- 12-26-2012, 11:49 PM #101
- 12-27-2012, 12:03 AM #103
- 12-27-2012, 12:26 AM #107
The 8520 was cheap even when new. The 9700 was the higher priced BlackBerry device sold during the same time period.
The 3GS was much more expensive than the 8520 when both were current devices.
- 12-27-2012, 01:24 AM #108
Can't wait to get my BB10....I would never own an android anything because it is GOOGLE (genes make you unique, GOOGLE makes you common) but would consider WP8 before iOS. So I guess WP8 gets second place with me and that ain't so bad :-D
- 12-27-2012, 02:15 AM #109
- 12-27-2012, 02:19 AM #110
- 12-27-2012, 02:25 AM #111
You know nothing.
RIM already has Skype, Instagram, Netflix and the major players on board and their apps will available ON launch day of BB10 .... Jan 31st, 2013.
BB10 is going to have the apps WP8 doesn't have and WP7 didn't have on release day, i.e. Instagram, etc.
- 12-27-2012, 02:30 AM #112
- 12-27-2012, 02:36 AM #113
So where's your Instagram client for WP7 and WP8? Oh wait, it's never coming.
- 12-27-2012, 03:30 AM #114
- 12-27-2012, 04:02 AM #115
- 12-27-2012, 04:06 AM #116
Anyway, I think it's a huge mistake to engage any BB vs WP battle. I truly wish both to succeed and to reduce the iOs and Android shares, that's the only way for them to survive actually.
It's only about the market and about the economy : if there is any monopoly or even a duopoly, one or two BIG actors will always destroy a challenger (even such a huge corp as Microsoft). C'mon, if Apple had a huge and quick success with his iPhone once, that's only because at the time the phone market was fragmented, there were lots of players and people had the habit of changing their phones and the phone brands. Things will not be the same now. Suppose RIM dies quickly, the WP will be let alone with the iPhones and the Androids (=cheaper iPhones), do you really think that the WP could survive in this case? Really? It would only be a matter of time. Same thing for RIM if the WP fails badly.
The best thing for RIM, Microsoft, the competitive market and all the users would be if the market became more balanced with say 4 or 5 big players. The market of 3 is a really bad configuration (2 will always plot against the third), 4 or 5 is much better, stable and dynamic at the same time.
P.S. Hence, I think Microsoft not letting Skype on the BB is not the best thing to do. Not the best thing for Microsoft, I believe it.
- 12-27-2012, 04:27 AM #117
IMO unless BB is pricing their phones like their competitors or cheaper like the Lumias, they won't be able to gain new subscribers. They charged like 250 on contract for the last Bold models. Are you serious? No way people will shell out that for a BLACKBERRY in these times
- 12-27-2012, 04:29 AM #118
- 12-27-2012, 05:28 AM #119
12-27-2012, 06:55 AM #121
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Like some have mentioned, the problem I see with Blackberry is how unknown it is in Europe. I don't know what's the situation in Asia, though.
Finland is a bad example due to Nokia, but I've never in my life seen a blackberry, I've also travelled quite a bit around Europe. There is no retailers for Blackberry in Finland at all, there is zero demand around here. That said, everyone started from nothing, so it's not out of the question that BB would succesfully invade Europe too if BB10 is a success.
However, I'm wonder who beats the competition in making a modern, new touchscreen smartphone with full QWERTY. I think Nokia's E7 was well recieved in the business world (at least around here, no surprise though), I'm expecting something like that cos at least in Finland there is really no new phone that does that, if you want a phone like that you find yourself looking at 2010 models or so. WP7 used to have some full QWERTY phones, so it should be doable on WP8 too. This could also be THE thing to make BB10 lucrative in some markets, cos currently nobody else offers it.
- 12-27-2012, 07:30 AM #123I don't see that happening. First of, BlackBerry its only popular in the states. I've never ever seen a blackberry in Europe so if your world is not bigger than the US then sure it might kill Windows phone. But I hate to be the one to bring you the news, but the US is NOT the world and the US is just a tiny player in the phone market."Like some have mentioned, the problem I see with Blackberry is how unknown it is in Europe. I don't know what's the situation in Asia, though.
People, what are you smoking? What European country are you living? BB known in Europe is much more than WP. There are huge numbers of iOS and Android devices, the rest is mostly BB. I travel everyday and see hundreds of people in train and bus (all age categories) and I can see that there is almost equal number of iPhones and Samsung/HTC Android devices. There are less, but still considerable number of BB devices. Most of BB users are teenagers, but eventually I see business people with 2 devices, BB for work and writing e-mails/sms and iPhone to play games and listen music. Stop saying BB is unknown in Europe because I feel like The Netherlands, Italy and Germany have been excluded from Europe for some reason :)
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