matter if no one can buy it, which is the case for BB10 today. Windows Phone suffered from the same issue--they were getting destroyed in the spring and summer because there were no WP8 devices to buy and Mango was left somewhat twisting in the wind.
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    #187  
    Quote Originally Posted by BellaRed View Post
    Please don't mind me saying so but the Nokia N9 .... A device that has been in the market for some time now, is a gesture based OS with NO physical or capacitive buttons. So that innovation has already been done.

    Obviously this was in the works for a while before it launched. 😊

    The OS on the N9 is the parent of active frames one could say. The calendar on both is identical.

    It is sometimes worthwhile to look beyond the phone you currently use.

    BB10 will bring innovations elsewhere I am sure as there is a lot that probably hasn't been disclosed yet.

    I am not saying that BB10 isn't going to be good, rather I don't want them getting credit for innovations that are not theirs.
    Well, of course you know that the MeeGo Harmattan interface was designed not by Nokia itself, right? And that RIM bought the company behind that interface ;) Also I have MeeGo Harmattan device as my second phone now, I felt that BB10 few steps forward. On MeeGo I don't have unified messaging inbox. I definitely have notification center, but it's not the same. Active Frames are different completely. At least I've never seen the app changing it's behavior when minimized (probably developers never thought of this feature). The Peek, Flow also do not present on MeeGo. I love my MeeGo device, but it has almost no apps to be used as primary phone (thanks to one i..t who killed the system before it was released). So I'm forced to use WP device now until BB 10 will be released.
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    #188  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    You don't know who you can trust :D
    Trust no one :D
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    #189  
    Quote Originally Posted by bb10_fan View Post
    Trust no one :D
    "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." :D
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    Yes. Nokia more or less just supplied the phone. The OS was Meego Harmattan as you say and as I have stated. This has now been open sourced I believe as as Jolla Mobile has used it also.

    And yes, RIM have improved it by adding to it and keeping all the features BB users love like notifications etc. The N9's os is 15 months or so old so one would expect anyone to make changes to it after this length of time.

    I am glad though that someone has acknowledged the likeness. 😊 Thank you.
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    #191  
    MeeGo was first and BB probably copied it. Nothing from Android, nothing from IOS, neither WP or even WebOS, RIM ripped off MeeGo
    That being said, BB10 looks a lot better and you won't find a multitasking juggernaut as it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BellaRed View Post
    Yes. Nokia more or less just supplied the phone. The OS was Meego Harmattan as you say and as I have stated. This has now been open sourced I believe as as Jolla Mobile has used it also.

    And yes, RIM have improved it by adding to it and keeping all the features BB users love like notifications etc. The N9's os is 15 months or so old so one would expect anyone to make changes to it after this length of time.

    I am glad though that someone has acknowledged the likeness. �� Thank you.
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    #192  
    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I am comparing smartphones to smartphones. Asha and other non WP/Symbian devices are feature phones, not smartphones.

    Right now, RIM is far stronger, financially, than Nokia.
    But Nokia has Microsoft at their side. RIM has no one. That more than negates the financial strength RIM had now, which is going to evaporate anyway.
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    So what you think is that Microsoft will give money to Nokia just to rescue them? right...
    Quote Originally Posted by socialcarpet View Post
    But Nokia has Microsoft at their side. RIM has no one. That more than negates the financial strength RIM had now, which is going to evaporate anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morpho4444 View Post
    So what you think is that Microsoft will give money to Nokia just to rescue them? right...
    I think the point is that it will cost Nokia less to promote windows phone because Microsoft is running a parallel campaign. They are also pushing Windows 8, which if successful, will really help Windows Phone 8 in my opinion.

    Nokia also has to only deal with the cost of hardware development.

    What's interesting is that Nokia has several businesses. Until recently they were all dragging, but the Nokia Siemens networks and Mobile phones businesses are doing well, generating cash. They also have a pretty healthy revenue stream from patents. RIM is a little more vulnerable because their current sources of revenue are at risk and could go bad very quickly if the decline continues. In saying that, I don't think Nokia could handle another OS change, at best if Windows phone continues Mediocre sales, they could pull an HTC and make both Android and Windows phone.
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    #195  
    Quote Originally Posted by morpho4444 View Post
    MeeGo was first and BB probably copied it. Nothing from Android, nothing from IOS, neither WP or even WebOS, RIM ripped off MeeGo
    That being said, BB10 looks a lot better and you won't find a multitasking juggernaut as it.
    You've obviously never held a PlayBook in your hands if you say RIM didn't take anything from webOS. The swipes and gestures are blatant webOS rip-offs. There is no better OS for multi-tasking than webOS (RIP).
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    After watching the linked YouTube video in thread I remembered what I initially don't like about BB10. I can imagine that it could pose a threat. I mean there are some good ideas. As I've said before, the Peek is a really good idea. Yet, when I think about the demos I can't help but think that BB10 feels like WP but with more chrome around it. This isn't to say that WP is perfect though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blehblehbleh View Post
    After watching the linked YouTube video in thread I remembered what I initially don't like about BB10. I can imagine that it could pose a threat. I mean there are some good ideas. As I've said before, the Peek is a really good idea. Yet, when I think about the demos I can't help but think that BB10 feels like WP but with more chrome around it. This isn't to say that WP is perfect though.
    Where exactly do you see anything that reminds you WP? I agree BB 10 took several good ideas from WebOS and MeeGo (interface and gestures), but as I already said before interface was developed by company that was bought by RIM. I agree that layout of icons similar to Android/iOS. But I don't anything from WP in BB10
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatclue_98 View Post
    You've obviously never held a PlayBook in your hands if you say RIM didn't take anything from webOS. The swipes and gestures are blatant webOS rip-offs. There is no better OS for multi-tasking than webOS (RIP).
    Unfortunately I've never used WebOS. But I wouldn't make such a strong statement as "There is no better OS for multi-tasking than webOS". QNX vs Linux (is WebOS build on top of Linux?), I bet QNX will be the winner here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morpho4444 View Post
    So what you think is that Microsoft will give money to Nokia just to rescue them? right...
    I'm pretty sure this is already the case due to the exlusivity deal of Nokia using WP only. MS doesnt give them money "just to rescue them", but they do give Nokia a quite a handsome amount regularly to stick to WP exclusively.

    Naturally much of it is just hearsay and I don't have any official documents backing it up (not like many did), but I dont think the above is really a secret either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coreldan View Post
    I'm pretty sure this is already the case due to the exlusivity deal of Nokia using WP only. MS doesnt give them money "just to rescue them", but they do give Nokia a quite a handsome amount regularly to stick to WP exclusively. Naturally much of it is just hearsay and I don't have any official documents backing it up (not like many did), but I dont think the above is really a secret either.
    Actually it's official and if I remember correctly Nokia receives something like 500m per quarter.
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